r_rolo1
King of myself
the tech outlay is sort of less clear for a while and the queues also. The worker management needs some work though.....
SGOTM 09 - Smurkz
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Xcalibrator
Ultraviolet Catastrophe
I'd rather skip farms because they don't provide much other than food, and we're still growing pretty fast--would rather work more preserves.
I also agree we should go for trade fodder. Maybe Aesth/Lit is worth a second look. We don't need Parthenon and its puny 50% GP rate bonus--not for that many hammers--and the AIs rarely research Aesth yet like to trade for it. [Edit: Forgot that Parthenon is already obsoleted by SciMeth--are the AIs smart enough to care?] It's also req'd for Lit, which lets us build the Nat'l Epic and get that 100% GP bonus. Since we're likely to run quite a few specialists in our capital (thinking ahead to Nat'l Park, and the fact that there doesn't seem much good land for a GP farm [edit: elsewhere]), that would be useful to us. Currency doesn't offer much benefit at this stage, with so few cities and basically no foreign trade.
Paper/Edu can't be traded away without giving a bunch of other stuff first, such as Civil Service, and the Oxford doesn't hold the usual attraction because it's going to be quite awhile before we have 6 (?) universities. And we may well decide to go with Nat'l Epic and Nat'l Park in our capital, so Oxford is even less attractive, at least until we get some stone.
The Calendar/MoM idea is really growing on me, but we need Sailing as a prereq, and it would be more efficient to trade for Sailing--wouldn't it? Then again, maybe we DO want Sailing ASAP so we can go for Calendar and get started on the MoM. Wouldn't Sailing also open up coastal trade routes for us, even though we're inland, because we have a river connection to the sea? Yeah, I think I'd go for Sailing after Wheel/Philo. And I still like my (somewhat vague) worker plan--finish the next preserve, build roads before leaving a forest tile, build roads to the SEEE fort site, build the fort if required, otherwise build roads generally west toward future cities.
On builds, most people seem to like the airship-->settler idea, maybe with a unit build when we get Arch/BW/IW if we're nervous. Can Rolo play at least another 5 turns? How are you feeling Renata? Gonna be able to play tomorrow or Thurs? If not, maybe Rolo should keep going until the airship comes in.
I also agree we should go for trade fodder. Maybe Aesth/Lit is worth a second look. We don't need Parthenon and its puny 50% GP rate bonus--not for that many hammers--and the AIs rarely research Aesth yet like to trade for it. [Edit: Forgot that Parthenon is already obsoleted by SciMeth--are the AIs smart enough to care?] It's also req'd for Lit, which lets us build the Nat'l Epic and get that 100% GP bonus. Since we're likely to run quite a few specialists in our capital (thinking ahead to Nat'l Park, and the fact that there doesn't seem much good land for a GP farm [edit: elsewhere]), that would be useful to us. Currency doesn't offer much benefit at this stage, with so few cities and basically no foreign trade.
Paper/Edu can't be traded away without giving a bunch of other stuff first, such as Civil Service, and the Oxford doesn't hold the usual attraction because it's going to be quite awhile before we have 6 (?) universities. And we may well decide to go with Nat'l Epic and Nat'l Park in our capital, so Oxford is even less attractive, at least until we get some stone.
The Calendar/MoM idea is really growing on me, but we need Sailing as a prereq, and it would be more efficient to trade for Sailing--wouldn't it? Then again, maybe we DO want Sailing ASAP so we can go for Calendar and get started on the MoM. Wouldn't Sailing also open up coastal trade routes for us, even though we're inland, because we have a river connection to the sea? Yeah, I think I'd go for Sailing after Wheel/Philo. And I still like my (somewhat vague) worker plan--finish the next preserve, build roads before leaving a forest tile, build roads to the SEEE fort site, build the fort if required, otherwise build roads generally west toward future cities.
On builds, most people seem to like the airship-->settler idea, maybe with a unit build when we get Arch/BW/IW if we're nervous. Can Rolo play at least another 5 turns? How are you feeling Renata? Gonna be able to play tomorrow or Thurs? If not, maybe Rolo should keep going until the airship comes in.
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r_rolo1
King of myself
I can also play today if needed.
About the workers: I guess the main discussion was about roading vs making a fort for the airship.... both the proposals have their bonuses. Roads are probably more useful in the long run, but we will need those forts sooner or later, I guess.
About the workers: I guess the main discussion was about roading vs making a fort for the airship.... both the proposals have their bonuses. Roads are probably more useful in the long run, but we will need those forts sooner or later, I guess.
r_rolo1
King of myself
I was talking with renata on IM and decided to play today to the end of the revolts. it will be far easier to plan things after that.
I'm on IM now, if anyone wants to join in
I'm on IM now, if anyone wants to join in
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Roads please.
r_rolo1
King of myself
As i said, I played until the end of the double revolt. We traded Med for mining with hammy and lost a warrior to a C1 archer.
Some pics of the last turn ( units unmoved )
Log, as per SGOTM site
IM chat with niklas and renata ( some chit chat and some discussion about what to do next , as usual ):
Some pics of the last turn ( units unmoved )
Spoiler :
Log, as per SGOTM site
Spoiler :
IM chat with niklas and renata ( some chit chat and some discussion about what to do next , as usual ):
Spoiler :
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Do I read the log right? The barbarian galley has promotions? You realize if I had hovered my mouse over it, I would have seen those. I just didn't even consider it. Doubt it would have been possible to save the city even if I had seen the promotions.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Like I said in IM chat, barb galley has C1, medic I, Drill I and Navigation I.
And there was no way you could had saved the city, even knowing that....
And there was no way you could had saved the city, even knowing that....
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
How did the barbarians get sailing so quickly?
That's something I've wondered too.
Given that we managed to trade for Mining, and can do BW in half a turn, and the benefits of having metals certainly warrant a 1-turn delay on trade baits, I would be fine with going BW next. So afai concerned rolo can do one more turn to show us where the metal is before handing off.
Given that we managed to trade for Mining, and can do BW in half a turn, and the benefits of having metals certainly warrant a 1-turn delay on trade baits, I would be fine with going BW next. So afai concerned rolo can do one more turn to show us where the metal is before handing off.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Our dear mapmaker told that he didn't gave any techs in the WB file to the barb faction.... and that is surely true, because there is no slot in there for barbs ( one of the various issues that the devs overlooked in the WB savefile format ). This means that the barbs really teched sailing 
I think that we'll see a city with a LOT of settled specs a little to the SE of our starting spot
I think that we'll see a city with a LOT of settled specs a little to the SE of our starting spot
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Let's capture that city?
Agree with Niklas.
And I'm not sure we actually want that city! Depends on the timing and whether we can determine which national wonders it has. Because if I understand right if we take a national wonder in battle before we've built it ourselves, we keep it -- and then can't build it somewhere better.
And I'm not sure we actually want that city! Depends on the timing and whether we can determine which national wonders it has. Because if I understand right if we take a national wonder in battle before we've built it ourselves, we keep it -- and then can't build it somewhere better.
Xcalibrator
Ultraviolet Catastrophe
I would be delighted to have Rolo play another turn and get BW!
So, how good is everyone at identifying buildings from city closeups? When our zeppelin does its recon near the barb city, we need a nice screenshot to study. Perhaps someone with flying camera skills could even get shots from different sides?
So, how good is everyone at identifying buildings from city closeups? When our zeppelin does its recon near the barb city, we need a nice screenshot to study. Perhaps someone with flying camera skills could even get shots from different sides?
Backwards Logic
Emperor Palpatine
Yea, finish off BW, then we'll play, er, I mean plan some more 
ChrisShaffer
Board gamer
Whoever flies that zeppelin better be good at taking screenshots while it is flying, to get all the details.
r_rolo1
King of myself
Ok, will play the next turn later in the day ( most of you are sleeping now anyway, so there is no big deal anyway... )
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