SGOTM 16 - Maple Sporks

[Sengir]

The link was to the Vanilla picker (here's the bts version: http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/reference/leader_picker_bts.html )

In BtS there are more options (3xwheel,4xmining, 2xnone). Still, nice find

 

[astre]

well with the actual leader picker *cought* cought*, if we exclude us from the list it left 8 industrious guy...
4 mining, 2 wheel and 2 nothing.

Augustus Caesar Rome Industrious Imperialistic Fishing Mining
Bismarck Germany Industrious Expansive Hunting Mining
De Gaulle France Industrious Charismatic Agriculture The Wheel
Huayna Capac Inca Industrious Financial Agriculture Mysticism
Qin Shi Huang China Industrious Protective Agriculture Mining
Rameses II Egypt Industrious Spiritual Agriculture The Wheel
Roosevelt America Industrious Organized Agriculture Fishing
Stalin Russia Industrious Aggressive Hunting Mining

well, maybe they are included in our oponent:

A)
2 AI's with the Wheel
3 AI's with Mining
1 AI with nothing

or B)
3 AI's with the Wheel
1 AI with mining
2 AI's with nothing.

well, I tried ^^ maybe something to confirm in the next turns ^^

 

[DwarfSleepy]

Ok, here it goes: a bit disappointing though...

save attached (not uploaded yet) for better fog gazing.

So what's next? Settler 1NW I presume?

 

[Sengir]

That's an awful lot of forest near our start. And there's been some editing near the start as well, given the river. I'll leave the foggazing for Ororo, he's got a better eye for that then me, but for some reason I've got some doubts about moving the settler (probably the editing of the starting position has something to do with it). I'm going to sleep on it for a night.

 

[pigswill]

It does indeed look like flood plain to SW. If we're not going to SIP I'd move settler W to keep corn in potential BFC.

 

[Ororo]

Sorry for the delay - I didn't feel too well (some sort of stomachache) but it's better now. Gonna do some serious foggazing now.

 

[Iagoc]

Two types of forest near the start also might indicate some alterations by the mapmaker... Im leaning towards SIP right now, as the east is so bleak... Did we consider moving SE with the settler, to grab the fish and corn in the BFC? There doesnt seem to be much of interest to the east to warrant a fish city lateron.

 

[astre]

I'm seriously tempted to SIP.
in fact, land seem horible at this place. The best thing we have is forests. well, lets try to keep them and gain 1 turn.

 

[Ororo]

P = plains
G = grassland
C = coast
PF = plains forest
FP = flood plain
PFH = plains forest hill

 

[Sengir]

That's a lot of brown tiles in the fog.

Anyway, here's what I would do:
Move settler 1W, next turn move warrior 1 NE

The tiles at SIP are not stellar. There might be something useful in the fog to the West, but we don't know until we move or settle. If we move 1W we can either settle there next turn, move back or move W or NW (the latter two options freeing the corn for the fish city if the warrior doesn't find anything else for the fish city).
Also, moving West gives us 1FP in the first nine tiles, meaning we can work a 3F/1C tile from the start.

I'm not in favor of moving east, as we lack fishing.

 

[nocho]

Bwgh, I always reroll these kinds of starts. I guess that's not an option here. I guess I'd go for 1W, though the whole area seems sub-par.

 

[Ororo]

That's a lot of brown tiles in the fog.

Anyway, here's what I would do:
Move settler 1W, next turn move warrior 1 NE

The tiles at SIP are not stellar. There might be something useful in the fog to the West, but we don't know until we move or settle. If we move 1W we can either settle there next turn, move back or move W or NW (the latter two options freeing the corn for the fish city if the warrior doesn't find anything else for the fish city).
Also, moving West gives us 1FP in the first nine tiles, meaning we can work a 3F/1C tile from the start.

I'm not in favor of moving east, as we lack fishing.

My exact thinking. Which is the reason why I don't like SiP. Moving Settler 1W is our best bet. At worst, we lose 1 turn. At best, we gain 2 floodplains + resource. It's a shame I can't distinquish the tile marked by "?" it would help a lot.

As for warrior move next turn, I would personally move him 1N, to se what we are moving away from (the tile 1N of Corn). We won't skip any coastal tile if we then move 1NE.

 

[DwarfSleepy]

OK, so moving settler 1W and then next turn warrior 1N, then come back to confer?

 

[Ororo]

First just move Settler 1W...

Also...can I change my Field of View or is that counted as the "flying camera trick"?

 

[DwarfSleepy]

Ok, first settler

I'm 99,9% sure you can just alter your field of view with the slider top-right. The forbidden flying camera exploit needs a change in the .ini file I believe.

 

[Ororo]

Cool, thanks. I obviously don't want to do anything illegal even if it's done unintentionally...

 

[DwarfSleepy]

Here you go. Settle where we are now? Very nice amount of riverside tiles! Some PH for production. I think moving the settler onto a PH for an accelerated production start is too much of a gamble without seeing any food there...

 

[Ororo]

P = plains
G = grassland
D = desert
C = coast
FP = flood plains
PF = plains forest
GF = grassland forest
PFH = plain forest hill
DH = desert hill
? = not sure

 

[pigswill]

For the sake of completeness moving warrior N to see what's north of corn is worth doing before we decide where to settle. Unless something tasty turns up there I'd settle where settler is now.

 

[Norvin_Green]

Agree with pigswill to send warrior 1N before we settle. Use Paris for construction.

Here's a test save updated with the moves. In the test save Hammurabi is an AI, should I try to swap him out for someone else?