SGOTM 18 - Phoenix Rising

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

decisions to be made?

Washington Wealth? Monst could be useful for 10% science?
NY settler
Boston - Wealth or sistine. Maybe sistine for fail gold.
Sama/kara granary. I don't want to whip kara as it can run gold resource next turn.
OS Library
Phil whip library.
Besh. Could switch to settler and whip.

We may still be able to grab the iron spot if both GK and JoaII retreated settlers. I just can't see any culture from a new city near the iron. We have visibles there.

Overall I think we should play on and attack city after next turn once we have 10 pults to attack with. 5-6 should be ample for the job.

Izuul · Oct 19, 2013

Yep I think we need to spend the extra turn. Bombard with the healthy ones and let those others heal some.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

Time to play on I think. There are very few major decisions to make.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

Okay he has 6% defences left now. The bombard pult can deal with this next turn.

He has for some reason sent two kk onto hill where our Gspy is. Expect him to do something silly with these soon.

1 turn from Civil service.

We got a 2nd Gspy too. Good news I think. Perhaps use him to scout out GM.

3rd city of Mansa found. He has 1 roaming night.

Need culture in Turfan which is now out of order.

Use an engineer in Besh. It is 3 turns from a settler. Maybe 2 with an engineer.

Settler in NY built. Where to send it?

Spoiler :

Izuul · Oct 19, 2013

Time to run scientists in wash. We probably want to farm over the cottages there at some point too.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

So city builds??

Wash - wealth - run scientists. Keep the spy too?
NY - HE
Boston - Sis
OS Library
Besh - Settler after chop. - Run engineer.
Kara/Sam granary
Turfan culture
Phil wealth.

Are we agreed on these?

Settler? What to do?
We need to see defenders in his new city.

Anything I have missed??

Izuul · Oct 19, 2013

Gumbolt said:
So city builds??

Wash - wealth - run scientists. Keep the spy too? I'd ditch the spy, we need scientists from here on out if possible.
NY - HE
Boston - Sis
OS Library
Besh - Settler after chop. - Run engineer.
Kara/Sam granary
Turfan culture
Phil wealth.

Are we agreed on these? Everything else there looks good.

Settler? What to do?
We need to see defenders in his new city. One keshik and one spear will be defending. The same units that were escorting the settler 2 turns ago. The keshik may try to come towards OS or Besh and pillage now that the city is settled like they did last time he settled there. Our 2-move GG spear in Besh should be able to quash that though.

Anything I have missed??

We may be able to steal workers with HAs next turn after we take his city and the culture recedes. It depends on where he moves them next turn.

Our best HA is 42.5% against the axe in NS. If he doesn't reinforce we can take that city with 1-2 losses. We probably need 5 HA to be safe since he can whip there. We will have to see what's there next turn.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

Okay I will get on and play. Back in 10 mins or so. I will uopdate thread. Settler can stay put till spy can see what is there.

Izuul · Oct 19, 2013

Oh the settler, there are two immediate options that i see.

1) We can raze NS and Tabriz and resettle in a much better location that gets wheat and iron. 1S of iron looks nice. Pretty good production city long-term, and we only pay maintenance on 1 good city vs two mediocre cities. We also will have a bit less border tension with Joao there as Tabriz will be fighting Leiria for tiles.

2) Settle the FP cottage spot over by Philly. It may be awhile before we have workers to cottage them though, so i don't really like that one just yet.

Also, maybe we can wipe out these 2 GK cities, take peace for Compass leaving him with that new city, and then after 10 turns hopefully it will be size 2 so we can re-declare and capture it. It's really not that bad of a spot if you farm the FP and a couple of the river grassland tiles. It will leave him with metal for 10 turns though. Can we make peace for Compass after we take all of his cities??

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

Okay he has 5 defenders. 2 workers moved inside his other city. He has a roaming spear near his new city.

His 2 KK have vanished somewhere. Will attack city now using cr2 pults. Results incoming. Nervous but exciting times.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

Izuul said:
Oh the settler, there are two immediate options that i see.

1) We can raze NS and Tabriz and resettle in a much better location that gets wheat and iron. 1S of iron looks nice. Pretty good production city long-term, and we only pay maintenance on 1 good city vs two mediocre cities. We also will have a bit less border tension with Joao there as Tabriz will be fighting Leiria for tiles.

2) Settle the FP cottage spot over by Philly. It may be awhile before we have workers to cottage them though, so i don't really like that one just yet.

Also, maybe we can wipe out these 2 GK cities, take peace for Compass leaving him with that new city, and then after 10 turns hopefully it will be size 2 so we can re-declare and capture it. It's really not that bad of a spot if you farm the FP and a couple of the river grassland tiles. It will leave him with metal for 10 turns though. Can we make peace for Compass after we take all of his cities??

Not moved settler as i didn't know what roaming units awaited it. Let me do the attack. Option 1 sounds good. Option 2 requires some worker turns.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

We lost first 2 pults. Next 2 pults lived. We lost a third pult at 90% odds. The remaining melee units lived to tell the tale.

We have a great general to use somewhere.

I think we should fork his 2 remaining cities and place 1 HA on his iron. I doubt he has worked the other Iron that quickly.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

JoaII will trade machinery and Drama for CS and Music. I think we should do this.

Izuul · Oct 19, 2013

Yeah i think we can pull the trigger on that trade. Since we don't plan to fight Joao and can benefit from him killing GM and ShakaEvil units, giving him Bureau and maces is good, and we definitely need machinery.

Can you upload either at the end of this turn or the beginning of the next one so i can check out the battlefield?

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

I'll do trade and post save as a few things to talk about.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

Note GK two kk units below his city. Where are they going?

We can fork his cities so our 9 HA could attack either city? JoaII still has a romaing settler.

See what you think. None of the HA attacked his cities.

Spoiler :

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

He has axe,archer and 2 workers in NS. A worker was also below this city.
Edit
Lot of city micro to do. Kara can grab back food.
Turfan borders have now popped. It can run the mine.

Kara - It could run food resource over horse. We need to consider slow building granary or whipping it.

Our captured GK city has a settled priest. Nice extra 5 gold and 2 hammers on top of the copper. Sweet.

Izuul · Oct 19, 2013

OK, I'd say move our 6 HAs from the main stack onto the iron and prepare to take that city next turn. You can move one first if you want just to make sure the city is still vulnerable, but i imagine it will be.

Healthy cat from main stack that still have a move goes 2S to join our mini stack there. They can move out for Tabriz next turn with 3 cats, 2 HAs, 1 axe, 1 spear. Other units can catch up a turn later if needed. That will give the 3 cats one turn to bombard his 20% away.

Any HAs that aren't needed to take NS next turn can join that mini stack on the way to Tabriz as well.

Gumbolt · Oct 19, 2013

HE will likely whip one unit. His KK can't reach the city anyway. He can only whip archers.

Do we use great general on one of the units. Maybe upgrade an axe to a cr3 mace 2mp?

Izuul · Oct 19, 2013

Our GG needs to go to NY to get 5xp trebs IMO. Next one can go to a unit or something if we want. Trebs are going to be the key. We certainly need a handful of maces, a couple pikes, and maybe a couple Xbows, but trebs will do the heavy lifting and even our axes will be able to take out some defenders once the trebs are finishes doing their work.

Where are the settlers? I see one in NY, but for some reason i was thinking we had another. We need to get it up to Leiria asap so that we can settle that spot after razing cities before Joao does. It should be safe moving through Portuguese territory as long as we don't get it too close to the front line. Looks like 4-5 turns to get to that spot depend on what shape Joao's road network is in up there. I don't see roads all the way to Leiria but he may have build them since the last time we had visibility on those tiles.

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