Things still seem to look good. No time to look at save now. To bad we can't take the French gold. Did you manage to get others to pay? Hope AT can play as I don't have time until wensday (started late on studying for exam, as usual).
SGOTM 12 - Ivan
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I will take the save now!! Check in with my thoughts later on.
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sombody pays 2-4 gpt, but that's it... unfortunately we have no much choise.
For many reasons we have to have reputation clean. Let,s hope that nothing bad will happend in 15 turns. In some sense MPP is a very bad thing, you know. Imagine, if France bring Greeks to war vs Babilonians and we will declare to Greeks due to MPP... Really I have to think more at 920 AD save... The only thing we may do is not to trade Lux and Res to anybody! And all Lux we have to buy for our Technologies. We have plenty. Sure, there is no reason to land in France. I try to build -up early warning system (Dormon, Frigates) Probably better to have one south of Spain and south of Babylonia.
Another important things is Galleon's network. Just in case (not to give Veli again, say) better to have 2-3 to pass troops from India to Rome, and from japan to Persia. They also may transfer workers to help to clean pollution.
Actually it is about time to think about UN prebuild, (probably we may have 2, for good scenario and for bad scenario...) Also who will be our opponent? or Opponents? Candidates are France, Arabia, Babylon... may be build after factory Galleon to collect workers from Erdine. Look also at my post #380)...
Maybe it's an idee of declaring on possible contenders and sign MA with all other ai to make sure we get elected. Like the idea of starting 2 pre-builds. We don't need much else at the moment anyway. If we got 50 turns to go we need cities with 20 shields or more (maybe Rome and Thebes). Can also use capitol in the end. Unfortunatle we can only start on 1 palace, other pre-builds will only get us to 800 shields.
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What does "It is important to agg 1 worker to Passargard" mean? we have to get Passargard up to size 13 soon? I can't figure out what AGG means.
Russia and Arabia are currently second in people and area.
But we can make it whoever we want - just gift a city or two to whoever we want.
Russia and Arabia are currently second in people and area.
But we can make it whoever we want - just gift a city or two to whoever we want.
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About pre-builds - we can get a palace prebuild for our best case and a Hoover's prebuild for our second best case.
I don't know that we need to worry about them for awhile, though - we won't get.
In looking at Civ Assist:
Arabia has 150 tiles, Babylon as 103, America 101. No one else is over 100 (besides us, of course - we have 678)
In population: Russia has 38 citizens, France 34, Greece 31, Arabia 30.
If we want Arabia to be our rival, we can just gift them up to the IA. They are stuck at Invention. I suspect that they will be our rival if we do nothing.
Constantinople, btw, will be at 100 shields once it's factory/plant are up.
Thebes is pretty shield poor - over half is water.
I don't know that we need to worry about them for awhile, though - we won't get.
In looking at Civ Assist:
Arabia has 150 tiles, Babylon as 103, America 101. No one else is over 100 (besides us, of course - we have 678)
In population: Russia has 38 citizens, France 34, Greece 31, Arabia 30.
If we want Arabia to be our rival, we can just gift them up to the IA. They are stuck at Invention. I suspect that they will be our rival if we do nothing.
Constantinople, btw, will be at 100 shields once it's factory/plant are up.
Thebes is pretty shield poor - over half is water.
I think Ivan means join worker to Passengard before growing to 13 as that will empty the granary, if we join a worker and then grow to size 14 the granary will stay half full.
For pre-build Thebes was just from memory, but I trust you will make good decision on that.
For pre-build Thebes was just from memory, but I trust you will make good decision on that.
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AT did you finish?
Constantinople I think will be 90 spt. But I never understand how IW + Fac+ CPlant works together. I am afraid,that pollution will kill us...
Yes, you may change factory to something. What is "important" [not really as it will be game end about 19-20 turns to finish] is to have Commercial Dock at Thebes and Osaka. I thought Factory may help to build or use it as "prebuild". If I miscalculated do it right.
Constantinople I think will be 90 spt. But I never understand how IW + Fac+ CPlant works together. I am afraid,that pollution will kill us...
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Actually, if it's 52 now with ironworks, it will be 78 with Factory/plant.
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Or after "Clean poluution" 60 and 90.
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got a few turns played. in 1010, something I didn't like seeing popped up - Germany signed a trade embargo against us with France.
What do we want to do about this? This would be bad if we had a lot of embargoes against us...
What do we want to do about this? This would be bad if we had a lot of embargoes against us...
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well, we can make *any* civ our competitor, just by gifting cities. All we need is to build the the UN.
I assume we, at least, want all the scientific civs on our side
I assume we, at least, want all the scientific civs on our side
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Unfortunately the only way to break Embargo is to make France to war with Germany. Actually Embargo is very unpleasant. Now Woll compensated by WH, but when we make Peace Embargo will be still in action... Are there any chanses to capture Paris? (J/K). About Alliance for UN, I think it is too early to make thse steps. When 20 turns to UN will be we may focus on it.
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ok. Will not worry about embargoes quite yet. Perhaps we can get them involved in war against us, which may break the embargoes, at a later date. Will try researching that in a game.
hey guys my internet server went down for almost 3 weeks so I'm sorry about going MIA. It looks like you guys have everything under control so I'll just go to lurker status since I have no idea what is going on. If you need somebody to play some turns though I should be able too. Good work though!
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Embargo is a nasty thing. The only way to break it is to make France and Germany at war. So, If we want French Wool (After Peace with France), we have to DoW Germany and make MA with French. Don't know if any other way.
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Welcome back. In best case scenario we have 29 turns to go after AT turnset. Do you want to play some turnset? I will be away of my desk 6-15 of May and absulutly without connection 11-15 May.
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Civ at IA very unpredictable, with all this MPPs. Also we have to defend a big land. + development in Persia and Egypt + proper tome to start pre-build UN. Last turn will very difficult, and all at "big picture regime".
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