SGOTM 16 - Fifth Element
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BLubmuz
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Mastiff_of_Ar
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I would get screenies, too. Especially if you uncover anything.
BLubmuz
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Go on!
Shaandore
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Well, best get confirmation from Blubmuz, but the way I've always understood it is that it's good practice to leave them well alone while actually playing a turnset (to avoid playing the wrong one, etc), but afterwards it's ok to have a look around - it's just making moves in an old game that's forbidden, rather than just opening them.
BLubmuz
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I never considered this possibility, but to avoid any problem just avoid to do anything, like move units or trade something. you can surely take some screenie from an old save with the above attentions.
In other words: open the save, take the screenies and close.
Hey Staff lurkers, some objection?
Shaandore
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In short:
We met Brennus, founder of Hinduism from the southwest. Some empty easily blockable land to our north. Nice Floodplains to the west.
Longer version:
On turn 9, Hinduism is founded as first religion.
On turn 10, we met Brennus's scout on the signed location. He came from the southwest. EP points are on him. He is the Hindu guy.
On turn 13, Buddhism is founded. Meanwhile, Brennus' scout help us fogbust
On turn 17, we spot our first Barb, a wolf. We move to the safety of a forest to meet him. Our warrior defeats the wolf, wonding to 1.8 strength (2 turns to heal)
On turn 20, the second barb arrives, another wolf. Warrior is healed and ready too move.
Paris is ready to grow. I have a save from each turn in the range t5 to t20, so let me know if you need a specific screenie.
Save is uploaded to the server. I will be busy until tuesday afternoon, so if somebody has time to updte the test save until then, I would be grateful.
Turn log:
Link to uploaded save:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Fifth_Element_SG016_BC3200_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
We met Brennus, founder of Hinduism from the southwest. Some empty easily blockable land to our north. Nice Floodplains to the west.
Longer version:
On turn 9, Hinduism is founded as first religion.
On turn 10, we met Brennus's scout on the signed location. He came from the southwest. EP points are on him. He is the Hindu guy.
On turn 13, Buddhism is founded. Meanwhile, Brennus' scout help us fogbust
On turn 17, we spot our first Barb, a wolf. We move to the safety of a forest to meet him. Our warrior defeats the wolf, wonding to 1.8 strength (2 turns to heal)
On turn 20, the second barb arrives, another wolf. Warrior is healed and ready too move.
Paris is ready to grow. I have a save from each turn in the range t5 to t20, so let me know if you need a specific screenie.
Save is uploaded to the server. I will be busy until tuesday afternoon, so if somebody has time to updte the test save until then, I would be grateful.
Turn log:
Spoiler :
Link to uploaded save:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Fifth_Element_SG016_BC3200_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
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Well played Shaandore!
A couple of requests:
a) Turn 7 demographics. That will tell us how many AI grew to size 2 right away, and how many started with a worker. It could also give us a clue to how many stuck with basic techs, and how many tried for something like AH or a religion with their second one.
b) Turn 12 demographics: what is the average approval rate? 73 or 72? That will tell us whether or not there is a second charismatic leader. I don't really need a screenshot for this one, but go ahead if you feel like it.
Comments on the game in the next post.
A couple of requests:
a) Turn 7 demographics. That will tell us how many AI grew to size 2 right away, and how many started with a worker. It could also give us a clue to how many stuck with basic techs, and how many tried for something like AH or a religion with their second one.
b) Turn 12 demographics: what is the average approval rate? 73 or 72? That will tell us whether or not there is a second charismatic leader. I don't really need a screenshot for this one, but go ahead if you feel like it.
Comments on the game in the next post.
Our first neighbour is Brennus. He will be slow-starting because he has poor starting techs, and went straight for a religion. We can also get him to Friendly quickly - religion and favourite civic plusmods will be easy to get.
His builds were Archer(partial while growing to size 2)-Worker-(probably)Settler.
One AI started Worker-Settler; the floodplains one grew to size 3 before starting a worker; the rest stopped at size 2.
I've mocked up a couple of dotmaps.
I really like the red city in thesecond first one because it can generate a GS and chop the Oracle; leaving the capital to produce workers and settlers. It will have instant trade routes, and not cost too much in maintenance.
I think that sheep resource is probably motivation enough to research Animal Husbandry instead of Pottery - if we need to head out for a MC sling we can pick up Pottery after Priesthood.
If no one else has done it by then, I'll mock up an updated test game this evening.
I think the Wheat resource puts Alphabet->Currency back into the brink of possiblity, and I'll test it out to see if the MM works nicely.
Our exploring now needs to concentrate on the wheat-oasis area. If there's a super city site, we need to know about it ASAP. That's not to say the warrior is out of place - it isn't, since we needed to see the whole sheep-fish area too - but its next priority should be south-west. The warrior being built in Paris can fill in some of the northern gaps a little later.
That wolf will act as a convenient spawnbuster, so I'd rather not move towards it just yet, and our borders will show us some of the NE pretty soon too.
His builds were Archer(partial while growing to size 2)-Worker-(probably)Settler.
One AI started Worker-Settler; the floodplains one grew to size 3 before starting a worker; the rest stopped at size 2.
I've mocked up a couple of dotmaps.
I really like the red city in the
I think that sheep resource is probably motivation enough to research Animal Husbandry instead of Pottery - if we need to head out for a MC sling we can pick up Pottery after Priesthood.
If no one else has done it by then, I'll mock up an updated test game this evening.
I think the Wheat resource puts Alphabet->Currency back into the brink of possiblity, and I'll test it out to see if the MM works nicely.
Our exploring now needs to concentrate on the wheat-oasis area. If there's a super city site, we need to know about it ASAP. That's not to say the warrior is out of place - it isn't, since we needed to see the whole sheep-fish area too - but its next priority should be south-west. The warrior being built in Paris can fill in some of the northern gaps a little later.
That wolf will act as a convenient spawnbuster, so I'd rather not move towards it just yet, and our borders will show us some of the NE pretty soon too.
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BLubmuz
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Sure, well done Shaan, mainly for your patience and care.
Now, time to decide a plan, really.
First off, i like the cities dotted in dotmap1, at least the blue, the red and the orange. Well actually the orange can be called red
, depends by the viewer and by the monitor. In any case that would be a good start.
The fish city can wait.
The celtic scout in that position on turn 10 can mean that Brennus is enough far south to let us settle 1 or 2 more cities south of the dotmapped ones (provided the land is decent), after that we can start backfill the north, including a possible fish city.
The target for next TS should be to scout the south until we see celtic borders, then uncover all the land. I suppose that we're alone with Brennus in this continent, otherwise Emperor AIs should have already arrived in sight, unless the Celtic capital is on a choke point.
I think that my proposed tech path can work well with our expansion. Do we build the settler at size 2 or 3? Since we have BW, i think that size 2 makes it affordable.
Now, time to decide a plan, really.
First off, i like the cities dotted in dotmap1, at least the blue, the red and the orange. Well actually the orange can be called red
, depends by the viewer and by the monitor. In any case that would be a good start.The fish city can wait.
The celtic scout in that position on turn 10 can mean that Brennus is enough far south to let us settle 1 or 2 more cities south of the dotmapped ones (provided the land is decent), after that we can start backfill the north, including a possible fish city.
The target for next TS should be to scout the south until we see celtic borders, then uncover all the land. I suppose that we're alone with Brennus in this continent, otherwise Emperor AIs should have already arrived in sight, unless the Celtic capital is on a choke point.
I think that my proposed tech path can work well with our expansion. Do we build the settler at size 2 or 3? Since we have BW, i think that size 2 makes it affordable.
Fish city can definitely wait since we have other sites to fill. I just included it so we don't forget.Sure, well done Shaan, mainly for your patience and care.
Now, time to decide a plan, really.
First off, i like the cities dotted in dotmap1, at least the blue, the red and the orange. Well actually the orange can be called red
The fish city can wait.
MS Paint calls it red.
Next to the maroon and the tones of Civ4, it does look like a kind of pasty orange though.The distance and the jungle should give us quite some breathing space.
No! Brennus has not put all his espionage towards us, so we definitely have another rival within contact range.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Good to know, more trade opportunities. And make our Espionage mission easier. I did not opened the save, so...No! Brennus has not put all his espionage towards us, so we definitely have another rival within contact range.
But it's still strange. Or the celtic capital is blocking access North or the other guy(s) is in another landmass close to ours one.
Mastiff_of_Ar
In his Element
Before we pick the red dot in map 1, I'd really like the fog busted to the SW for two reasons. One, I'd hate to miss something nice in the BFC, and two, if we do move west we can settle on a hill (better defense) and it gives more room for the redder red dot city (clam/gem).
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
We're plenty of time to scout the map before to settler any city, but the red/orange is already on a hill and riverside.
Mastiff_of_Ar
In his Element
I figured we'd have time. I have the maps mixed up, dotmap2.jpg is the first thumbnail, it's the one on the plain.
I actually kind of like dotmap2, except for the light red location. I realize we lose the silk from any BFC, but that 3 commerce after plantation, and we'll still have the +1 happy. The blue dot in that scenario gets us 5 commerce and 1 happy if we settle on it, right?
Just a sec. I'll rearrange them so that dotmap1 is shown first.
No - just the 1 happy. You need a plantation for
from the incense (and Calendar to get the happy)Mastiff_of_Ar
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