SGOTM 18 - Unusual Suspects

astre · Nov 18, 2013

you can't declare now, you have to wait one turn

so position our troops ready for fight. As i said, big stack 1 N, small stack near the worker.

for tech, if you want to continue to tech at 0, please do not spread our beaker, you should stay on nat and choose the final tech after MM change.

Deckhand · Nov 18, 2013

astre said:
you can't declare now, you have to wait one turn so position our troops ready for fight. As i said, big stack 1 N, small stack near the worker.

for tech, if you want to continue to tech at 0, please do not spread our beaker, you should stay on nat and choose the final tech after MM change.

Agree about units.
We currently don't have any beakers invested in Nat. I'm ok with 0% on Natl, Educ or Printing Press - but we don't have consensus yet.

Pollina · Nov 18, 2013

0% Nat sounds fine.

Good luck!

SteelHorse · Nov 18, 2013

green - good luck

Trystero · Nov 18, 2013

Sorry - RL issues.

I am fine with research on Nationalism at 0%. Green for everything else.

Deckhand · Nov 18, 2013

OK, about to play.

Deckhand · Nov 18, 2013

Well, I didn't get far.

Pause conditions:
- Mansa or Joao makes peace with Dr. Evil

Joao made peace with Dr E and the two units moved as shown in screenshot.
Our Mace and Crossbow will be able to handle them after capturing the worker if they get too close. I moved the other crossbow toward Beshbalik and promoted & moved the chariot to our stack.

Do we need to discuss anything or play on?

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edit: I updated the test game by making the same moves and setting Joao to peace w Dr E. I reduced the culture in city N of ironside to allow our units to move to the hill.
I forgot to switch it from compass to Nationalism, is this one turn of not teching at 0 a problem? I can easily remake changes and update it again.

Pollina · Nov 19, 2013

Play on (if it's not too late). Just make sure to check for open borders between the two.

Deckhand · Nov 19, 2013

Well, I started to play on, but I am tired and going to sleep - I have a worker safety question.
I moved the eastern worker to the spices to chop that forest, then I realized it was next to GK's border. It's probably safe because when stack moves NE next turn, it will see if anything could threaten the worker and it could move away. Stopped to ask if I should move the crossbow on the road (just completed by other worker) to OS. (edit) xbow sh probably go there so that OS isn't defended by only one unit.

astre · Nov 19, 2013

i'd say: protect the worker with the OS spear and bring another defensor in old sarai as tile NE,NE from worker is impossible to monitor.

And good point to sleep over playing. we should never play while tired.

astre · Nov 20, 2013

24h without a post...

spam part of the post:

et un! et deux! et trois zero !

France qualified for football (soccer) world cup after a disastrous first match :banana:

just hope nobody here is from ukraine or sweeden...

SteelHorse · Nov 20, 2013

Vive la France. Don't mention it to kcd.
Watched a little of the US loss to Austria. A bit disappointing finish to the year.

Deckhand - are you out there?

Deckhand · Nov 20, 2013

sorry - I will play in about an hour

neilmeister · Nov 20, 2013

Allez le blues.... I am sitting in my hotel in the paradise of Cergy-Pontoise.

I wouldn't bother about more units for OS, the spear is enough. Once our stack approaches Beshabik, he will forget all about OS.
Maybe keep the xbow with the worker it is with while it roads to Beshabik.

Oh, with No Tech Brokering, the AI will refuse to be traded a tech if it is more than 50% complete, so we cant wait until they are 1 or 2 turns to go.

Deckhand · Nov 20, 2013

Deckhand said:
sorry - I will play in about an hour

My 1 hr mtg was more like two hours, so haven't played yet. I have an appointment in a half hour, but nothing else scheduled today and SGOTM will get done this afternoon.

neilmeister said:
Allez le blues.... I am sitting in my hotel in the paradise of Cergy-Pontoise.

I wouldn't bother about more units for OS, the spear is enough. Once our stack approaches Beshabik, he will forget all about OS.
Maybe keep the xbow with the worker it is with while it roads to Beshabik.

Oh, with No Tech Brokering, the AI will refuse to be traded a tech if it is more than 50% complete, so we cant wait until they are 1 or 2 turns to go.

So, there is time to respond to neil's comments (I will play in about 2 hours)
plan: sell Engineering with 2 turns to go - neil say AI won't buy; I will offer each turn, and sell at 3 if neil is wrong
plan: move crossbow on road to OS so spear can go to forest with worker - neil says don't bother, but do protect roading worker

btw, Dr Evil would make peace if we gave him 80 gold, but I think we want continued shared war with Mansa

neilmeister · Nov 20, 2013

Have we got a unit spare to capture GK's worker north of Ironsides??

If yes, then I am OK with moving the xbow towards OS and the spear to the worker.

Pollina · Nov 20, 2013

plan: sell Engineering with 2 turns to go - neil say AI won't buy; I will offer each turn, and sell at 3 if neil is wrong

Neil's right. It was mentioned on one of the first pages of this thread (can't find the post). I would prefer to sell when Mansa has 4 more turns to go. He could then tech something that is more useful for us.

astre said:
24h without a post...

spam part of the post:
et un! et deux! et trois zero !
France qualified for football (soccer) world cup after a disastrous first match

just hope nobody here is from ukraine or sweeden...

My team was already qualified, so I only got to watch them winning a comparably unexciting friendly in Wembley last night.

Glad France made it. (The last time we beat Ukraine in the play-offs, we reached the final at the World Cup.)

Deckhand · Nov 20, 2013

Playing
one more end of turn and Joao city captured by Goldmember

Pause conditions:
- Mansa or Joao makes peace with Dr. Evil
- New tempting tech, gold and map trades available
- Approaching Dr. Evil stack
- GK and Mansa open borders Very important to check! They like each other much better now that Mansa runs FR
- GK declares on Mansa
- Gandhi city captured by Goldmember

This isn't a listed pause condition and I am playing on.

D.E. sword and axe next to worker we will capture with mace and xB

edit: mansa 4 turns to Engineering, 130 gold, but he won't take it "We would have nothing to gain"

Deckhand · Nov 20, 2013

Beshbalik captured.
I've uploaded the game. Some, not all units have moved.
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_Suspects_SG018_AD0275_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

I will create a PPP for continuing onto Karakorum

Here is the Session Turn Log. I will find the BUFFY log and upload it.

Spoiler :

edit: argh, AUTOLOG has my turns from two days ago in the WOTM, but nothing for today! maybe it wasn't enabled, what is shortcut for BUFFY options?
I edited log above with blue color for noteworthy items, lost two units (felt like more)

Deckhand · Nov 20, 2013

Draft PPP T126-134

Objectives:
- Conquer Karakorum
- what else?

Research:
- Nationalism at 0, then either Education or Nationalism (which ever Mansa isn’t researching) or Printing Press?
- Espionage on Mansa

Diplo:
- be nice to Mansa
- accept begs from Joao
- more here?

City builds:
Washington: temple, Confu Missionary [switch citizens to cottages when temple built]
Fish City: library, settler
Pig City:, temple (whip now), treb??
Paradise Gate: temple, HE [note, considered whipping temple and decided we wanted the pop to work the hills when HE is built]
Ironside: Barracks (whip), treb?
Old Sarai: granary (chopped), library
Beshbalik: Granary

Units:
Worker (Genghis (in Ironside): mines for Ironside
Worker (Khan (in Beshbalik)): cottages for Old Sarai
Worker Bee: road to connect Ironside north to central Mongolian cities
Worker 4: plantation

Worker 3: cottages west of Washington then cottages in floodplain for future city ??
Worker 2: cottages west of Washington then road to stone ??
Where are we putting filler cities? 3W of Fish City and 3W of stone? Start preparing for these cities?

Triremes: stay on fish

Army: march north to Karakorum
Reserves: what should I do with xBows 7 & 8 and Ironside Garrison? Head to Karakorum or due north to see what GK has there? (note railroad tile)

Tao Missionary: spread Taoism in Washington for future monastery? now or when ready to build it? or save for something else?
Spy in TH: wait for something to steal (steal horseback riding?)
Spy near TH: wait in our borders until needed (should it do something else?)
Great Spy: infiltrate Trojan Horse – now or when needed?
Great General - become military instructor in Paradise Gate (?)

Pause conditions:
- Mansa makes peace with Dr. Evil
- Joao or Mansa opens borders with Dr. Evil
- New tempting tech, gold and map trades available
- Approaching Dr. Evil stack
- GK and Mansa open borders
- GK declares on Mansa
- Gandhi city captured by Goldmember
- another Joao city captured by Goldmember
- Anything else not previously discussed

Check Every Turn
Diplomatic situation
Trades available
(or let BUFFY tell me?)

More Questions:
What should I test in the test game?
I will update the test game now.
What else?

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