Ronnie1
Deity
This makes sense I guess. Would still wait to see what is in the forest tiles and what building(s) if any come with the city.
If there were a Deer in one of those forests would we keep it?
If the city came with a Granary maybe?
SGOTM 19 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts
- Thread starter AlanH
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If there were a Deer in one of those forests would we keep it?
If the city came with a Granary maybe?
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
If Angora has an extra food source, I would keep it. Pretty much any 2 food source city is well worth having. We can always conquer the barb city, or figure something else out to get the pigs.
A granary...hmmm. Tough choice. I really don't like Angora's location -- too much overlap with Lalibela, clams needing a border pop, not having the pigs, etc. I think I would raze it, but would not object too loudly if we kept it.
If no other food and no infra, then I would definitely burn the city and refound by the pigs.
Ronnie1
Deity
I'm with this idea.
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
Just took a look at post count for the various team threads. Shawshank Redemption is somewhat ahead of us, maybe 1/3 more posts. Phoenix Rising is an incredible 4x our post count! 
No idea what they are doing to generate that many posts. But we are pretty well ahead of the rest of the teams.
I think we are getting very good discussion and ideas.
The team experience is working very well -- I am having fun and learning a lot. 
No idea what they are doing to generate that many posts. But we are pretty well ahead of the rest of the teams.I think we are getting very good discussion and ideas.
The team experience is working very well -- I am having fun and learning a lot. McArine
King
Revamped the PPP with the input from everyone.
Took me more time than half a turnset....
Overall plans for the turnset: Improve economy, remove Asoka, remove Tokugawa.
Cities:
We will have stones in 5 turns, I think Angkor Wat for fail gold is ok at that time.
Structures before units, unless units finishes this turn.
I will build wealth when needed to keep strikes away. When not needed anymore, I'll build improvements, wonders for fail gold, libraries, or wealth for more research. Maybe also Forges, let's see what the discussion brings. And whip a Confusian(AP religion?) monestary, and spam missionaries(if we get it)
The Nut House: Switch to Market + whip -> Courthouse -> Finish War Elephant -> Weath. Keep two scientists.
Cold Ponies: Courthouse+ whip -> HE, for fail gold, AW for fail gold.
Sugar Suger: Courthouse + whip -> Finish WE -> Angkor Wat, for fail gold -> Weath -> Units?
Sheat: Switch to Market, whip when possible, sacrificing the scientists -> Courthouse -> Weath
Thessalonica: Courthouse + whip -> Monument -> WE. Take Const's ivory tile and focus on hammers
Constantinople: Market -> Courthouse -> Temple Fire 1 scientist when GS is born, grab corn back to grow, focus on food.
Clam Bake: Courthouse + whip -> Lighthouse -> Swordsman -> worker.
Nicaea: Courthouse + whip -> Finish Archer -> buildings. Reshuffle tiles, get elephants and Town from Thess. I will whip this, if maintenance gets to 10. This city wont really improve until chain irrigation.
Nicomedia: Monument -> Courthouse, whip when possible -> worker.
Aksum: unqueue the sword, Switch to Courthouse, whip when possible -> library -> monastery.
Lalibela: Courthouse + whip -> Monument -> Granary.
Addis Adaba: Courthouse + whip -> Library.
Workers:
Focus on Aksum and Constantinoble. Although I only see one more farm and a chop to do at Con, until CS for chain irrigation... Or what else should I build there?
Worker 5: Finish farm, join Worker 9.
Worker 9: Finish farm, workshops/ at Cold Ponies and The Nut House.
Worker 6: Finish farm, join Worker 3.
Worker 3: Finish farm, workshops at Cold Ponies and The Nut House.
Worker (by Con): Join Worker 4.
Worker 4: Finish farm, mines and workshops at Nicaea.
Worker 7: Finish farm, join Worker 2.
Worker 2: Finish chop, mine same tile, more mines.
Worker (by Nic): Finish farm, join worker 8.
Worker 8: Finish chop, mine the hill, more chops and cottages around Aksum.
Worker 1 + worker 10: Finish farms, chop and mine hill, chop and farm.
Units:
Will rebuild cities pr. Haphazards proposals.
If no other food and no infra, then I would definitely burn Angora and refound by the pigs.
Chrisian missionary to Constantinople.
Might get a bit short on Catapults, before I'm done...
This turn, declare on Asoka.
Take out the catapult at Trebizond, then grab the worker. Move on Trebizond next turn, with Swordsman, WE and Spearman reinforcements. Let settler follow along too.
Destroy archer at Lalibela, and move stack towards Angora. Unless there's something good in the forests, I will burn Angora. Keep moving on Iconuim, and burn it. Some reinforcements will be sent this way.
Rest moves towards Tokugawa, and finishes him off.
Burn Adulis, move Tokugawas last city to 1S of Sheep.
After this, prepare to take on the barbarians.
Spy, move north, to reveal the last tiles.
Scout, keep revealing the west.
I'll try to build another scout or spy for more exploration.
Research:
Keep on Civil Service -> Compas -> Paper -> Education.
Will bulp education, if I get that far...
Diplomacy:
Will play nice, accept any requests to declare on Toku, deny all other war requests.
Will not change religion, or civics.
Will not stop trading with anyone.
Will not give away techs.
Will give away resources.
Nice may be a strong word...
EP on HC
Trade:
Only trade Philosophy if we discover someone else is researching it, or someone researches it.
Try to trade for MC with shared war bonus, maybe trade aesth to Alex for his small change. It will gain us some diplo and might bump him to cautious. In a perfect world next turn we may be able to land a deal hbr+ lit for MC.
Stop conditions:
We win the game.
We get Democracy.
One of the other AI's declare on us (except Asoka and Toku)
Trade with Philosophy becomes an issue.
Ten turns have passed.
Break conditions:
Five turns have passed.
A GS, or whatever we get, is born.
Took me more time than half a turnset....
Overall plans for the turnset: Improve economy, remove Asoka, remove Tokugawa.
Cities:
We will have stones in 5 turns, I think Angkor Wat for fail gold is ok at that time.
Structures before units, unless units finishes this turn.
I will build wealth when needed to keep strikes away. When not needed anymore, I'll build improvements, wonders for fail gold, libraries, or wealth for more research. Maybe also Forges, let's see what the discussion brings. And whip a Confusian(AP religion?) monestary, and spam missionaries(if we get it)
The Nut House: Switch to Market + whip -> Courthouse -> Finish War Elephant -> Weath. Keep two scientists.
Cold Ponies: Courthouse+ whip -> HE, for fail gold, AW for fail gold.
Sugar Suger: Courthouse + whip -> Finish WE -> Angkor Wat, for fail gold -> Weath -> Units?
Sheat: Switch to Market, whip when possible, sacrificing the scientists -> Courthouse -> Weath
Thessalonica: Courthouse + whip -> Monument -> WE. Take Const's ivory tile and focus on hammers
Constantinople: Market -> Courthouse -> Temple Fire 1 scientist when GS is born, grab corn back to grow, focus on food.
Clam Bake: Courthouse + whip -> Lighthouse -> Swordsman -> worker.
Nicaea: Courthouse + whip -> Finish Archer -> buildings. Reshuffle tiles, get elephants and Town from Thess. I will whip this, if maintenance gets to 10. This city wont really improve until chain irrigation.
Nicomedia: Monument -> Courthouse, whip when possible -> worker.
Aksum: unqueue the sword, Switch to Courthouse, whip when possible -> library -> monastery.
Lalibela: Courthouse + whip -> Monument -> Granary.
Addis Adaba: Courthouse + whip -> Library.
Workers:
Focus on Aksum and Constantinoble. Although I only see one more farm and a chop to do at Con, until CS for chain irrigation... Or what else should I build there?
Worker 5: Finish farm, join Worker 9.
Worker 9: Finish farm, workshops/ at Cold Ponies and The Nut House.
Worker 6: Finish farm, join Worker 3.
Worker 3: Finish farm, workshops at Cold Ponies and The Nut House.
Worker (by Con): Join Worker 4.
Worker 4: Finish farm, mines and workshops at Nicaea.
Worker 7: Finish farm, join Worker 2.
Worker 2: Finish chop, mine same tile, more mines.
Worker (by Nic): Finish farm, join worker 8.
Worker 8: Finish chop, mine the hill, more chops and cottages around Aksum.
Worker 1 + worker 10: Finish farms, chop and mine hill, chop and farm.
Units:
Will rebuild cities pr. Haphazards proposals.
If no other food and no infra, then I would definitely burn Angora and refound by the pigs.
Chrisian missionary to Constantinople.
Might get a bit short on Catapults, before I'm done...
This turn, declare on Asoka.
Take out the catapult at Trebizond, then grab the worker. Move on Trebizond next turn, with Swordsman, WE and Spearman reinforcements. Let settler follow along too.
Destroy archer at Lalibela, and move stack towards Angora. Unless there's something good in the forests, I will burn Angora. Keep moving on Iconuim, and burn it. Some reinforcements will be sent this way.
Rest moves towards Tokugawa, and finishes him off.
Burn Adulis, move Tokugawas last city to 1S of Sheep.
After this, prepare to take on the barbarians.
Spy, move north, to reveal the last tiles.
Scout, keep revealing the west.
I'll try to build another scout or spy for more exploration.
Research:
Keep on Civil Service -> Compas -> Paper -> Education.
Will bulp education, if I get that far...
Diplomacy:
Will play nice, accept any requests to declare on Toku, deny all other war requests.
Will not change religion, or civics.
Will not stop trading with anyone.
Will not give away techs.
Will give away resources.
Nice may be a strong word...
EP on HC
Trade:
Only trade Philosophy if we discover someone else is researching it, or someone researches it.
Try to trade for MC with shared war bonus, maybe trade aesth to Alex for his small change. It will gain us some diplo and might bump him to cautious. In a perfect world next turn we may be able to land a deal hbr+ lit for MC.
Stop conditions:
We win the game.
We get Democracy.
One of the other AI's declare on us (except Asoka and Toku)
Trade with Philosophy becomes an issue.
Ten turns have passed.
Break conditions:
Five turns have passed.
A GS, or whatever we get, is born.
Ronnie1
Deity
Comments in dark green today.
EDIT: Dark Green does not show up well.
But BOLDED dark green should be better!
Revamped the PPP with the input from everyone.
Took me more time than half a turnset....
Overall plans for the turnset: Improve economy, remove Asoka, remove Tokugawa.
Yep
Cities:
We will have stones in 5 turns, I think Angkor Wat for fail gold is ok at that time.
If we have stone + the spare hammers, sure!
Structures before units, unless units finishes this turn.
I will build wealth when needed to keep strikes away. When not needed anymore, I'll build improvements, wonders for fail gold, libraries, or wealth for more research. Maybe also Forges, let's see what the discussion brings. And whip a Confusian(AP religion?) monestary, and spam missionaries(if we get it)
The Nut House: Switch to Market + whip -> Courthouse -> Finish War Elephant -> Weath. Keep two scientists.
Don't think we need to whip here do we? Are we up against the happy cap and I missed that?
Cold Ponies: Courthouse+ whip -> HE, for fail gold, AW for fail gold.
I like this plan. If you add 2 pop worker whips from 7-5 with the overflow gowing to HE or AW I would like it even more.
Sugar Suger: Courthouse + whip -> Finish WE -> Angkor Wat, for fail gold -> Weath -> Units?
Again, not sure we want to whip away pop in these core cities. Especially so if we intend to start a Golden Age soonish, in which case we will want as much pop as possible.
Sheat: Switch to Market, whip when possible, sacrificing the scientists -> Courthouse -> Weath
Thessalonica: Courthouse + whip -> Monument -> WE. Take Const's ivory tile and focus on hammers
I like Constan keeping the Ivory short term. There is soooo much to build there. I really see this as a hybrid city. It already has some cottages. Library here for sure. We will need 6 Uni sites and this is a decent one. We can add some farms and mines around those and let this city grow up.
Constantinople: Market -> Courthouse -> Temple Fire 1 scientist when GS is born, grab corn back to grow, focus on food.
As nocho suggested, try to dump some MP units here for happy and grow this as big as we can asap while building/chopping(are there any forests left here) the structures.
Clam Bake: Courthouse + whip -> Lighthouse -> Swordsman -> worker.
Nicaea: Courthouse + whip -> Finish Archer -> buildings. Reshuffle tiles, get elephants and Town from Thess. I will whip this, if maintenance gets to 10. This city wont really improve until chain irrigation.
I would chop both forests into the CH here, we should get it in 6-7 turns.
Nicomedia: Monument -> Courthouse, whip when possible -> worker.
Aksum: unqueue the sword, Switch to Courthouse, whip when possible -> library -> monastery.
Lalibela: Courthouse + whip -> Monument -> Granary.
I would whip the monument now. Speeds up border pop and allows access to food here sooner. I would prioritize this cities development #3 behind Aksum and Constantinople when assigning worker actions. Since it is still small, Granary chopped/whipped before CH might be more efficient.
Addis Adaba: Courthouse + whip -> Library.
Workers:
Focus on Aksum and Constantinoble. Although I only see one more farm and a chop to do at Con, until CS for chain irrigation... Or what else should I build there?
Worker 5: Finish farm, join Worker 9.
Worker 9: Finish farm, workshops/ at Cold Ponies and The Nut House.
Worker 6: Finish farm, join Worker 3.
Worker 3: Finish farm, workshops at Cold Ponies and The Nut House.
Worker (by Con): Join Worker 4.
Worker 4: Finish farm, mines and workshops at Nicaea.
Worker 7: Finish farm, join Worker 2.
Worker 2: Finish chop, mine same tile, more mines.
Worker (by Nic): Finish farm, join worker 8.
Worker 8: Finish chop, mine the hill, more chops and cottages around Aksum.
Worker 1 + worker 10: Finish farms, chop and mine hill, chop and farm.
There are 4 workers not listed and I trust you!
Units:
Will rebuild cities pr. Haphazards proposals.
If no other food and no infra, then I would definitely burn Angora and refound by the pigs.
Chrisian missionary to Constantinople.
Might get a bit short on Catapults, before I'm done...
This turn, declare on Asoka.
Take out the catapult at Trebizond, then grab the worker. Move on Trebizond next turn, with Swordsman, WE and Spearman reinforcements. Let settler follow along too.
Destroy archer at Lalibela, and move stack towards Angora. Unless there's something good in the forests, I will burn Angora. Keep moving on Iconuim, and burn it. Some reinforcements will be sent this way.
Rest moves towards Tokugawa, and finishes him off.
Burn Adulis, move Tokugawas last city to 1S of Sheep.
After this, prepare to take on the barbarians.
Spy, move north, to reveal the last tiles.
Scout, keep revealing the west.
I'll try to build another scout or spy for more exploration.
As far as attacking Asoka. You may want to wait just a turn or 2 to see if Alex asks us to join. You could use this time to position some troops at the 3rd city so they all fall roughly the same turn.
Research:
Keep on Civil Service -> Compas -> Paper -> Education.
Will bulp education, if I get that far...
Diplomacy:
Will play nice, accept any requests to declare on Toku, deny all other war requests.
Will not change religion, or civics.
Will not stop trading with anyone.
Will not give away techs.
Will give away resources.
Nice may be a strong word...
EP on HC
EP onto Capac for sure.
Trade:
Only trade Philosophy if we discover someone else is researching it, or someone researches it.
Try to trade for MC with shared war bonus, maybe trade aesth to Alex for his small change. It will gain us some diplo and might bump him to cautious. In a perfect world next turn we may be able to land a deal hbr+ lit for MC.
IF Alex would trade, Aesth + HBR should be enough to get MC. If we need to sell Aesth cheap to get him to trade, you may have to put a turn of research into MC to make a Lit + HBR trade possible.
Stop conditions:
We win the game.
We get Democracy.
One of the other AI's declare on us (except Asoka and Toku)
Trade with Philosophy becomes an issue.
Ten turns have passed.
Break conditions:
Five turns have passed.
A GS, or whatever we get, is born.
Yes please.
EDIT: Dark Green does not show up well.
But BOLDED dark green should be better!
For now I'd stick with full scientists in Const and keep all food tiles, hence do not whip under size 5 if at all. This would mean break in 4 turns when GS is born. I'd go CH first here too.
Lalibella IIRC could finish monument quickly for sooner border pop.
Generally looks quite allright! Hope to have a more detailed look later.
Lalibella IIRC could finish monument quickly for sooner border pop.
Generally looks quite allright! Hope to have a more detailed look later.
adrianj
Deity
Looks like a good PPP McArine
My thoughts on razing/settling cities:
I really like haphazard's idea of settling the clam city on the southern coast. He made a good point that Constantinople won't be using its mines, and that is absolutely correct. IF Angora has more food in the fog, then I think keep it however.
As nocho noted, claiming the northern pigs can only be done by either capturing the barb city, or settling a new one. I agree, that the latter option will be quicker.
In the south, I like option A as well, the one that Ron has done the dotmap for.
(In case some players don't know how, you can add dotmaps using ALT+X. I think it's that... might be CTRL+X...)
My preferences in summary:
My thoughts on razing/settling cities:
I really like haphazard's idea of settling the clam city on the southern coast. He made a good point that Constantinople won't be using its mines, and that is absolutely correct. IF Angora has more food in the fog, then I think keep it however.
As nocho noted, claiming the northern pigs can only be done by either capturing the barb city, or settling a new one. I agree, that the latter option will be quicker.
In the south, I like option A as well, the one that Ron has done the dotmap for.
(In case some players don't know how, you can add dotmaps using ALT+X. I think it's that... might be CTRL+X...)
My preferences in summary:
- IF Angora has food in the fog, KEEP Angora.
- Else RAZE Angora
- RAZE Iconium
- SETTLE on city ruins SE of pigs
- RAZE Trebizond
- SETTLE 1N of the deer
Well I usually use red so will stick with that one
Also keep an eye on resource trades. Especially if we can get trade routes with HC. Note to all I think we need to revamp these shortly as we are giving out some good deals. Of course the problem lies when you cancel a deal and you can't get the same money when you try again..
Also keep an eye on resource trades. Especially if we can get trade routes with HC. Note to all I think we need to revamp these shortly as we are giving out some good deals. Of course the problem lies when you cancel a deal and you can't get the same money when you try again..
adrianj
Deity
Looks like you are good to go McArine. Good luck! 
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
Looks like a solid plan, McArine!
I will agree with others' comments that we should not whip aggressively in NH and SS. Courthouses maybe, but not a huge whip like a market. We will need these cities' high hammer output for wealth building -- even once we build a round of courthouses our economy is likely to be barely at breakeven cash at 0%, if it is even that good.
Good luck!
I will agree with others' comments that we should not whip aggressively in NH and SS. Courthouses maybe, but not a huge whip like a market. We will need these cities' high hammer output for wealth building -- even once we build a round of courthouses our economy is likely to be barely at breakeven cash at 0%, if it is even that good.
Good luck!
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
Congrats to sleepless for taking the bronze in GOTM99!
And also to Ronnie1 for picking up a shield for his domination victory!
Nice work. I am going to have to find my vanilla Civ IV disc so I can participate in GOTM100. I know I have it around here someplace....
And also to Ronnie1 for picking up a shield for his domination victory!
Nice work.
I am going to have to find my vanilla Civ IV disc so I can participate in GOTM100. I know I have it around here someplace.... McArine
King
I will play in 8-10 hours from now, using the plan with comments.
Congrats to sleepless for taking the bronze in GOTM99!
And also to Ronnie1 for picking up a shield for his domination victory!
Nice work.
Thanks...
Shame your not close as you could have borrowed my discs.. I've already finished that one. Edit. Good Luck McArine.
Just a thought as well. See if our shared military bonus when you declare on Asoka gets Alex to Open Borders. If it does hopefully will allow foreign trade routes with HC and Alex boosting us a bit. Allowing more options to trade resources as well.
Also I would re-arrange resource trades with KK if our ivory gold trade is up for renewal. Obviously we still want gold but might be able to pick up deer or something better.
@BSPollux just a small thing as I know your not used to BTS but when making resource/trade deals. Don't use the "would you accept this deal" line. Rather use the "what would make this deal work". That will give you an idea what the AI will give for the deal. As I mentioned KK would have given gold plus 1 gold per turn for ivory. From what I can tell were not getting the gold per turn. Not alot of difference but these little things all add up. I think i've got the wording for the deals right..
Also I would re-arrange resource trades with KK if our ivory gold trade is up for renewal. Obviously we still want gold but might be able to pick up deer or something better.
@BSPollux just a small thing as I know your not used to BTS but when making resource/trade deals. Don't use the "would you accept this deal" line. Rather use the "what would make this deal work". That will give you an idea what the AI will give for the deal. As I mentioned KK would have given gold plus 1 gold per turn for ivory. From what I can tell were not getting the gold per turn. Not alot of difference but these little things all add up. I think i've got the wording for the deals right..
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
Thanks...
I've never figured out how some people play a game of Civ so quickly.
A "quick" game for me tends to be 10 hours or so. And I have my disc for vanilla Civ IV...somewhere...just not sure where. I moved a few months back and have not needed it until now, since I mostly play BtS. So I need to figure out which box it is in...too much stuff is still not unpacked.
I've never figured out how some people play a game of Civ so quickly.
(
I must admit the only game I spend any time on are the SGOTM's. Even XOTM's I tend to rush through. Think my reults might be better if I actually took some time. Then again perhaps not..
Also feel the unpacking though I only moved a a mile or so recently still lots to unpack and sort out..
McArine
King
Playing, got all the courthouses set up, moved the units, hit enter. And Napeleon begs for corn. As per the PPP I agree.
Turn 1:
HC completes the MoM, and he will trade Calendar. Nothing to trade with so no Calendar yet.
I start the war with Asoka.
Turn 2:
Angora is ours. It has a Lighthouse. There was nothing in the fog, I decide to raze.
Open borders with Alex.
Trebizonds defenses were at 4% when I got to it. Asoka gets a GG in Trebizond, about to die, he is. And we get a GG too Trebizond is burned. Right on time, Alexander had a stack ready for attack on the other side.
Christianity is spread in Con.
I put a turn of research into calendar, to prepare a trade with Napoleon.
Turn 3:
Amsterdam is founded.
The first couple of whips are done.
Back to Civil Service
Turn 4:
GG is camping in SS atm.
I've captured 3 of Asokas workers so far.
I've got units ready to move towards Con and Toku, the rest will clean up Asoka next turn.
And we've got the GS, so on a break now.
Turn 1:
HC completes the MoM, and he will trade Calendar. Nothing to trade with so no Calendar yet.
I start the war with Asoka.
Turn 2:
Angora is ours. It has a Lighthouse. There was nothing in the fog, I decide to raze.
Open borders with Alex.
Trebizonds defenses were at 4% when I got to it. Asoka gets a GG in Trebizond, about to die, he is. And we get a GG too
Trebizond is burned. Right on time, Alexander had a stack ready for attack on the other side.Christianity is spread in Con.
I put a turn of research into calendar, to prepare a trade with Napoleon.
Turn 3:
Amsterdam is founded.
The first couple of whips are done.
Back to Civil Service
Turn 4:
GG is camping in SS atm.
I've captured 3 of Asokas workers so far.
I've got units ready to move towards Con and Toku, the rest will clean up Asoka next turn.
And we've got the GS, so on a break now.
McArine
King
Turnlog:
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