Dhoomstriker
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War? For what is it good?
Do we plan to detour to Construction for Catapults, Metal Casting + Machinery for Macemen, and forget about the race (amongst SGOTM teams) to the United Nations?
With 31% of the world being Buddhist, we can secure Saladin's votes just by spamming more Cities and snagging his religion.
In fact, I would suggest that we instead aim to keep pumping out Settlers. If we can get even ONE City on his continent, not only will that City be closer to the Buddhist Holy City and thus have a high chance of spreading, it will be next to a Religious-oriented AI who has a Holy City = Saladin will go out of his way to spread his religion to our City there with a Buddhist Missionary.
If we are getting 4 of his Espionage points, it means that he likes his neighbour(s) and is Pleased or higher with him/her/them. As Mitchum said, there's no way that 31% of the world's population can be attributed to just 1 AI, so we know that there is at least one other Civ with Buddhist Cities, and since we control all of the other religions, the chances are very high that this other Civ is running Buddhism as their State Religion and thus already is buddy-buddy with Saladin.
Why piss off multiple AIs that we are counting on for their votes?
What good are their Cities if the population from those Cities will be used to vote us to victory if we DO NOT declare war and thus DO NOT anger said AIs?
If Saladin chooses to declare a Holy War on us, that'll be his fault, not ours, so we won't suffer negative Diplo modifiers.
If we focus on continuing to spam Settlers, though, especially ones sent on Galleys, we'll likely get Buddhism before he gets it in his mind to declare war on us, meaning that he'll start liking us enough to avoid a war and we'll just get his population-based votes "for free."
Besides, what you'd REALLY want in a war against Longbows (Protective ones from Saladin, at that!) are Trebuchets. Engineering is an expensive tech and is far off of our main tech path.
I agree that fighting Saladin's Camel Archers is tantamount to suicide. But fighting his Protective Longbowmen falls into the same suicidal category. It's better to City-spam and court him as an ally.
We got a lucky break that Buddhism was founded on a continent reachable before Astronomy. Let's try to take advantage of that fact and secure Buddhism for ourselves.
How about a Short PPP?
Can you maybe just get a PPP up for the first two turns (the end of UT's turn and your next turn) so that we can advance the game a bit? It'll be a LOT easier to generate an appropriate test game for tech-trading if you play the turns one-at-a-time like that for a bit.
Spoiler :
With what army? Axeman won't be useful at this stage of the game. Zara, a relatively backwards AI is already researching Monarchy. It'll only be a turnset or two before we see Longbowmen everywhere.So Sal is the buddhist founder and he's our neighbour?
Let's just plan a war before he gets to Camel archers.
Do we plan to detour to Construction for Catapults, Metal Casting + Machinery for Macemen, and forget about the race (amongst SGOTM teams) to the United Nations?
With 31% of the world being Buddhist, we can secure Saladin's votes just by spamming more Cities and snagging his religion.
In fact, I would suggest that we instead aim to keep pumping out Settlers. If we can get even ONE City on his continent, not only will that City be closer to the Buddhist Holy City and thus have a high chance of spreading, it will be next to a Religious-oriented AI who has a Holy City = Saladin will go out of his way to spread his religion to our City there with a Buddhist Missionary.
If we are getting 4 of his Espionage points, it means that he likes his neighbour(s) and is Pleased or higher with him/her/them. As Mitchum said, there's no way that 31% of the world's population can be attributed to just 1 AI, so we know that there is at least one other Civ with Buddhist Cities, and since we control all of the other religions, the chances are very high that this other Civ is running Buddhism as their State Religion and thus already is buddy-buddy with Saladin.
Why piss off multiple AIs that we are counting on for their votes?
What good are their Cities if the population from those Cities will be used to vote us to victory if we DO NOT declare war and thus DO NOT anger said AIs?
If Saladin chooses to declare a Holy War on us, that'll be his fault, not ours, so we won't suffer negative Diplo modifiers.
If we focus on continuing to spam Settlers, though, especially ones sent on Galleys, we'll likely get Buddhism before he gets it in his mind to declare war on us, meaning that he'll start liking us enough to avoid a war and we'll just get his population-based votes "for free."
Besides, what you'd REALLY want in a war against Longbows (Protective ones from Saladin, at that!) are Trebuchets. Engineering is an expensive tech and is far off of our main tech path.
I agree that fighting Saladin's Camel Archers is tantamount to suicide. But fighting his Protective Longbowmen falls into the same suicidal category. It's better to City-spam and court him as an ally.
We got a lucky break that Buddhism was founded on a continent reachable before Astronomy. Let's try to take advantage of that fact and secure Buddhism for ourselves.
How about a Short PPP?
Spoiler :
Is that still going to happen? It's getting to be pretty late at night in your part of the world right now...Tomorrow i'll look at the save and post a PPP.
Can you maybe just get a PPP up for the first two turns (the end of UT's turn and your next turn) so that we can advance the game a bit? It'll be a LOT easier to generate an appropriate test game for tech-trading if you play the turns one-at-a-time like that for a bit.