unclethrill
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SGOTM 09 - Fifth Element
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greatbeyond
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I won't be looking at the save until tomorrow morning but I have a few questions and comments....
I did factor in the bonuses for Copper and Aluminum, but I didn't catch that the few cities named didn't have an Industrial Park. I'll examine that possibility to see if the delay actually cuts production time.
I MM all the cities to produce maximum hammers for those building SS parts, and MM for wealth and commerce in those respective cities.
I did not factor adding Mining Inc to any cities that do not yet have it. We would need to build an Exec in a city we don't need for production.
I didn't think of the fact that spreading Sushi allows us to run more specialists. I'll check into that with the same concern above.
Right now it is showing research time as 1 turn for each of the techs listed.
There are still 4 turns left in this golden age. If I start another Golden age before this one is over, does it add turns to the end of this age or do you lose turns? Should I wait until the last turn of this age or the first turn after? Hopefully someone knows the mechanics of this.
I need to check our Great Leaders and see what we need. I thought we already had a G Sci. If so we need three different Great Leaders. If so I'll switch the Scientists in Pindus to something different. We should have another GL pop a couple of turns later.
I was also going to check to see if you can pay to hurry space ship parts.
I hope someone can come up with a way to cut another turn off my build times. I tried to get them all done in less than 6 turns but have two that are still at 7 turns. When I started out, It was 9 to 10 turns.
I'll also look at what improvement changes can be made to improve production.
I'll check back in about 12 hrs for input. I may very well play in about 16 turns, if there isn't any input. I'm not in a hurry so I could go a turn at a time.
Any ideas for getting the AI to trade some more metals to us? Each one gives us another free hammer, but right now the AI won't trade them.
I did factor in the bonuses for Copper and Aluminum, but I didn't catch that the few cities named didn't have an Industrial Park. I'll examine that possibility to see if the delay actually cuts production time.
I MM all the cities to produce maximum hammers for those building SS parts, and MM for wealth and commerce in those respective cities.
I did not factor adding Mining Inc to any cities that do not yet have it. We would need to build an Exec in a city we don't need for production.
I didn't think of the fact that spreading Sushi allows us to run more specialists. I'll check into that with the same concern above.
Right now it is showing research time as 1 turn for each of the techs listed.
There are still 4 turns left in this golden age. If I start another Golden age before this one is over, does it add turns to the end of this age or do you lose turns? Should I wait until the last turn of this age or the first turn after? Hopefully someone knows the mechanics of this.
I need to check our Great Leaders and see what we need. I thought we already had a G Sci. If so we need three different Great Leaders. If so I'll switch the Scientists in Pindus to something different. We should have another GL pop a couple of turns later.
I was also going to check to see if you can pay to hurry space ship parts.
I hope someone can come up with a way to cut another turn off my build times. I tried to get them all done in less than 6 turns but have two that are still at 7 turns. When I started out, It was 9 to 10 turns.
I'll also look at what improvement changes can be made to improve production.
I'll check back in about 12 hrs for input. I may very well play in about 16 turns, if there isn't any input. I'm not in a hurry so I could go a turn at a time.
Any ideas for getting the AI to trade some more metals to us? Each one gives us another free hammer, but right now the AI won't trade them.
Done with another hard day at work.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Mesix the spammer beats again.
Industrial parks do not add to production, only the ability to run engineers. To do so, we must have enough population.
Nippur will build the Genetics and the Satellites parts (forgot the name). How many turns to a (hopefully) GS pop? If we got satellites before then we can't pop nothing useful.
Engines can go in Blubz and maybe LP or Babylon (2 engines shorten the trip by 2 turns, tested). Much will depend by overflow. In Babylon there's room for some chop, i think.
Industrial parks do not add to production, only the ability to run engineers. To do so, we must have enough population.
Nippur will build the Genetics and the Satellites parts (forgot the name). How many turns to a (hopefully) GS pop? If we got satellites before then we can't pop nothing useful.
Engines can go in Blubz and maybe LP or Babylon (2 engines shorten the trip by 2 turns, tested). Much will depend by overflow. In Babylon there's room for some chop, i think.
greatbeyond
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I forgot about using forest chops to speed the SS parts. I'll look into that possibilty.
Another question on the mechanics of starting the next golden age. How do you designate the three GPs? Do You have to shift-click to select all three or do they have to all be in the same city?
Unless someone can come up with a different build plan, I'll be using the one I posted earlier. I'm going to double check my results one more time.
Another question on the mechanics of starting the next golden age. How do you designate the three GPs? Do You have to shift-click to select all three or do they have to all be in the same city?
Unless someone can come up with a different build plan, I'll be using the one I posted earlier. I'm going to double check my results one more time.
greatbeyond
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I forgot about using forest chops to speed the SS parts. I'll look into that possibilty.
Another question on the mechanics of starting the next golden age. How do you designate the three GPs? Do You have to shift-click to select all three or do they have to all be in the same city?
Unless someone can come up with a different build plan, I'll be using the one I posted earlier. I'm going to double check my results one more time.
Another question on the mechanics of starting the next golden age. How do you designate the three GPs? Do You have to shift-click to select all three or do they have to all be in the same city?
Unless someone can come up with a different build plan, I'll be using the one I posted earlier. I'm going to double check my results one more time.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
The GAge following another one adds the total GAge turns to the previous one.
If we have more than 3 GPersons you need to stack the 3 you wanna use for the GAge to avoid to use the one you wanna keep.
If we have only 3 GPersons, no problem, just click the GAge on one of them.
Be care, it's easy to lose one turn for few hammers.
If we have more than 3 GPersons you need to stack the 3 you wanna use for the GAge to avoid to use the one you wanna keep.
If we have only 3 GPersons, no problem, just click the GAge on one of them.
Be care, it's easy to lose one turn for few hammers.
An industrial park gives a free engineer. It also allows more engineers to work. All of the SS building cities are capable of maxing the engineers after an industrial park is built. That is 6 raw 
which is 15-21 modified per turn depending on what is being built. It is well worth the 1 turn of build time in each city, especially since the SS will not be delayed by this tactic.
The launch date will be defined by the build time of the final component after research is complete on turn 187. If we can finish it in 1 turn (only possible in Nippur with proper overflow, not any other city) then we will launch on turn 188. If it takes 2 turns to build then we will launch on turn 189. The other parts will have to be managed so that they are also finished on the same turn in different cities.
which is 15-21 modified per turn depending on what is being built. It is well worth the 1 turn of build time in each city, especially since the SS will not be delayed by this tactic.The launch date will be defined by the build time of the final component after research is complete on turn 187. If we can finish it in 1 turn (only possible in Nippur with proper overflow, not any other city) then we will launch on turn 188. If it takes 2 turns to build then we will launch on turn 189. The other parts will have to be managed so that they are also finished on the same turn in different cities.
It will take careful planning to launch on turn 188. With minimal effort we should get turn 189.
unclethrill
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I don't see your sig yet Mesix
Nope didn't work.
Nope didn't work.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
I think the Ecology part is so cheap that any city can build it in time. Our powerhouses are Nippur and Blubz, but i think they will be busy by then.
A GS will pop a part of Bio, sure. But if you got Satellites, he will pop Laser. Sure like hell.
The bet can be: if we are sure enough to pop a GS, let's research Eco instead of Satellites. If not, follow the path and build an useless academy.
unclethrill
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I was just trying to help a brother out with his signature
Genetics - Stasis Chamber 804
Ecology - Last tech required Life Suppport - 670
Provided Genetics is researched first, we have a few cities that can build the Stasis Chamber in 2 turns.
Ecology is coming last (about turn 187) and only Nippur can finish the Life Support in 1 turn, and then only with proper overflow.
Sweetacshon
In the foetal position
Your hammer yammering is making my head hurt. 
It is all sounding good, tho. I certainly don't think I can add anything until after my head stops bleeding. Go turn 188!!
It is all sounding good, tho. I certainly don't think I can add anything until after my head stops bleeding. Go turn 188!!greatbeyond
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I'll check again in about 10 hours for any other comments and play either then or 8 hours from then.
BLubmuz
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Life support doubles production with copper.Genetics - Stasis Chamber 804
Ecology - Last tech required Life Suppport - 670
Provided Genetics is researched first, we have a few cities that can build the Stasis Chamber in 2 turns.
Ecology is coming last (about turn 187) and only Nippur can finish the Life Support in 1 turn, and then only with proper overflow.
culdeus
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I guess there's no way to open any of the prior saves in the updated BTS version? I can't believe someone hasn't found a way to do this without a dual install.
greatbeyond
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My turnset is in. No real surprises. Tech pace wasn't enough to get each tech in 1 turn as I had hoped. So the build que I spent so much time planning, had to be re figured. It looks like Turn 188 will be the launch. I put in a few Spies as cheap builds ( for max hammer overflow) in a couple of cities to give us an option where to build the last two parts. The next player should double check everything though.
I have positioned some Workers to be able to chop Forests for a boost in production, but they have not started. Right now Blubmuz has the only part that will take 4 turns. Everything else will be done in 3 turns. If we want to launch on T188 we'll have to speed Blubmuz up somehow. All the builds should be rechecked. Perhaps they can be rearranged to a city where it will only take 3 turns.
The Save:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm9/Fifth_Element_SG009_AD1800_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
The Turn Log:
I have positioned some Workers to be able to chop Forests for a boost in production, but they have not started. Right now Blubmuz has the only part that will take 4 turns. Everything else will be done in 3 turns. If we want to launch on T188 we'll have to speed Blubmuz up somehow. All the builds should be rechecked. Perhaps they can be rearranged to a city where it will only take 3 turns.
The Save:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm9/Fifth_Element_SG009_AD1800_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
The Turn Log:
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