SGOTM 12 - Ivan

AutomatedTeller said:
bigger worry is that they bring other people in against us.
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Unlikely. We are strong and they have little (or nothing) to pay. Also, there contacts are limited. Take also save from post 430 to see situation... One remedy is to equalise backward sci civs with Russia...
 
That should be good strat, not just the science civs, but all civs equal to russia. Not sure were we can take units form, probably not that many to move without leaving huge holes in defence. Some ships could get there pretty fast and sink/bombard whatever they can hit. 7 turn should be enough even if we don't kil anything. Even then tereare 6 civs left for only a max of 3 techs needed from AI. We should be ok.
Are we gona declare on France and Arabia before finishing UN as our compettitors?
 
nerovats said:
That should be good strat, not just the science civs, but all civs equal to russia. Not sure were we can take units form, probably not that many to move without leaving huge holes in defence. Some ships could get there pretty fast and sink/bombard whatever they can hit. 7 turn should be enough even if we don't kil anything. Even then tereare 6 civs left for only a max of 3 techs needed from AI. We should be ok.
Are we gona declare on France and Arabia before finishing UN as our compettitors?
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Now Russia has largest population and Arabs have largest Theretory. (After us). I think we may give to Arabs more Cities to be sure, that they are only opponent. I thint, to be sure, we declare to Arabia before UN and drag them into Allianse. May be at Preturn Embassy in Grees is a good idea : with Shanghai it is cheaper.
 
yup.

Am I up? I think I remember saying I can take it, but I am not sure. I don't want to hold things up by forgetting!!

If I'm up, i'll stop anytime anything interesting happens - this is pretty much the critical part of the game.
 
I. Larkin said:
I uploaded file to server. As usual with "difficult" situation. AT up.
Will write turnlog soon. Recent news:
Russia declare war to us and we have to gift Shanghai. I think Arabia is what we decided to do, but probably somebody have better idea.
Conscript may go to Iron Mounting for bettre defence.
Buy Fur, Iroques or Greeks.
Micromanagement: Lisbon (will riot) and may be we may change specialists to taxmen. But, due to pollution leave 3-4 more scientists.
M-Transportation next turn, please in Big picture change Transport to Tank at Copan.
Currently we have 3 pre-builds, it is difficult to calculate, what the best.
May I suggest that AT will stop before MA for short discussion what to do IBT?
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Sure, you are up! I wrote 6 days ago...
 
Pre-turn
Give Shanghai to Arabia
Change scientists into taxman
Get furs from Greece or combustion
give all civ's something
will take 1 go at York next turn we got lot of WW
IBT
tradeembargo France-Celts end
Russians land near Edrine
1255AD
Motorized Transport->flight
taxman back to scientists
Hattusas court->worker
give Edrine to Arabia, they are now biggest in boh pop and territory
wow, spear take about 10 HP's of our knight army
use the cav's to finish job. Take York, no losses
disband units and join workers to get flight in 5, but seem be few short
IBT
trade WM to Sumeria
1260AD
Teotihuacan dock->wealth
That's odd, according to Civassist flight is 4, but games say 5.
Can find few more scientists, now games says 4 as well
Get 30 gpt for Atomic theory from France
Get 11 gpt for chemistry from America
We now lose just 30 gpt, almost 500 in the bank, so should be ok till end of game
Will Land some Troops near Edrine next turn, to try and force peace
IBT
Otto's ask us to leave, give them wine
Russian fleet is approaching Osaka
1265AD
Have to work a lot to get science down to 3 again
Try to re-arange units to take care of Russian landing
IBT
French Scandinavia embargo ends
Arabs boot us
Russians land 2 horses, hahaha
Second Russia "armada" shows up
1270AD
Kill horses, got some ships near Russia
Again lot of work to get science down (have to to not postpone Cuzco production)
IBT
ottomans and France sign peace
1275AD
Because of polution Cuzco will take 2 to get to Palace decide to postpone scinece for 1 turn as well, maybe get lucky and peace with Russia in extra turn.
Science to 40%, will gain extra 400 gold to buy techs
IBT
Russian fleet is inbetween Kyoto and Cuzco now, not sure where they are going
1280AD
No peace yet, not much to do but hit enter again
IBT
kill lot's of Russian units with out infantry on hill
1285AD
use big picture
Germany get's fission, So that's for sure now
Babylon get's fission too, Greece get's ecology, as do the Ottomans, and Korea. Sumeria get's fission
Sign peace with France get 16 gold. Russians get ecology.
Science to 0%
Can't buy anything, from anyone. Have to postpone builds
We get fission
Cuzco can get UN in 5.
Delhi will finish Hoover in 2, but that won't help
Science to Nuclear power (9)
Get embasies with everyone as we have no other use for gold now.
IBT
nothing
1290AD
4 turns to go. Hope to make Arabs attack us, make them furious by demanding
IBT
France Sumeria embargo ends
1295AD
Delhi Hoover Dam->tank
Perspolis market->wealth
was gona declare but we are in last turn of trade so do next turn
IBT
not much lot of pollution but game should only last 2 tuns
1300AD
That's odd, Cuzco lot pop, join it but can get production back to 2 turns.
IBT
noting
1305AD
Declare on Arabia
Get MA with everyone
Get wool from France for Electronics
1310AD
don't bother too much
1315AD
Cuzco shrinks again, now takes another turn
just hit enter
1320AD
we got UN
We get 3 participants Abstain, Theodora and Joan dÁrc

Most civ's chose Joan, so we loose.

Gues the participants are ellected different from what we expected. I'm amazed. Also don't understand why they chose France over us. Probably because of alle the embargos they signed?
 
OK... I suppose, that you had to stop at least once. It was important to check that Arabs are our opponents. I mean count tiles and population.
Or, if things was programmed that France are opponent anyway very little we could do.
Anyway, we got an experience...
Where is the file? I think we have to put it on "progrss results"
 
I did upload save. Maybe it doesn't show the victory/defeat save? I seeto rember that. I didn't stop as all went as discussed. Except for not bein able trade for fisson. But can't stop in the IBT. After that all seemed to go well, Arabia was both biggest in pop and territory, maybe there are always 3 competitors? Still I don't understand thevote, we got 2-3 votes abstain got twice that, 2 out of 3 went for France. How could anyone vote for someone they are at war with?
Uploaded save here as well.

View attachment Ivan_SG012_AD1320_01.SAV
 
We get 3 participants Abstain, Theodora and Joan dÁrc
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I was confused with this line...
So my impression is that France candidate anyway. (AIRC Russia was next after Arabs on population). Anyway I do not understand, how rules work and want to find out. Do you have save turn before vote?
 
huh.

Abstain just means they didn't vote for either party. They do that if they aren't polite to anyone.

How did France get to be our opponent? We built the UN, right? not france?

well, now I feel worse for bailing so much on you guys. Not only was I unreliable, but you guys didn't even get a win for your hard work. :(
 
I never would have seen that one coming. If we build the UN the only other option should be the person with the 2nd highest score - UNLESS another civ has a certain % of population or % of world area (I don't remember the exact percent) then they are included too. I thought that it was atleast 25% pop/area to be considered for a UN vote. That really stinks.
 
Nitfan said:
I never would have seen that one coming. If we build the UN the only other option should be the person with the 2nd highest score - UNLESS another civ has a certain % of population or % of world area (I don't remember the exact percent) then they are included too. I thought that it was atleast 25% pop/area to be considered for a UN vote. That really stinks.
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Dear Gyathaar,
thank you for condolences.
I'd like to know, however, why? Did you programm things that France opponent no matter what? Or we don't know rules good enough?
Please reply to our thread.
Ivan
 
That cant be programmed in civ3..

There is however always atleast 2 people to vote on in the UN.. whoever builds the UN, and the civ with highest population.. there can be more than 2 opponents if a 3rd (or 4th) civ has above the minimum population limit.
 
lurker's comment: Population with regard to determining UN vote opponents is calculated by adding up city sizes. The % shown on the F8 screen has nothing to do with it.
 
Gyathaar said:
That cant be programmed in civ3..

There is however always atleast 2 people to vote on in the UN.. whoever builds the UN, and the civ with highest population.. there can be more than 2 opponents if a 3rd (or 4th) civ has above the minimum population limit.
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I thought that this level is 25% of total population.
Population with regard to determining UN vote opponents is calculated by adding up city sizes.
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Probably formula works somehow in different way.
 
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