SGOTM 16 - Maple Sporks

[Ororo]

From what we see right now, I too would go worker first + Mining. However, there are almost infinite possibilities of what our BFC will look like... Cow/Pigs resource would definitely lean towards AH.

 

[DwarfSleepy]

In any case I interpret it as the 21st. You'll notice tomorrow when you're eager to post a bazillion screenshots before going to work.

And i expect to have a picture of the warrior sight before I wake up tomorow

Sorry, guys, like I mentioned that will be evening earliest. We're going to Phantasialand in Germany tomorrow with the family, and since that's a 2,5h drive, will be leaving at 7am, so no civ before that.

Anyway. What I will do as soon as I get back is download the save, move the Warrior 1N, save the game and upload it again for everyone to have a look at. I will also post screenshots with the new map, as well as the relevant F# screens for those without civ access. We'll then discuss further.

 

[Sengir]

@Ororo: Yeah, that's true, but I figured we might as well keep the conversation going as we wait for the save to be released

 

[Sengir]

Sorry, guys, like I mentioned that will be evening earliest. We're going to Phantasialand in Germany tomorrow with the family, and since that's a 2,5h drive, will be leaving at 7am, so no civ before that.

Anyway. What I will do as soon as I get back is download the save, move the Warrior 1N, save the game and upload it again for everyone to have a look at. I will also post screenshots with the new map, as well as the relevant F# screens for those without civ access. We'll then discuss further.

I seem to remember an issue with uploading turn 0 saves.

 

[nocho]

I seem to remember an issue with uploading turn 0 saves.

Yeah, just post the screenshot post warrior move. The infoscreens we can check ourselves with the original save pre warrior move, if need be. As I'm away I would still appreciate all possible screenshots though.

 

[Sengir]

I might be able to post the screenshots tomorrow morning, though if I haven't posted them by 8am (UTC2) I won't be able to do so until somewhere in the afternoon

 

[astre]

I can do it if necessary at 8:30AM (Paris time)
(I still have to do install the right mod and to understand how to download the save ^^)

 

[Iagoc]

It appears that I will have access to internet during my vacation, so I'll try to pitch in with a brilliant suggestion or two while relaxing in the swimmingpool out in the sun with a nice purple umbrella covered drink.

Vacation plan is slightly prolongued to oktober 3rd by the way, but although the first milestone is called blazing I doubt that I wont be back in time for my turnset

 

[pigswill]

Why purple?

Just have to wait for the exciting warrior move before deciding on SIP or moving settler.

No point discussing initial techs until we know what's visible in BFC wherever that may be.

However Oracle sounds cool (particularly after missing it in last sgotm).

 

[nocho]

I might be able to post the screenshots tomorrow morning, though if I haven't posted them by 8am (UTC2) I won't be able to do so until somewhere in the afternoon

I can do it if necessary at 8:30AM (Paris time)
(I still have to do install the right mod and to understand how to download the save ^^)

Whoever is welcome to post screenshots of the info screens, but let's leave the warrior move to DS.

 

[Iagoc]

How about Oracling Currency? A CS slingshot will not be possible on Emperor with such a low-commerce start.

We could also opt for Metal Casting from the oracle. It gives us early access to cheap forges (IND). Another decent alternative could be Code of Laws, giving us early courthouses for REX, and very probably a holy city.

With our IND trait I dont think we can afford not to build the Oracle, even without marble.

 

[Ororo]

We could also opt for Metal Casting from the oracle. It gives us early access to cheap forges (IND). Another decent alternative could be Civil Service, giving us early courthouses for REX, and very probably a holy city.

With our IND trait I dont think we can afford not to build the Oracle, even without marble.

Cheap Forges are especially nice with some Gold/Silver/Gems around since they provide extra happiness for them. And we know really well how hard the early happiness is to come by. Not a big fan of Colossus since there are like zillion other wonders we have to build so don't think MC is going to help there...
However, with no precious metals around, MC suddenly becomes far less attractive than the fancy economic techs like CoL and Currency (I can't think of a scenario where either of these would be useless).
Then there is Civil Service, which I think is just a wet dream fantasy on higher difficulties providing you're not given double gold/gems.
Philo is a bit more realistic, though nowhere near as useful.
Aesthetics/Alpha are far more situational but can find their use under right circumstances (I remember that last game Alpha would have been a perfect tech to oracle).

So here are the specific cases for each tech:

Precious metals around => Oracle MC => Superforges
Lots of food and little commerce around => Oracle CoL => build Mids => rely on Rep-powered scientists
Crappy land => Oracle Currency => chop GLH ASAP => spam cities along the coast (+open borders with everyone on the continent and establish trade routes)
Stellar start (=2 precious gems in capital's BFC, cottagable land, some forests, some hills) => I would probably try CS slingshot
Marble in BFC => Oracle Aesthetics => tech Lit => chop out GL + National Epic ASAP => build Parthenon in many cities before actually building it for tons of failgold
Lots of jungle around, no strategic resources => Oracle Alpha => Steal IW
Good commerce start, Marble in BFC => Oracle Philo??? => use Pacifism + Caste while teching the Aesthetics line

And I totally agree that not building the Oracle would be pure stupidity....

 

[Norvin_Green]

Ororo's post clues me in on why he's such a good player. None of that stuff ever occurs to me. Hence why I try to be good at making test maps Speaking of which I'm attaching one mae with Buffy. Hopefully astre will be able to download and open it!

 

[DwarfSleepy]

Sorry, I tried to make the warrior move before leaving, but as of 7:05 CET, the save wasn't available yet.

 

[Sengir]

The save is not available yet; looks like I made a miscalculation with the timezones (probably forgot to adjust, or overadjusted for Daylight Saving Time).

 

[astre]

unless iam incorect, we are waiting 8h GMT, aka in england.
so it will be 9h for continent.
I'll try to post the statistics pictures ASAP (working at home at his time / my leg was kind of little broken)

Norvin, i will open it
the question is after how many trying

EDIT after checking it is midnight central US time I didn't knew that that specific time does exist...well, it should open soon. It is 00.10 when i 'm editing

 

[Sengir]

I'm getting a 500-server error here, instead of the unavailable message. So, something has changed, but apparently, we don't get the save yet (although it could be this computer/network interfering somehow, as I'm at work)

 

[nocho]

I can't download it on the iPhone obviously, but when I click the link it says "Sorry, file for 50016 is not available". We'll have to employ some patience, I guess.

 

[astre]

I still get:
Sorry, file for 50016 is not available.

 

[astre]

The start files will become available on the SGOTM Progress Page immediately after midnight CST on September 21.

is it me or the file will be available tomorow?