SGOTM 12 - Team Zoe

[ThERat]

zerkesees is dead right. NO alliance against Ottoman so we can make peace once we pushed them back onto their exile. And leave them alive there.

I like the plan to declare against Spain and sign in Korea and Portugal so they move all their units up into Korean land. Once that is done, we can sign Korea against Portugal and easily take Portugal's cities.

Of course, sign Ottoman in now against Inca. We should be able to fight spears and archers easily.

Leave the prebuild, but maximize science so we can cut a turn or 2. KT should be available and we should make it. It would be huge if we succeed with this little risky play. We need that to beat he other teams

 

[ThERat]

You might want to start more wars on other Islands such as the French land. But make sure not too many units will be able to reach our shores as our cities are currently working on infra

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

lurker's comment: y'all know lurkers like pictures right?

@whomper, you can just say no

 

[zerksees]

lurker's comment: y'all know lurkers like pictures right?

Uh...er...We do actually. Whomp was the last one to play a turnset and he did post pictures.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Please do not disturb the Admiral. At his age, you will not remember Whomp has posted pictures last time around when it's 2 pages back either.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Guys something came up and I'll be out of town this week-end. Put me on the skipper until you hear back from me.

Think twice before capturing Edrine

 

[ThERat]

ok, I got it then...won't capture the last Ottoman city for sure. The exile will suit them well

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Before I go, consider pulling extra swords from everywhere they are not vital and upping them into maces ... boy we do need reinforcements.

 

[ThERat]

Pre-Turn
first thing, sign in Ottoman in the Inca war and they top it up with 47 gold

just for the information: we have 3 wars going on

against Inca with Ottoman and Portuguese support
against China with Iro support
against Egypt with Dutch support

will wait for more wars until we made some peace
swap Bears Den to uni since it won't grow that fast anyway
upgrade 2 swords

1.130BC
bombard Cuzco, 2 units inside
defeat both units and we capture the city for 2 gold, it has a harbor/aqueduct and granary
leaderfish defeating the archer,but without success

move towards Tiwanaku

IT Portuguese land a unit and block our access to Tiwanaku
we get the FP message

2.110BC
move boats next to Towanaku and spot 2 big stacks of Ottoman units, 8 archers and many spears
continue to irrigate towards Mayan land

buy another worker from Spain

IT Ottoman defeat both spears straight and take out Inca
not good

we get another ACav

3. 90BC
every turn keep my breath, astro still 4 turns

now that the war is over, decide we need to distract Portuguese
war against Spain with support of Korea dn Portugal it is

decide we need to fight Ottoman now and not later
declare and move in to Tiwanaku

move in 6 units with a pike on top and 4 trebs

IT oh, Iro's just destroyed the Chinese
more Sistine Chapel starts, then some people start KT, chivalry is out
Ottoman move many unis out towards our empty cities ad 1 Egyptian galley appears

4.70BC
buy chivalry from Persia (both Persians and French have it)
we still have 3 turns on astro

maybe we should start a new war overseas
Iros against Russia/Arabia/Greece

bombard Tiwanaku, 5 spears + 2 archer inside
defeat 4 spears and 1 archer, no losses

IT Ottoman move out units, they really want to go after our Mayan cities
Protugese keep on retreating, Egypt lands 1 archer next to Bears Den
no wonder finished yet

5.50BC
defeat the Egyptian archer
defeat 2 units and take Tiwanaku, comes with rax/harbor and granary
also capture 2 slaves there

now we can safely get the lux from Sumer
give them monarchy for dyes and 3 gold

now, it gets tricky, I need to be faster to their city than theirs to ours
also need to monitor where their units move to

stop for the night...

 

[zerksees]

The Ottomans will need to acknowledge our envoy as well.
You might consider leader farming since I think we should knock all the Ottoman units off our landmass once Istanbul is taken.

 

[ThERat]

continuation from the save:

after taking Tiwanaku:
defeat 1 spear and pull pike into town and cover trebs with mace

IT Ottoman pulls back units to attack Tiwanaku, lose a mace near Cuzco while defeating 1 archer i Tiwanaku
France finishes Sistine, but we can still swap to KT

6.30BC
there are now 6 archers that can attack Tiwanaku
pull back those 4 ACavs, too dangerous, defeat 1 spear with elite unit

defeat a spear that tries to reach our core cities in mayan land

reduce science to 20% (+119gpt)

IT goodness, this is heart stopping, we defeat all 6 archers and 1 that attacked Cuzco
Ottoman spears mainly heading for mayan cities now, we need to use that chance to head for Istanbul
we get astro, banking next

7.10BC
move out all the units we have except the pike
switch prebuild to Copernicus done in 7

IT spears pillage the jungle road to Tiwanaku, nothing I could do about that
Persepolis finishes KT (good that it's not French)

8.10AD
Russia would offer 60gold +12gpt for theology
decide to go for that

Egyptian boat is back and we got very few defenders

move onto jungle towards Istanbul, 2 turn to reach the city

Arabia has now 3 cities, apparently took one from Iro's

IT Ottoman spears continue to pillage 1 tile
Egypt lands a spear and a redlined archer

9.30AD
Persia has some cash now, we could sell them some luxes (if we deem that passage safe)
Greece also has some money for monarchy, sell it to them for 46gold and 9gpt
lose a mace against Egypt spear and remove it after that, redlined archer left behind

move 7 units next to Istanbul and defeat 1 spear on the way (yet another leader fishing attempt without success)

IT archer comes out from Istanbul and loses against our spear beating e-ACav, still no MGL....
the redlined Egyptian archer almost defeats a vet pike
Cuzco gets a library and goes for a court
Osaka gets aqueduct and goes for harbor
Rats Hole gets a knight, we need some military really

10.50AD
WW hits, but we hopefully can go for peace now (3 cities unhappy)
sink a galley inside Istanbul and wound a spear

defeat 3 spears + 2 archers:

go for some leader fishing before sueing for peace
defeat 3 units with elites, but we got no MGL luck at all

get 10 gold for peace, let them live in exile
there are still assorted spears on mountains, but we do not have the units to deal with them fast. i tried so many times for a MGL, sorry really

situation now:

research:
we will get banking in 8, with Copernicus due in 4, this might speed it up
nobody has gunpowder yet
we need to decide whether we go for optional navigation/economic or gunpowder not waiting for he AI

wars:
with Ottoman out of the way, we can strike Egypt and Portugal

Portugal is currently fighting against Spain, all their stacks have gone there I think
(and our deal still lasts for 13 turns)

Egypt has been fighting Dutch without any effect it seems
we could go after them and sign in Persia as well
we want Thebes for the lux and commerce there

(Compared to both, we do have a strong military, that really surprises me)

The war on the other continent seems going well with Arabia making progress

we can still decide to start more phony wars, but due to very limited home defense, I did not opt for that
our capital will soon start producing 3 turn knights, that should help us for the 2 wars

 

[ThERat]

checking the results, spooks must have gone for some ROP rape and take Japan and Aztec land in one swift move. They did not have SoZ for sure

As for our next war, I would sign in Persia, hope that further distracts Egypt and send maybe 4-6 units there and take Thebes. Meanwhile, we can build up some military for our next campaign.
Portugal should not be an issue as all their units are away.

All other targets will be further away, we might want to start with Carthage and sign in the others there?
Or, how about going for America/Vikings with the ultimate bounty France? We might get an arm there and with that, we could go and kill them?

We really need to make a decision, whether we try and wait for the AI to research gunpowder for us while going for navigation + economics. I thought about it and am still not sure what is best. All the while France/Persia have come up with invention+chivalry. Not very convincing...

 

[zerksees]

Overall looks very good.

I am confused as to why we signed an alliance with Portugal, as we now are stuck for 13 turns. Not a big deal but it might slow our growht rate a little.

Smart you are up.

 

[ThERat]

Portugese had huge stacks hanging around, which I thought our very limited military doesn't want to deal with.

We now have a few turns to regroup and by the time we shifted the units (+new support) over, the deal is up anyway.

I rather had them leave and burn their units than slogging through ons of units and losing vital military. We can ship over a few units to quickly take out Egypt. Persia should be a military monster soon with KT.

 

[Whomp]

Looking good ThERat!! Let's keep those wars going against the AI's that don't have cash. The good AI's need space.

 

[sanabas]

Looks nice. Looks like we want military over Smith's, so I'd send research on to the bottom path. None of the optionals will give us anything we want to build right now. Glad we got Astronomy the turn before KT completed, rather than the other way around.

 

[ThERat]

Looks like we want military over Smith's, so I'd send research on to the bottom path. None of the optionals will give us anything we want to build right now. Glad we got Astronomy the turn before KT completed, rather than the other way around.

I got pretty stressed whether our prebuild will make it, we were lucky and this should compensate for the bad luck regarding MGL's.

Ok, if we all agree to skip the optional techs, we should go for gunpowder after banking.
Once we have chemistry, we might want to trade that to France and Persia, they might just research metal for us (not sure but worth a try).
Once we have the last tech of the age, we MUST attempt the 2 tier slingshot. Get every Sci Civ into the IA and hopefully with some accumulated cash (and gpt) + optional techs, we should be able to get all 3 first tiers...

Roster:
Beorn - skipped, busy weekend
Rat - eliminated Inca + got Ottoman's capital
Smart - go get Egypt + copernicus
zerksees - on deck
Buce - busy with wifey
whomp - bravely fought stacks of Incans and started a successful prebuild

 

[Smart]

We are doing awesome work, №1 team currently
Got it, I'll finish tomorrow

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Nice work, as usual
Skin of our teeth with the prebuild but it will pay off. This is going to be big.

We need to take out egypt, but portugal will require a lot less out of our military and we'll need some turns to recover once we have Coper in the capital. A few good turns of knights wouldn't hurt at all, though we might want to go all MDI with the low amount of riding involved in this map. Patience and safe goings pay off in these kinds of settings.

 

[ThERat]

smart, any progress???