SGOTM 20 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

[adrianj]

Can we see what units Suli has in Rheims? It can't be all that many. Though it is annoying that he will have copper access to build Spears there. We will not be able to cut it off, nor can we block his trade routes. An axe is a worthwhile build. Do we have any nearby to go in the galley already?

I didn't notice that Istanbul already has a galley waiting. I guess a second one is in fact not required. Our bottleneck is available units, including an axe.

 

[Ronnie1]

1 Axe has been produced in SL and is on its way SE.

There were 3 units there if I remember right. I'll go back and look at an autosave/

 

[McArine]

Good to see you again Sleepless hope you is doing better.
Edited with new suggestions, playing now.
Revised PPP, planning to play in 8-12 hours from now. Changes in red.

Primary Goals

- Conquer Suleiman!

Research and Tech Trading

- Mathematics. What should I trade away and for what?, if any trade becomes available.

Diplomacy

- Open borders with Peter, if scouting warrior reaches his lands and can pass otherwise.
- Keep an eye on possible resource deals.
- Favoured list is: Catherine, Victoria, Julius, Louis. Accept requests from these, deny requests against these.
- Cancel Open borders with Napoleon, when available.

Worker Actions

- Alex and Dwight connect Iron. Then prechop, or pasture cows and horses at MA.
- Billy and Charlie finish mine, then prechop around CS.
- Captured workes to be renamed.
- Two in Edirne to pasture cows at Istanbul, then mines at Edirne.
- Two in homeland, prechop, and a cottage or two around SL and HF, as military cover permits.

City Builds and Management

- SL builds HAs.
- HF builds HAs.
- CS builds HAs.
- Try to squeeze in another axe build.
- MA finishes barracks, then stables.
- Istanbul builds granary.
- Edirne build granary.

Unit Management

- Warrior to the west, continue scouting west.
- Scout continue towards the east.

War Planning

- Heal troops in Edirne.
- Axeman towards Bursa, stack to stand on Silver, as it's the best tile. Or try to move them away while threatening another city.
- Move HA in CS to the front.
- Chariot in MA to move to the front.
- Prepare to take Ankara and Rheims.
- Try to sneak attack the axemen with chariots.

Miscellaneous

- Do we keep all EP on Catherine?
- Pray to the RNG god.

Stopping Conditions

- Any close neighbor declares war or goes WHEOOHRN.
- Meet the final AI and can learn the hidden objective.
- Serious threat (AI or barb) to any of our cities.
- Something unexpected.

 

[nocho]

I hope all is well, Sleepless. In any case, good to see you back. Take care.

 

[haphazard1]

Updated PPP looks fine to me, McArine. Good luck!

 

[Ronnie1]

CS builds HAs. Try to set up a three pop library whip, at pop 8.

I would not whip a Library in CS. This is basically a production city with a silver bonus amd not a commerce city imo. I would continue to build units here.

- Axeman towards Bursa, stack to stand on Silver, as it's the best tile.

That current Axe is/was destined for the galley and Rheims with an HA to pillage away. We kind of want to ignore Bursa imo and hope those troops move out into the open so we can kill them.

Rest of the PPP

 

[nocho]

Agree with Ronnie's remarks. How many turns are you gonna play? Maybe if you go full throttle on maths, a good intermediate stopping point is when we get that (5-6 turns)?

I would also like to give a thought to capturing the barb city of Ghuzz after capturing Ankara. 4 (!) food resources and some hills, will make for an excellent city. Could even be a future NE city if it weren't for Marble Arch... Flat land too, so I'd actually make it an intermediate priority.

Also, where did the barb triremes go? Maybe we can contemplate a workboat at MA/HF just to see how long and whether a fishing net survives?

 

[haphazard1]

Also, where did the barb triremes go? Maybe we can contemplate a workboat at MA/HF just to see how long and whether a fishing net survives?

Barb naval units can "see" targets from 8 tiles away, if I am recalling correctly. So the little sea around the barb island city is not big enough for them to not react to a work boat. It might be possible to get them to chase a work boat out the passage south and away from our area. If we could lead both triremes away then we might be able to start improving our seafood.

 

[Sleepless]

Thanks for the thoughts. Everything seems to be going really well so hopefully no more problems!!

Bursa. I think if we move the chariot/archer combo away a couple of archers will move out. Especially if we are threatening another city.

2 axes west of Edirne. Need to be careful of those as most/all of the units in Edirne are wounded.

PPP seems good. Def like to see more HA's though rather than libraries as Ronnie1 mentioned.

Good Luck McArine.

 

[McArine]

Things went pretty well.
We got Ankara, and have the first troops on land at Rheims. Defense is atm 2 archers.
Three units moved out of Bursa, the two axes and an archer. We have them surrounded atm. We can kill them next turn, but it'll be costly.
Oh, and we got a GG

Turnlog:

Spoiler :

Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Suleiman's Axeman (4.76)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Combat Odds: 80.0%
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (6.60) vs Suleiman's Axeman (4.18)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Combat Odds: 91.4%
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 23 (53/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 23 (30/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 23 (7/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has defeated Suleiman's Axeman!
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) (2.92) vs Suleiman's Axeman (0.75)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Class Attack: -100%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 30 (1/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 30 (0/100HP)
Turn 90, 625 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) has defeated Suleiman's Axeman!
Turn 90, 625 BC: You have captured Edirne!!!

Turn 93, 550 BC: Horse Farm can hurry Axeman for 1⇴ with 29ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Copper Summit has grown to size 6.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Copper Summit has become unhappy.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Edirne has been pacified.
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) (6.00) vs Suleiman's Archer (6.60)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Combat Odds: 32.2%
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) has defeated Suleiman's Archer!
Turn 93, 550 BC: Your Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) (7.20) vs Suleiman's Archer (6.60)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Combat Odds: 67.6%
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit)!
Turn 93, 550 BC: Hamilcar Barca (Great General) has been born in Ankara (Suleiman)!
Turn 93, 550 BC: Your Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) has died trying to attack a Archer!
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (6.60) vs Suleiman's Archer (5.28)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Combat Odds: 84.3%
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (59/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (38/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (17/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 93, 550 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has defeated Suleiman's Archer!
Turn 93, 550 BC: Your Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 93, 550 BC: You have captured Ankara!!!
Turn 93, 550 BC: The Temple of Artemis has been built in a far away land!

Turn 94, 525 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Copper Summit!
Turn 94, 525 BC: Copper Summit can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 94, 525 BC: Victoria will trade Polytheism
Turn 94, 525 BC: Antoine Laurent Lavoisier (Great Scientist) has been born in a far away land!

Turn 95, 500 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Copper Summit!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Silver Lining can hurry Horse Archer for 2⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 13 turns.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Catherine will trade Polytheism
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) (6.00) vs Suleiman's Axeman (9.25)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Combat Odds: 9.2%
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Jeanne d'Arc (Great General) has been born in Copper Summit (Mehmed)!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Your Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) has withdrawn from combat with a Axeman!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) (6.00) vs Suleiman's Axeman (9.25)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Combat Odds: 9.2%
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining)!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Your Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) has died trying to attack a Axeman!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Silver Lining will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 95, 500 BC: Istanbul will grow to size 3 on the next turn.

Buffy log:

Spoiler :

Turn 90/500 (625 BC) [26-Aug-2014 19:58:04]
Istanbul begins: Granary (10 turns)
0% Research: 0 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
100% Gold: 13 per turn, 246 in the bank

After End Turn:
Copper Summit grows to size 7

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Victoria (England) towards Napoleon (France), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 91/500 (600 BC) [26-Aug-2014 19:59:39]
A Mine was built near Copper Summit
100% Research: 57 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -37 per turn, 259 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Copper Summit
Silver Lining grows to size 7
Horse Farm finishes: Horse Archer
Copper Summit finishes: Horse Archer
Marble Arch grows to size 3

Turn 92/500 (575 BC) [26-Aug-2014 20:13:05]
Horse Farm begins: Axeman (3 turns)
Copper Summit begins: Horse Archer (4 turns)
A Pasture was built near Istanbul
100% Research: 59 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -40 per turn, 235 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Horse Farm
Copper Summit grows to size 6
Copper Summit finishes: Horse Archer

Turn 93/500 (550 BC) [26-Aug-2014 20:18:02]
Copper Summit begins: Horse Archer (4 turns)
Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) promoted: Flanking I
Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) promoted: Flanking II
While attacking, Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) decimates Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 32.2%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Horse Archer 13 (Copper Summit) (2.40/6) defeats Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 32.2%)
While attacking, Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) escapes from Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 67.6%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Horse Archer 9 (Copper Summit) loses to Ottoman Archer (2.40/3) (Prob Victory: 67.6%)
While attacking, Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) decimates Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 84.3%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (0.60/6) defeats Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 84.3%)
Captured Ankara (Suleiman)
Ankara begins: Granary (61 turns)
100% Research: 63 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -48 per turn, 310 in the bank

After End Turn:
Silver Lining finishes: Horse Archer
Istanbul finishes: Granary

Turn 94/500 (525 BC) [26-Aug-2014 20:25:11]
Diplomacy: Augustus Caesar (Rome) offers to trade Open Borders to Mehmed (Ottomans) for Open Borders
Diplomacy: Peter (Russia) offers to trade Meditation to Mehmed (Ottomans) for Iron Working
Silver Lining begins: Horse Archer (5 turns)
Istanbul begins: Barracks (10 turns)
Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) promoted: Combat II
Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) promoted: Shock
Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) promoted: Flanking I
Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) promoted: Flanking II
100% Research: 63 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -49 per turn, 262 in the bank

After End Turn:
Horse Farm finishes: Axeman
Marble Arch finishes: Barracks

Turn 95/500 (500 BC) [26-Aug-2014 20:36:11]
Diplomacy (Embargo Request): Augustus Caesar (Rome) asks Mehmed (Ottomans) to stop trading with Julius Caesar (Rome); Mehmed REFUSES.
Horse Farm begins: Horse Archer (5 turns)
Marble Arch begins: Stable (9 turns)
Chariot 2 (Horse Farm) promoted: Flanking I
Jeanne d'Arc (Great General) born in Copper Summit
While attacking, Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) escapes from Ottoman Axeman (Prob Victory: 9.2%)
Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) promoted: Flanking I
Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) promoted: Flanking II
While attacking, Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) escapes from Ottoman Axeman (Prob Victory: 9.2%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Copper Summit, Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) loses to Ottoman Axeman (3.40/5) (Prob Victory: 9.2%)
Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) promoted: Combat I

I plan to play the last 5 turns in about 24 hours from now.

 

[adrianj]

A Great General. Do we want a Chariot super medic? Consider building a fresh chariot in a city that has a Stable for the purpose.

How many troops ready for Rheims? My guess is we should attack with twice as many units as there are defenders. If it stays at 2 archers then I'm hopeful that 3 HAs + axe are enough.

By capturing Ankara, I'm guessing Bursa is now cut off from copper. Good thing.

We should send some more workers down to former Suli lands. Edirne has lots of Jungle to clear. Perhaps Edirne's first build should be a monument, not granary. Get those gems connected ASAP. (It's unclear if capturing Rheims will claim the gems, with French culture encroaching Napoleon's capital currently has only 3 rings - gems should be fine)

 

[nocho]

Looking quite good.

Two things:
- Get fur for deer from Peter now! Extra happy is huge.
- Work that wheat in HF at all times. Growing into unhappy is not a reason not to work it. With an extra fur less so.

Still would like to get Ghuzz pretty much asap. Should be easy and looks great.

I might be tempted to capture Rheims and just extort Poly and Med from Sulei.

Edirne probably should get Istanbul's cow and the latter work farms.

I'd still be tempted for a workboat if McA hasn't spotted barb triremes recently. Those might've perished by now to multiple french galleys. Note even Sulei has a galley. If we could build fish nets while we don't we're missing out on huge piles of food. At least worth a try imo.

 

[Ronnie1]

Looks good overall McA!

I think Louis may have killed off the barb Triremes. I think we should build at least 1 WB ASAP in MA.

If there is no spear in Rheims next turn, I would consider attacking with the HA and the Axe. The HA will get decent odds after a CII promo, and they Axe may also after that. You can land 2 more HA's that turn and at least 1 the next.

What are we researching after Math?

I would chop the jungles off the Elephants at Edrine asap!

A Sentry promo unit standing on the pigs at Rheims should give visibility of the barb island city.

About the situation at CS and the GG. Those units may attack IBT, our HA with the shock promo will get good odds against the first axe for sure. I think it more likely that they heal and don't move. I would let those units attack CS and then kill what is left. If they move to one of the improved hills then I would kill them there.

 

[Sleepless]

Still trying to catch up but a few comments...

Tech.

Currency after math seems reasonable to me.

Great General.. Super Medic seems best for the first one. I guess we are planning more wars shortly..

Istanbul. Load the HA's onto the galley this turn then we can unload next turn by Rheims.

If the triremes have gone which seems reasonable. Getting some workboats out seems a good idea now Suly has basically gone.

I guess as already mentioned all the religions are in barb cities with the island city and one to the West having at least 1 religion each.

No prizes for guessing the missing AI is Liz (guess that's already been mentioned as well. ).

 

[McArine]

Things went well. We got Rheims and Ghuzz, and took peace with Mehmed.
The triremes are gone, and we should attack Sindhu Island soon, there's only 4 archers defending.
Most units are unmoved, so the next player can put them where needed.

Turnlog:

Spoiler :

Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) (6.00) vs Suleiman's Axeman (9.25)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Combat Odds: 9.2%
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Jeanne d'Arc (Great General) has been born in Copper Summit (Mehmed)!
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) (6.00) vs Suleiman's Axeman (9.25)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Combat Odds: 9.2%
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining) is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 95, 500 BC: Suleiman's Axeman has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 17 (Silver Lining)!

Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) (7.20) vs Suleiman's Archer (6.15)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Combat Odds: 71.7%
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Fortify: +15%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) has defeated Suleiman's Archer!
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) (5.00) vs Suleiman's Archer (5.25)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Combat Odds: 28.8%
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer has defeated Mehmed's Axeman 1 (Silver Lining)!
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Suleiman's Archer (0.36)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) has defeated Suleiman's Archer!
Turn 96, 475 BC: You have captured Rheims!!!
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) (6.60) vs Suleiman's Axeman (4.62)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Combat Odds: 88.8%
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 22 (62/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 22 (40/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 22 (18/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) has defeated Suleiman's Axeman!
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) (6.00) vs Suleiman's Axeman (4.59)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Combat Odds: 85.9%
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 20 (48/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) (5.50) vs Suleiman's Archer (4.50)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Combat Odds: 68.6%
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Hills Defense: +25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Archer is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) has defeated Suleiman's Archer!
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) (4.40) vs Suleiman's Axeman (1.45)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: (Class Attack: -100%)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 27 (21/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) is hit for 14 (72/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Suleiman's Axeman is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 96, 475 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) has defeated Suleiman's Axeman!
Turn 96, 475 BC: You have made peace with Suleiman!
Turn 96, 475 BC: You have discovered Meditation!
Turn 96, 475 BC: You have discovered Polytheism!
Turn 96, 475 BC: You have discovered Mathematics!

Turn 97, 450 BC: The borders of Marble Arch have expanded!
Turn 97, 450 BC: Augustus Caesar has declared war on Julius Caesar!

Turn 98, 425 BC: Silver Lining has become happy.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Ankara has been pacified.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Ankara can hurry Granary for 2⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Julius Caesar has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Horse Farm will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 98, 425 BC: Marble Arch will grow to size 4 on the next turn.

Turn 99, 400 BC: Silver Lining can hurry Swordsman for 1⇴ with 20ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Horse Farm has grown to size 6.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Copper Summit can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 12 turns.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Marble Arch has grown to size 4.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Ankara can hurry Monument for 1⇴ with 4ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (7.20) vs Barbarian's Archer (5.55)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Combat Odds: 76.9%
Turn 99, 400 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 99, 400 BC: (Fortify: +15%)
Turn 99, 400 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has defeated Barbarian's Archer!
Turn 99, 400 BC: Your Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Barbarian's Archer (5.25)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Combat Odds: 75.3%
Turn 99, 400 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 99, 400 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 99, 400 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 99, 400 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) has defeated Barbarian's Archer!
Turn 99, 400 BC: Your Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 99, 400 BC: You have captured Ghuzz!!!
Turn 99, 400 BC: Istanbul will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 99, 400 BC: Edirne will grow to size 2 on the next turn.

Turn 100, 375 BC: Silver Lining will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Marble Arch can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 19ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Istanbul has grown to size 4.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Istanbul can hurry Barracks for 1⇴ with 3ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Edirne has grown to size 2.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Edirne can hurry Monument for 1⇴ with 20ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Ankara can hurry Granary for 1⇴ with 4ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 100, 375 BC: Rheims will be pacified on the next turn.

Buffy log:

Spoiler :

Turn 95/500 (500 BC) [27-Aug-2014 22:07:15]
Marble Arch begins: Work Boat (5 turns)
Edirne begins: Monument (10 turns)
100% Research: 66 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -49 per turn, 213 in the bank

After End Turn:
Silver Lining grows to size 8
Horse Farm grows to size 5
Copper Summit finishes: Horse Archer

Turn 96/500 (475 BC) [27-Aug-2014 22:12:00]
Copper Summit begins: Chariot (2 turns)
Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) promoted: Combat II
Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking, Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) decimates Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 71.7%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Rheims, Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) (3.84/6) defeats Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 71.7%)
While attacking, Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) escapes from Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 28.8%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Rheims, Axeman 1 (Silver Lining) loses to Ottoman Archer (0.15/3) (Prob Victory: 28.8%)
While attacking, Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) decimates Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Rheims, Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) (6.00/6) defeats Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Captured Rheims (Suleiman)
Rheims begins: Library (91 turns)
A Cottage was built near Silver Lining
Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) promoted: Flanking I
Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) promoted: Flanking II
While attacking, Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) decimates Ottoman Axeman (Prob Victory: 88.8%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Copper Summit, Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) (4.98/6) defeats Ottoman Axeman (Prob Victory: 88.8%)
While attacking, Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) decimates Ottoman Axeman (Prob Victory: 85.9%)
While attacking, Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) decimates Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 68.6%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory near Copper Summit, Axeman 2 (Horse Farm) (1.40/5) defeats Ottoman Archer (Prob Victory: 68.6%)
While attacking, Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) decimates Ottoman Axeman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Copper Summit, Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) (2.88/4) defeats Ottoman Axeman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Copper Summit begins: Horse Archer (3 turns)
Copper Summit begins: Chariot (2 turns)
Mehmed (Ottomans) and Suleiman (Ottomans) have signed a peace treaty
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Meditation
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Polytheism
100% Research: 68 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -55 per turn, 230 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Mathematics
A Village was built near Silver Lining
Istanbul grows to size 3

Turn 97/500 (450 BC) [27-Aug-2014 22:24:41]
Research begun: Currency (7 Turns)
A Mine was built near Yaroslavl'
A Mine was built near Istanbul
100% Research: 72 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -57 per turn, 175 in the bank

After End Turn:
Silver Lining finishes: Horse Archer
Copper Summit finishes: Chariot
Marble Arch's borders expand

Other Player Actions:
Augustus Caesar (Rome) declares war on Julius Caesar (Rome)
Attitude Change: Suleiman (Ottomans) towards Louis XIV (France), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Louis XIV (France) towards Suleiman (Ottomans), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 98/500 (425 BC) [27-Aug-2014 22:30:32]
Silver Lining begins: Swordsman (4 turns)
Copper Summit begins: Horse Archer (3 turns)
Jeanne d'Arc (Chariot) promoted: Lead by Warlord
Jeanne d'Arc (Chariot) promoted: Combat I
Jeanne d'Arc (Chariot) promoted: Medic I
Jeanne d'Arc (Chariot) promoted: Medic II
Jeanne d'Arc (Chariot) promoted: Medic III
Ankara begins: Monument (15 turns)
100% Research: 81 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -66 per turn, 118 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Silver Lining
Horse Farm grows to size 6
A Village was built near Horse Farm
Marble Arch grows to size 4
Marble Arch finishes: Work Boat

Turn 99/500 (400 BC) [27-Aug-2014 22:39:05]
Diplomacy: Julius Caesar (Rome) offers to trade Priesthood to Mehmed (Ottomans) for Polytheism
Marble Arch begins: Work Boat (4 turns)
While attacking, Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) decimates Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 76.9%)
While attacking in Barbarian territory at Ghuzz, Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (2.94/6) defeats Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 76.9%)
While attacking, Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) decimates Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 75.3%)
While attacking in Barbarian territory at Ghuzz, Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) (2.94/6) defeats Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 75.3%)
Captured Ghuzz (Barbarian)
Ghuzz begins: Monument (31 turns)
Ankara begins: Granary (15 turns)
100% Research: 84 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -70 per turn, 156 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Istanbul
Horse Farm finishes: Horse Archer
Copper Summit finishes: Horse Archer
Istanbul grows to size 4
Edirne grows to size 2

Turn 100/500 (375 BC) [27-Aug-2014 22:45:15]
Horse Farm begins: Work Boat (4 turns)
Copper Summit begins: Horse Archer (3 turns)
A Fishing Boats was built near Marble Arch

 

[haphazard1]

From a quick glance at the logs, looks like a very solid turnset McArine!

I guess I am up next...I will try to find time to give the save a detailed look later today, and post a draft PPP. What are our top priorities? Do we want to declare on another AI? If so, who? Or do we want to concentrate on barbs for a bit, maybe take that island city and get some religion? We could of course do some of both, maybe going after the barb city while accumulating some additional forces as prep for DOWing another AI?

 

[adrianj]

That's brilliant McArine! Looks like you had some fairly low odds fights go your way, to make up for Ron's misfortune.

Could we please have some screenshots? An overview of newly acquired lands with interface turned on (scoreboard bottom corner) is always helpful I think.

What's the tech trading situation? AI relations?

The roster order is:

1. Ronnie1
2. McArine Just Played
3. haphazard1 Up Now!
4. Sleepless On Deck
5. nocho

On the bench
da_Vinci

Advising:
Ororo, adrianj

 

[adrianj]

Where to from here?

I think that we should keep pressing our Horse Archer advantage while we have it. Prepare an attack on Peter.

Meanwhile, we should step up our exploration activities. We need to find the remaining AI and also find the locations of the other holy shrines. Once we have absorbed Suli's and Peter's lands into our empire we might be done for expansion; at which point we will need to turn our attention to winning the game.

The barb holy island would be a great thing to have. Overseas trade routes alone are hugely valuable for a large empire. Is it a one tile island or more? If more, then we might not need an extra galley.

 

[nocho]

Indeed looks fine.

We should start farming a scientist asap and most likely get CoL after currency. Therefore right now poly to Julius for PH and 40 cash looks ideal (@haph, that's a good example of a guaranteed fair deal which should give no WE diplo negatives with Augustus ). We'll run out of cash soon, so we probably should build some research and then wealth while going to CoL.

Next target: I must say the more I think of it the more I fancy Louis. His land looks very resource rich, it looks like some 8 happies we'll reap (!!! gold, gem, wine, fur, 4 calendar) and other goodies like stone, pigs etc. He has copper under the city of Chartres which may be knocked out on the 1st or 2nd turn of war if we invade with some galleys (supposing the water is indeed safe now). We have 13 HAs now, should be nice to make a good dent with some more chopped units. We might also ship over units to Rheims and invade from Napoleon's ground, our scout should uncover some unknown territory also in Louis' land (near his 5th city) before declaring.

Should also try to get the hindu city, but is a bit of a side show imo, in the sense that getting more AI territory sooner is more urgent.

 

[Ronnie1]

I think I like going after the French next. I like having my back to the sea in the long run. It isolates us on the end of the continent and would seem to give us access to 3 Holy cities.

I would prefer to wait on the barb holy city for Cats/Elephants. Hilled archers behind Castle Walls, ouch. We could obviously take it with enough HA's, but they would be better used against the French imo.

We could settle the 1 city site SW with the copper and wheat securing a decent chunk of land.

A couple pics

Spoiler :

We are NEARLY LAST in GNP, but 1-2 everywhere else!