SGOTM 11 - One Short Straw

[Mutineer]

To late comment to change direction now and I do believe that if we fail oracle we will loose more. We are committed to this course of actions now.
In my latest test I got Oracle 1725BC. To be try, I do not see the problem.

CS capital will build granary in just couple turns.

Played to 2800BC, absolutely nothing happened.

There no any other special near silver.

Spoiler :

Warrior almost rich fog-basting position after fighting wolf and dodging a bear.

In My tests if I do not put warrior there now they were tend to die trying to get to site.

Spoiler :

I stopped to check on my test Can I use returning from south warrior or I need to keep it in capital for a rime, I forgot. I will resume playing in a few hours.

Anyone want me to download save or we want to hide how we do it?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Anyone want me to download save or we want to hide how we do it?

Sounds good so far. I don't care if other teams see our graphs. I also don't care if you just link it to the thread, although team members downloading would have to remember not to play any turns, but that's true no matter where they download it from.

I'd be curious to see your progress, though...

It might be better to upload it to the server. If it's all in one jump to 1725bc, they might have a good guess why. Or maybe not. ANyway it'll all be in one day...

 

[shyuhe]

I don't have civ access so I can't say much without screenshots.
We should be able to spawnbust both city sites to the west by putting the warrior on the pigs. At least it'll prevent city spawning on the southern side of the FP river and prevent the fish site from getting taken (the more important one).

 

[LowtherCastle]

A Question. Hope it is right place to put it.

It is my turn to play save.
I download save, played a few turn, stop to discuss before continue to play.

If I upload save, do I need to download it again in order to continue or I can continue from my local save?

I don't think it matters, but if you upload and then download it again, you don't have to wait for an official answer...

We should be able to spawnbust both city sites to the west by putting the warrior on the pigs. At least it'll prevent city spawning on the southern side of the FP river and prevent the fish site from getting taken (the more important one).

Spawnbusting barb cities, if I'm not mistaken, is not like fogbusting barb units. Our unit only spawnbusts cities on tiles it actually defogs. In contrast, our unit stops barb units from spawning in a 2-square rectangle, whehter he fogbusts those tiles or not.

We need two units to spawnbust both cities and even then, it's no guarantee. A unit on the pigs actually doesn't prevent barbs from grabbing the southern fish or any fp tile, both of which would screw us up.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Spawnbusting barb cities, if I'm not mistaken, is not like fogbusting barb units. Our unit only spawnbusts cities on tiles it actually defogs. In contrast, our unit stops barb units from spawning in a 2-square rectangle, whehter he fogbusts those tiles or not.

We need two units to spawnbust both cities and even then, it's no guarantee. A unit on the pigs actually doesn't prevent barbs from grabbing the southern fish or 1S of the rice, both of which screws us completely.

Yes... if we put a guy on the pig, we can find ourself with a barb city grabbing the southern fish... Maybe staying on the cow is the way to go.

Anyway, as other said, I am OK with Mut going to CS ( just get some sleep here and there )

 

[mdy]

Could we fogbust both sites if we ceased exploration? We might want to fortify the warriors on forests, otherwise there would be a big chance of losing them once the barbs start spawning.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Could we fogbust both sites if we ceased exploration? We might want to fortify the warriors on forests, otherwise there would be a big chance of losing them once the barbs start spawning.

I don't think we're in a hurry to fogbust both sites. In his test saves, the barb cities are spawning just before or after we complete the Oracle. More important is defending our cities. I was just suggesting to Mutineer that when he gets an available axe, he might send it over to the fps.

Like someone said before, if it spawns there, it will be not be on a hill. Our axe will have 3 turns to attack before his odds go below 50%. Once the barb archers have been fortified 4 turns = +20% fornification bonus, then the odds drop from 56% to 30%... If an axe wins, then the +20 CRI will give him odds of 64% against a fully fortified archer. Then with CRII, he'll have 73% against the third archer. No too good odds of doing it with one axe, but there's a chance.

If we don't attack it before they're fully fortified, then we need a stack of 6-7 axes for 3 barb archers. Or build a barracks...

 

[Mutineer]

Could we fogbust both sites if we ceased exploration? We might want to fortify the warriors on forests, otherwise there would be a big chance of losing them once the barbs start spawning.

No we have only one spare warrior with out paying maintenance cost.
I like to keep 2 warriors in second city in case some random archer wander alone, before axe is ready. We always can do emergency whip, but I do not want to.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Let's not forget that a barb could come from the deer region down south. Then we'd have to pray he doesn't cross our borders to pillage the silver.

 

[Mutineer]

OK Played a few turn until something unexpected happened.

We meat Justian.

Spoiler :

He visit as using workboat.

Spoiler :

Other wise exploration north reveal nothing..

Spoiler :

Other noticeable thin, Lion move next to our fortified in forest warrior when was protecting working worker. I decide not to risk it and move worker away, loosing worker turn. That is not problem I had 2 spare woker turns which in tests I used to pre-chop forest in capital for future, now I would just to be a little more careful.

Both save on, if you noticed.

I will for majority to comment.

 

[mystyfly]

I cant comment properly right now but one thing we must discuss now - do we want to focus all our EPs on zara to steal old techs or on just to see his research later as he'll likely be much stronger than zara. Also we'll need to find out how many AIs just knows. Scouting WB is big priority in order to meet all AIs we can.

I'm fine with you continuing afterwards mut I'm happy to play my turns later.

BTW you probably noticed fifth elements (IIRC) huge jump in culture - SH??

 

[LowtherCastle]

Fifth Element got an early religion.
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Zara still has not built a settler. Built rax instead. If he's building one now, it'll be done in about 8t, I think. He has some resource tile at Aksum 1N, I think. Probably a pasture tile like sheep since it seems to be a plains hill, but I'm not at all sure.

Our wb exploration is all wrong for abusing alpha. On the other hand, we should be able to get IW or something from Zara. That'd be useful. Hopefully, we'll be able to time Paper with meeting a bunch of those punks to leverage our CS slingshot for exploration. Maybe that's better anyway.

I agree that we need to make a decision on the espionage points. If we want Zara researching at 100%, then we don't want to pressure him to use his espionage slider after he meets Justy. On the other hand, we're just a few turns from seeing Zara's research tech. But since Zara's got a religious flavor, who knows if he'll even help us at all? I guess he could research Monarchy for us.

I have no other comments, since we seem to be locked into this CS slingshot.

 

[Silu]

Well this is good news, we might actually be able to trade for something else besides Monarchy and Alphabet. Though I'm not sure if it affects things much in the short term. Obviously an exploring WB is important, so if possible that should be prioritized.

I don't think 100% EP on ZY gives enough benefit to not get graphs for other Civs. So no focus IMO.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Zara may have already met someone else. His GNP graph is amazingly low, so he might already be using his espionage slider and researching at 80% or lower.

The mapmakers gave us practically every health resource possible. Looks like they expect this island to be a do-it-yourselfer for Cultural victory.

 

[mdy]

I doubt we will be able to steal anything useful, so I also support splitting the espionage points for now.

 

[mystyfly]

Well if we just want to see justinians graphs we should focus on him only until we get those graphs. We still can split EPs later but interpret just's graphs sooner.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Wouldn't we want to see what Zara is researching since we're only a few epps from that? We can lower it when it's obvious they've met.

 

[shyuhe]

Alphabet isn't really on our path right now (until after CS) so we won't get much from trading opportunities for now. But if we tech alphabet, we should be able to pick up at least IW now, probably monarchy as well.

I would go ahead and dump the espionage on Zara for now. We're going to get a religion soon and hopefully can get buddy-buddy with Zara. Then, we can try to milk his research choices if we can see what he's teching.

 

[Mutineer]

Ok, I see majority for concentrating sp's on Zara, al least for a time been.

I tend to agree. What ever zara doing effect as more, and to be true I do not care about Justian at the moment at all. And concentrating sp will force him to keep up, slowing down his research and giving as more time to settle something on his side of the room.

Will play in hour or so.

 

[Mutineer]

Ok, I played next little set until I reach My checkpoint in time. Everything going according to plan.
Absolutely nothing happened otherwise. So, no pictures, save is up.

Ohh Zara researching mining