Happy for you to contine C63, things seem to be going well.
SGOTM 16 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts
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Ronnie1
Deity
Nice progress C63!
If you have time to continue, please do it.
If you have time to continue, please do it.
Nice going C63. Happy for you to carry on as well.
Managed a very quick look at the save as it was 5 in the morning.
Tech Edu - Astro which hopefully we can pick up in trade - Lib. Start getting a few of our unique buildings up then. Especially as they are cheaper than Uni's. Trade routes/selling resources will be a big help as well.
Please put a reminder though to get the prophet from Bibracte before the GP from Orleans.
Do think we should think about a Golden Age shortly as well. Will enable us to do a few civic changes. i.e FS - FR and Caste though just as happy to stay in Conf (change religion) and pacifism. Actually during the GA a religion/pacifism will help us get a couple more Great People.
Managed a very quick look at the save as it was 5 in the morning.
Tech Edu - Astro which hopefully we can pick up in trade - Lib. Start getting a few of our unique buildings up then. Especially as they are cheaper than Uni's. Trade routes/selling resources will be a big help as well.
Please put a reminder though to get the prophet from Bibracte before the GP from Orleans.
Do think we should think about a Golden Age shortly as well. Will enable us to do a few civic changes. i.e FS - FR and Caste though just as happy to stay in Conf (change religion) and pacifism. Actually during the GA a religion/pacifism will help us get a couple more Great People.
McArine
King
Good job C63.
I think we should get Versailles started somewhere, probably Bibracte. And get the FP started in Thebes too, I agree we need a Granary there, but I don't think we need the confu buildings until after FP.
Espionage, we should stop putting EP into Ramesses, and distribute them on our other opponents. We will have eliminated Ramesses before we have enough points to try to steal a tech again.
GP, Bibracte and Orleans are both spawning a GP in three turns. I think Orleans should be stalled so we get the GP from Bibracte. Then we'll most likely get a GS from Orleans, Orleans should remove the Scientists and the Engineer, so we improve our chances of a Merchant. Same thing in Rheims and Tolosa. We also need to set up a city for Globe Theatre, so we can build a GA. Thebes is the only city atm with GA points from Statue of Zeus.
We started the Spiral Minaret, that's great. But I think we should pick another city for it. Lyons haven't got any forests we can chop into it. I suggest either Heliopolis, Cuman, Burgundian or Durocortorum. It's a bit of a rush, since we allready traded DR.
Military, I think we'll just need a few more cats to finish off Ramesses. I'd like to see a Caravel built in the north to scout around Humbaba, and one in the south to explore the islands down there. Our galley should move south, so it's ready to ferry troops to Hieraconpolis. Another galley would also be good for that.
Ramesses cities, I don't like the locations of Vandal, Akhetaten and Hieraconpolis, I would raze all three atm. we can rebuild them later. Atm. they'll take quite a while before contributing to the empire.
Techs, finish education, sure. Not sure about Astronomy next. The Sistine Chapel is a good wonder for us, if we want to go for a culture vc. But I have no problem with Astronomy. Then I think we should focus on getting the corporations we want, so Economics, Corporation for me.
That's it, early morning thoughts, off to work now.
I think we should get Versailles started somewhere, probably Bibracte. And get the FP started in Thebes too, I agree we need a Granary there, but I don't think we need the confu buildings until after FP.
Espionage, we should stop putting EP into Ramesses, and distribute them on our other opponents. We will have eliminated Ramesses before we have enough points to try to steal a tech again.
GP, Bibracte and Orleans are both spawning a GP in three turns. I think Orleans should be stalled so we get the GP from Bibracte. Then we'll most likely get a GS from Orleans, Orleans should remove the Scientists and the Engineer, so we improve our chances of a Merchant. Same thing in Rheims and Tolosa. We also need to set up a city for Globe Theatre, so we can build a GA. Thebes is the only city atm with GA points from Statue of Zeus.
We started the Spiral Minaret, that's great. But I think we should pick another city for it. Lyons haven't got any forests we can chop into it. I suggest either Heliopolis, Cuman, Burgundian or Durocortorum. It's a bit of a rush, since we allready traded DR.
Military, I think we'll just need a few more cats to finish off Ramesses. I'd like to see a Caravel built in the north to scout around Humbaba, and one in the south to explore the islands down there. Our galley should move south, so it's ready to ferry troops to Hieraconpolis. Another galley would also be good for that.
Ramesses cities, I don't like the locations of Vandal, Akhetaten and Hieraconpolis, I would raze all three atm. we can rebuild them later. Atm. they'll take quite a while before contributing to the empire.
Techs, finish education, sure. Not sure about Astronomy next. The Sistine Chapel is a good wonder for us, if we want to go for a culture vc. But I have no problem with Astronomy. Then I think we should focus on getting the corporations we want, so Economics, Corporation for me.
That's it, early morning thoughts, off to work now.
Good point about Sistine Chapel for culture, this would be a good pick up.
Conquistador 63
Deity
Ok, I'm able to play the remainder of my turnset tonight (10h from this post). However, it looks like there isn't a consensus about the tech path after Edu. Also, MM questions (what to build, where to build certain wonders, etc.) would benefit from some discussion. Not sure if we are hard-pressed by the game deadline, so should I choose whatever it seems fit or should we discuss it some more?
I'm away from the game now and speaking from memory, so some of my comments below might not be accurate:
From Sleepless:
. We should be able to trade DR for Guilds with Hammy next turn.
. With Edu, we should be able to trade for Astro, as Saladin is the only one who has it now. We might have to put a turn of research into Astro, though.
. Desirable trades would be Edu for Astro from Qin, and Edu to Hammy for Banking/Music.
. I can't remember if PP is open to trade yet, but we need it as it's on the route to SciMeth.
. After Guilds or Edu, we'll learn whether Gunpowder is already known or if we should go for it, as it is a pre-req for Chemistry/Bio.
The french observatories are nice, but they don't allow us to build OxU...which brings us to the question: where should it go?
Also, now that we have Lit, where should we build the NE? And the HE?
From McArine:
I'm away from the game now and speaking from memory, so some of my comments below might not be accurate:
From Sleepless:
I think our next big goal should be Biology. We need to boost those brown farms. It is a little far right now, but:
. We should be able to trade DR for Guilds with Hammy next turn.
. With Edu, we should be able to trade for Astro, as Saladin is the only one who has it now. We might have to put a turn of research into Astro, though.
. Desirable trades would be Edu for Astro from Qin, and Edu to Hammy for Banking/Music.
. I can't remember if PP is open to trade yet, but we need it as it's on the route to SciMeth.
. After Guilds or Edu, we'll learn whether Gunpowder is already known or if we should go for it, as it is a pre-req for Chemistry/Bio.
The french observatories are nice, but they don't allow us to build OxU...which brings us to the question: where should it go?
Also, now that we have Lit, where should we build the NE? And the HE?
Ok, I've been monitoring it closely. It can easily be done firing an specialist there at the last turn. I've been trying to hire as many specialists as possible to reach Edu on time to trade it around.
Should I burn the GPerson from Orleans for that?
From McArine:
I'm fine with that. I'll check which one has the most hammer potential and assign it to Versailles.
Good point, I neglected it.
See above re. Prophet from Bibracte. Is the possible merchant to be saved for Sushi? Why do we need the GA for again? Some corporation?
I put it there as a placeholder, since it had idle some mines and by working them we would build it in 10t or so. Will check the other suggested sites more closely.
We can build trebs now, I'd build them instead of cats. Still don't think we need to rush scouting Humbaba, but I'll see what is possible. Noted the galley suggestion.
It's beyond my turnset, we have a 10t peace deal, and I don't plan to play that long. We should study this issue later.
See above re. tech path. Usually I beeline the specific corp tech (e.g. Medicine for Sushi, Railroad for Mining Inc) and get the tech Corporation by trade. IIRC Sistine is gone already, need to check it.
Agree that Biology is a good research target for us. Hopefully we can trade part the way there.
National Epic should gel with National Park, have we got a decent city with plenty of forests left.
Oxford should be in the capital maybe, don't think we have a cottage powerhouse that would be better. Get the unis going right after Education (whip if we're still in slavery), even drop the rate to 0% until Oxford is in.
National Epic should gel with National Park, have we got a decent city with plenty of forests left.
Oxford should be in the capital maybe, don't think we have a cottage powerhouse that would be better. Get the unis going right after Education (whip if we're still in slavery), even drop the rate to 0% until Oxford is in.
Ronnie1
Deity
A few thoughts.
EDU > Astro > Biology sounds like a great path to me.
Screenshot showing trade options.
OxU > Paris has max of about 36 commerce(+50% for Bureau = 54), I think there will be a number of cities that beat that substantially that will make a better OxU home. Tours for instance is at 33 commerce now and not working all cottages yet. Lyons is at 41, and could get better with some Windmills replacing some Mines.
National Epic > harder question, we have no great food strong city, and no city with lots of forests/jungles left that looks appealing.
EDU > Astro > Biology sounds like a great path to me.
Screenshot showing trade options.
OxU > Paris has max of about 36 commerce(+50% for Bureau = 54), I think there will be a number of cities that beat that substantially that will make a better OxU home. Tours for instance is at 33 commerce now and not working all cottages yet. Lyons is at 41, and could get better with some Windmills replacing some Mines.
National Epic > harder question, we have no great food strong city, and no city with lots of forests/jungles left that looks appealing.
Conquistador 63
Deity
^Screenshot?
I have yet to look at the game again, how about a new palace in Bibracte? It could be our OxU and WS city, Paris could have the FP.
I have yet to look at the game again, how about a new palace in Bibracte? It could be our OxU and WS city, Paris could have the FP.
Bibracte looks a good contender for Oxf but also for Wall Street/corporation HQ. HE I would put in Paris especially if we go FS (which we should) then Paris concentrates mostly on military. NE difficult but would probably put in Orleans. With Sids should be able to run lots of specs there.
EP. We should be able to steal music from Ram with our current EP so wouldn't trade for it.
EP. We should be able to steal music from Ram with our current EP so wouldn't trade for it.
Cross posted but wouldn't move palace now if we go to FS shortly.
Isn't one of Ramesses' old cities a double holy city. If we put our Great Priest here for the Islam holy shrine, this would be a good wall street/corporation HQ city.
Conquistador 63
Deity
I played the remainder of my turnset.
Autolog here
The GProphet was born and will build the Islam shrine (same city which has the Confu shrine). Next GP in 6t, will we fire a GAge?
Tech trades didn't go as swift as I thought.
Somehow I couldn't trade DR for Guilds to some AI, he already knew it.
Still, we got PP for Edu (Hammu), but that made SB go over WFYABTA so he won't trade anymore. Saladin is annoyed so no trades from him either.
Hammu has everything we know, so it leaves us with Qin.
I've been teching at 0% towards Astro.
Now we can either get Lib from PP, or Guilds, or save it for Astro in a turn or 2. Up to next player to decide. I think Lib.
We can whip SM this turn if we want. I built it in Vienne.
Autolog here
Spoiler :
The GProphet was born and will build the Islam shrine (same city which has the Confu shrine). Next GP in 6t, will we fire a GAge?
Tech trades didn't go as swift as I thought.
Somehow I couldn't trade DR for Guilds to some AI, he already knew it.
Still, we got PP for Edu (Hammu), but that made SB go over WFYABTA so he won't trade anymore. Saladin is annoyed so no trades from him either.
Hammu has everything we know, so it leaves us with Qin.
I've been teching at 0% towards Astro.
Now we can either get Lib from PP, or Guilds, or save it for Astro in a turn or 2. Up to next player to decide. I think Lib.
We can whip SM this turn if we want. I built it in Vienne.
Ronnie1
Deity
Nice set C63.
Bummer on some of the trades not working out. Curious, why do you favor Lib over Astro in a turn or 2?
This is a got it post and a PPP prelim question post.
What is our TOP priority now? Tech rate? Something else?
Saladin is running Theocracy, and it is his favorite civic, so Confucius we won't be spreading the word there unless we can change his civics with a spy. Do we care? We would need to start dedicating EP to Sal now I would think.
Should I pause in 4 turns when we are ready to DoW Ramesses again?
Do we have enough EP to steal Music? Does the cost change if we are at war?
Beeline Biology after Astronomy?
Trade for Lib or wait for chance at Astro? I think 1 turn at 50% science may be enough to get it. We have 503/3120 already. 50% gets us ~575 base science, so something near 650 with modifiers maybe, PP is worth 2496 > 3120-1150=1970
Tech trade all other opportunities if available?
Cities focus on economy in general?
Do we have enough troops? I would think so.
Bummer on some of the trades not working out. Curious, why do you favor Lib over Astro in a turn or 2?
This is a got it post and a PPP prelim question post.
What is our TOP priority now? Tech rate? Something else?
Saladin is running Theocracy, and it is his favorite civic, so Confucius we won't be spreading the word there unless we can change his civics with a spy. Do we care? We would need to start dedicating EP to Sal now I would think.
Should I pause in 4 turns when we are ready to DoW Ramesses again?
Do we have enough EP to steal Music? Does the cost change if we are at war?
Beeline Biology after Astronomy?
Trade for Lib or wait for chance at Astro? I think 1 turn at 50% science may be enough to get it. We have 503/3120 already. 50% gets us ~575 base science, so something near 650 with modifiers maybe, PP is worth 2496 > 3120-1150=1970
Tech trade all other opportunities if available?
Cities focus on economy in general?
Do we have enough troops? I would think so.
Some thoughts.
Wall Street in Heliopolis?? If we do that we should save the forests there to chop into it. It doesn't have much production. Still we need alot of buildings there first as well. Plus of course everything else prior.
Thought Oxford for Bibracte?? No uni there atm.
Spiral Minaret won't be of much use till we change religion to Conf no bud buildings (not many anyway).
Leads to I think having to have a golden age for civic changes when we get the GP fom Orleans.
What to change to though.
Rep - Bureau or FS obv we lose the shared civic with Ham and Qin though FS would be worth a lot more to us
Slavery or Caste.. Whip what we need now (personally I would whip the Unis now) and then run Caste during the GA? Can always change back before it runs out but should be able to get a couple of GPs at least. This will need alot of micro for the Golden Age though.
Pacifism more GPs always good.
Tech path. I'd prefer Astro over Lib. Might be worth doing guilds/banking ourselves good buildings whilst our slider is very low. Whilst all the AI are in Merc might as well add that to a GA civic change as well.
Good point on the need to switch Sal out of theo. We can gift a missionary if we could get OB so gifting him a tech down the line might work? Still no hurry on that one.
def tech should be our main priority now to my mind but don't neglect military. Assign some cities to mil defenders e.g lbs etc. We certainly have enough troops for Ram now though.
Wall Street in Heliopolis?? If we do that we should save the forests there to chop into it. It doesn't have much production. Still we need alot of buildings there first as well. Plus of course everything else prior.
Thought Oxford for Bibracte?? No uni there atm.
Spiral Minaret won't be of much use till we change religion to Conf no bud buildings (not many anyway).
Leads to I think having to have a golden age for civic changes when we get the GP fom Orleans.
What to change to though.
Rep - Bureau or FS obv we lose the shared civic with Ham and Qin though FS would be worth a lot more to us
Slavery or Caste.. Whip what we need now (personally I would whip the Unis now) and then run Caste during the GA? Can always change back before it runs out but should be able to get a couple of GPs at least. This will need alot of micro for the Golden Age though.
Pacifism more GPs always good.
Tech path. I'd prefer Astro over Lib. Might be worth doing guilds/banking ourselves good buildings whilst our slider is very low. Whilst all the AI are in Merc might as well add that to a GA civic change as well.
Good point on the need to switch Sal out of theo. We can gift a missionary if we could get OB so gifting him a tech down the line might work? Still no hurry on that one.
def tech should be our main priority now to my mind but don't neglect military. Assign some cities to mil defenders e.g lbs etc. We certainly have enough troops for Ram now though.
Conquistador 63
Deity
We could get OB from Sal if we converted to FR for a few turns during a Golden Age, then gift him a confu missionary, he will happily use it in one of his cities. Agree no hurry to it.
Bibracte: there were talks of build Versailles there, so I obeyed. Personally I'm not a fan of versailles, even more so without Marble.
Military: I wouldn't build anymore for a while, unless we want to take them overseas...
Steal Music: if we had OB the cost would be lower, but without it, I think it is the same cost whether at peace or war.
Tech: with most AI running Merc, and lots of stuff to build everywhere, I'd say Lib (for FS) would be better. Not sure if we can trade Lib away for Astro (Hammu) the following turn.
Apologies, it was my fault not trading with SB before he gone WFYABTA
Bibracte: there were talks of build Versailles there, so I obeyed. Personally I'm not a fan of versailles, even more so without Marble.
Military: I wouldn't build anymore for a while, unless we want to take them overseas...
Steal Music: if we had OB the cost would be lower, but without it, I think it is the same cost whether at peace or war.
Tech: with most AI running Merc, and lots of stuff to build everywhere, I'd say Lib (for FS) would be better. Not sure if we can trade Lib away for Astro (Hammu) the following turn.
Apologies, it was my fault not trading with SB before he gone WFYABTA
adrianj
Deity
Sorry, I've been MIA for a week. Took my ages to realised I wasn't getting the email alerts anymore, because I managed to delete the email before I'd clicked through 
Let's see if I have this right...
The roster order is
1) Ronnie1 Up Now
2) Ozbenno On Deck
3) McArine
4) Sleepless
5) Conquistador63 Just Played
Re: tech path. I wouldn't rule out Astro just because of lack of trade routes. Are there resource trades we could get a benefit from?
Do we want to shoot for Economics for the free GM, or has that already gone?
I think we should gear our tech path for the optimal path to Corporations, eg, Guilds->Gunpowder->Chemistry->SciMethod->Biology->Banking->Economics->Corporation->Medicine.
Deviations like Astro are ok if they are a net gain.
Let's see if I have this right...
The roster order is
1) Ronnie1 Up Now
2) Ozbenno On Deck
3) McArine
4) Sleepless
5) Conquistador63 Just Played
Re: tech path. I wouldn't rule out Astro just because of lack of trade routes. Are there resource trades we could get a benefit from?
Do we want to shoot for Economics for the free GM, or has that already gone?
I think we should gear our tech path for the optimal path to Corporations, eg, Guilds->Gunpowder->Chemistry->SciMethod->Biology->Banking->Economics->Corporation->Medicine.
Deviations like Astro are ok if they are a net gain.
Ronnie1
Deity
Not sure about Econ, can't see that far ahead yet. We could trade for Guilds if we wanted. It cost's us 145 gold to get Liberalism. We actually would benefit slightly from trade routes with Sitting Bull if we were to get Astro. He has 10 cities, and still running Decentralization. That of course could change at any time if he were to learn Banking.
EDIT: Hammurabi can research Economics, so we would need to trade for Guilds if we had any hope to get there first.
I want to put OxU in Lyons, it will easily surpass Paris in commerce very soon. Especially sooner/later when we go away from Bureaucracy.
EDIT: Hammurabi can research Economics, so we would need to trade for Guilds if we had any hope to get there first.
I want to put OxU in Lyons, it will easily surpass Paris in commerce very soon. Especially sooner/later when we go away from Bureaucracy.
Ronnie1
Deity
Can I get opinions on trading for Guilds now and trying to win the race to Economics for the free GM?
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