Made some mistakes indeed, th dyes was a major one. Trading with Arabs was not mistake as those deals will ed before we hit MA. Just getting tec in 5 and 6 turns was major effort, as was getting ships in place to catch the french. Then I tend to lose perspective on other things. Hope the palace cost will increse a lot. Need to closely monitor the prebuilds. 17 turns is an ultimate fast one, as then we should get all MA techs we need for free, I doubt that. We probably need to reseach at least 1 more tech. Besides we don't have much to give for the free techs of the others.
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not true.
We will have a free tech, too.
Plus we can set our sliders to 0 and mortgage our entire economy - we'll get it back in trade.
We will have a free tech, too.
Plus we can set our sliders to 0 and mortgage our entire economy - we'll get it back in trade.
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Had very buisy trip, and had a chanse to play in the plane only.
Wish to continue, actually. Indeed, multi-task is a tougth procedure. Agree, Arabs trade is OK. I did the same. Actually think that France is better candidate for opponent. Or may be anybody else.
It is 11-12 turns to MA and 15-20 to UN.
Wish to continue, actually. Indeed, multi-task is a tougth procedure. Agree, Arabs trade is OK. I did the same. Actually think that France is better candidate for opponent. Or may be anybody else.
It is 11-12 turns to MA and 15-20 to UN.
Doing ok, although it might be difficult to get flight in 6 due to finance. At least Greece is willing to pay 12 gpt.
Persepolis can grow faster to make use of the Commercial dock it's building, same goes for Memphis. Not sure if it will be of enough use there. Are you sure we can hold London, maybe take them out as a whole? Fortunatly they are really backward. I'd take the infantry from Delhi to be sure of defence.
Shanghai needs MM (didn't check all cities). So 11 or 12 to MA then if we get all 1st tier techs by trade we have 25% chance of getting. No, stupid me. All this time I thought we needed miniturization. We have very good chance to get Fission. (usually my games don't last this long). So we can get flight in 6 for sure by selling lot of buildings. I suggest you just finish this. Maybe let last turnset to someone else when we get really unlucky entering MA. Think building the coal plant in Cuzco was mistake. I also think we should start prebuild in Const as well now, better save then sorry.
Persepolis can grow faster to make use of the Commercial dock it's building, same goes for Memphis. Not sure if it will be of enough use there. Are you sure we can hold London, maybe take them out as a whole? Fortunatly they are really backward. I'd take the infantry from Delhi to be sure of defence.
Shanghai needs MM (didn't check all cities). So 11 or 12 to MA then if we get all 1st tier techs by trade we have 25% chance of getting. No, stupid me. All this time I thought we needed miniturization. We have very good chance to get Fission. (usually my games don't last this long). So we can get flight in 6 for sure by selling lot of buildings. I suggest you just finish this. Maybe let last turnset to someone else when we get really unlucky entering MA. Think building the coal plant in Cuzco was mistake. I also think we should start prebuild in Const as well now, better save then sorry.
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Trouble with prebuild. We have nothing for 1000 s, so if we get fussion in big picture it will be race to get it ASAP. It is difficult now to see, which City will be the best. Delhi, Cuzko or Thebes.
In worst case scenario we will not get Fussion and have to research it ourselves.
But I hope to use the same IBT trade as I did for IA. You allways will get more tech if you trade IBT, this is the point.
I think, I will play 4 more turns, then AT or you until MA.
I did it on purpuse, because we have to have something very productive to cover (1000 -700)s in Cuzko.
In worst case scenario we will not get Fussion and have to research it ourselves.
But I hope to use the same IBT trade as I did for IA. You allways will get more tech if you trade IBT, this is the point.
I think, I will play 4 more turns, then AT or you until MA.
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I am willing to do the IBT trading for the jump to Modern times if no one else is.
Basically, you change all specialists to taxmen and gift everyone up. If you can't get all the techs, take your free one and try to leverage it.
Basically, you change all specialists to taxmen and gift everyone up. If you can't get all the techs, take your free one and try to leverage it.
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OK, let try this way.
But I gonna to prepare prebuild in 3 major Cities, so IBT you may also change Pre-Builds.
I used following ibt MA-IA: gift to 5-6,, trade around and continue. Unfortunately now we have no Persia.
However, let's ussume, that you stop before this turn.
I will finish today and you continue.
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No persia? they are mad at us? have been taken out?
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Why 6? I think 7.
Korea, Russia, Greeks, Germany, babylon, sumeria, Ottos. Play only 1 turn.
Take London and get Leader near Kyoto. Have too many "ideas" what to do.
They are:
1) Army
2)Marketplace in Persepolis
3)Hospital in Memphis
4) Factory somewhere.
5) HE in London (for fast culture expansion)
Since very little turns left (we can do Flight in 6) Marketplace looks the best choise...
Korea, Russia, Greeks, Germany, babylon, sumeria, Ottos. Play only 1 turn.
Take London and get Leader near Kyoto. Have too many "ideas" what to do.
They are:
1) Army
2)Marketplace in Persepolis
3)Hospital in Memphis
4) Factory somewhere.
5) HE in London (for fast culture expansion)
Since very little turns left (we can do Flight in 6) Marketplace looks the best choise...
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I think that is probably best, since we can't use it for rushing a wonder 
Miscounted, I thought there were 8 in total, 1 defeated 1 is us, leves 6, but there are 9 in total.
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I uploaded file to server. As usual with "difficult" situation. AT up.
Will write turnlog soon. Recent news:
Russia declare war to us and we have to gift Shanghai. I think Arabia is what we decided to do, but probably somebody have better idea.
Conscript may go to Iron Mounting for bettre defence.
Buy Fur, Iroques or Greeks.
Micromanagement: Lisbon (will riot) and may be we may change specialists to taxmen. But, due to pollution leave 3-4 more scientists.
M-Transportation next turn, please in Big picture change Transport to Tank at Copan.
Currently we have 3 pre-builds, it is difficult to calculate, what the best.
May I suggest that AT will stop before MA for short discussion what to do IBT?
Will write turnlog soon. Recent news:
Russia declare war to us and we have to gift Shanghai. I think Arabia is what we decided to do, but probably somebody have better idea.
Conscript may go to Iron Mounting for bettre defence.
Buy Fur, Iroques or Greeks.
Micromanagement: Lisbon (will riot) and may be we may change specialists to taxmen. But, due to pollution leave 3-4 more scientists.
M-Transportation next turn, please in Big picture change Transport to Tank at Copan.
Currently we have 3 pre-builds, it is difficult to calculate, what the best.
May I suggest that AT will stop before MA for short discussion what to do IBT?
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0 "1150 AD"*"". Check situation. 700 s Palace is a nasty surprise.
It will be ready in 12. We can’t go to MA in this time. Even if we lucky, and get Fusion on MA we have to spend 6-7 turns to build UN after “pre-build”.
Clear, the more spt City have the faster UN appear. It was difficult to calculate what is better 200 sch in Delhi, 300 in Cuzko or 500 in Constantinople. Anyhow all this Cities need power plants. Change production to Coal Plant in Cuzco and Hidroplant in Delhi. We also need transport network between Island to transfer workers and troops. Also set something for commercial docks pre-builds. French give good deal of money for peace, but WH from them much better. Decided to stay at war and prepare to invade England to get Dice.
Cancel MPP with Ottos, they are at war with 2 countries, that in war with each other… Too dangerous.
IBT ""*"French, Ottos, Arabs English sails. Mass Production in 5.
1 "1160 AD"*"": kill French Frigate using lethal bombardment. Try to block another French pair. Kill Fr. Rifel near Amsterdam.
IBT ""*" French, Ottos, Arabs English sails. Korea return home. "
2 "1170 AD"*"" bring 2 Galeons to Cuzco. Assemble troops for landing near London.
IBT ""*" French, Ottos, Arabs English sails. Korea return home, Otto fight with Babs near Istambul. French prepare to land near Shanghai. "
3 "1180 AD"*"" Killed French Galleon Frigate pair. Lost Frigate. Regroup near Shanghai to to prevent French landing. Arrange 2 ship chain Cuzco- London. Kill rifle near Rome.
IBT ""*"French unload near Shanghai. French Cav killed Ottos horsman. "
4 "1190 AD"*"" Make pease with French with all money they have. Declare to England and unload.
IBT ""*"LB kilee Infantry."
5 "1200 AD"*"" Attacked London and did not mange. 2/4 Spear left.
IBT ""*"Otto sail to Babilon near Rotterdam. England Counterattack without success. German Embargo ends."
6 "1210 AD"*"" bring Knight Army near London. MT in 5. (Can do flight in 6, but too difficult.
IBT ""*"Otto’s Galeon sails near babylon and return fron France.
England unload near Kyoto."
7 "1220 AD"*" Put Constantinople on wealth. (19 gpt). Kill pair near Kyoto, got Leader. Capture London. Sail from Schanghai.
IBT ""*" English attack without results. Zulu Embargo ends."
8 "1230 AD"*"" Use Leader for Hospital in Memphys. (Forgot, that memphys have Marketplace. It is good City... Poprush Lib in London.
IBT ""*" English attack without results. Russia sails suspiciously.
9 "1240 AD"*""
IBT ""*" English attack without results. Russia unload and come to Schanghai.
10 "1250 AD"*"" We have ww from England. Ask Russia remove or declare, they declare. Kill some spears and send wounded troops to York for do or die mission…
It will be ready in 12. We can’t go to MA in this time. Even if we lucky, and get Fusion on MA we have to spend 6-7 turns to build UN after “pre-build”.
Clear, the more spt City have the faster UN appear. It was difficult to calculate what is better 200 sch in Delhi, 300 in Cuzko or 500 in Constantinople. Anyhow all this Cities need power plants. Change production to Coal Plant in Cuzco and Hidroplant in Delhi. We also need transport network between Island to transfer workers and troops. Also set something for commercial docks pre-builds. French give good deal of money for peace, but WH from them much better. Decided to stay at war and prepare to invade England to get Dice.
Cancel MPP with Ottos, they are at war with 2 countries, that in war with each other… Too dangerous.
IBT ""*"French, Ottos, Arabs English sails. Mass Production in 5.
1 "1160 AD"*"": kill French Frigate using lethal bombardment. Try to block another French pair. Kill Fr. Rifel near Amsterdam.
IBT ""*" French, Ottos, Arabs English sails. Korea return home. "
2 "1170 AD"*"" bring 2 Galeons to Cuzco. Assemble troops for landing near London.
IBT ""*" French, Ottos, Arabs English sails. Korea return home, Otto fight with Babs near Istambul. French prepare to land near Shanghai. "
3 "1180 AD"*"" Killed French Galleon Frigate pair. Lost Frigate. Regroup near Shanghai to to prevent French landing. Arrange 2 ship chain Cuzco- London. Kill rifle near Rome.
IBT ""*"French unload near Shanghai. French Cav killed Ottos horsman. "
4 "1190 AD"*"" Make pease with French with all money they have. Declare to England and unload.
IBT ""*"LB kilee Infantry."
5 "1200 AD"*"" Attacked London and did not mange. 2/4 Spear left.
IBT ""*"Otto sail to Babilon near Rotterdam. England Counterattack without success. German Embargo ends."
6 "1210 AD"*"" bring Knight Army near London. MT in 5. (Can do flight in 6, but too difficult.
IBT ""*"Otto’s Galeon sails near babylon and return fron France.
England unload near Kyoto."
7 "1220 AD"*" Put Constantinople on wealth. (19 gpt). Kill pair near Kyoto, got Leader. Capture London. Sail from Schanghai.
IBT ""*" English attack without results. Zulu Embargo ends."
8 "1230 AD"*"" Use Leader for Hospital in Memphys. (Forgot, that memphys have Marketplace. It is good City... Poprush Lib in London.
IBT ""*" English attack without results. Russia sails suspiciously.
9 "1240 AD"*""
IBT ""*" English attack without results. Russia unload and come to Schanghai.
10 "1250 AD"*"" We have ww from England. Ask Russia remove or declare, they declare. Kill some spears and send wounded troops to York for do or die mission…
Whithout looking at save, I don't think we should strech it. Last save I've seen we should be able to finish English easy. Russia shouldn't be problem. Don't sign alliances make peace before MA. Think we should trade more to keep people happy as mentioned before. We're gona give them in a fewturns anyway. The French have printing press get it before MA for trading.
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We have 7 turns. However, have no idea how to make them loose units.
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bigger worry is that they bring other people in against us.
