SGOTM 20 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

[nocho]

Plan sounds fine to me. Just saying that building units for HR happiness doesn't make too much sense if the whole idea of attacking Peter is getting the mids and switching to rep (or PS). On the granary issue, I haven't got a really informed opinion, but never even contemplated working an inferior tile just before a granary completes until Ron mentioned it this game. It feels counter intuitive to say the least, but I'll leave it up to Sleepless here to decide.

 

[Sleepless]

Have to agree building MP's to work inferior tiles isn't generally worth it. Much better to 2 pop whip into other things and keep cities around 5 or 6 size early on. Generally that is.

Noted about the furs and will try and keep an eye on happiness. Still unhappy citizens can be forced into riding phants in the very near future...

Begging cash?

I know from previous SP games begging 40 generally worked if you was able. Could we risk the 50 from Cathie? I know AJ is good at working these things out..

 

[Sleepless]

Good to have you on the active roster, Sleepless!

- Former Suleiman cities, I would avoid building HAs without stables. (And barracks, obviously!) We are planning enough warring, with HAs and elephants and maybe knights later on, that the stables should be worthwhile. Alternate idea would be to use those cities for our non-mounted troops: axes, catapults, archers. (Note that there are a couple cities with HA garrisons because we had nothing else available. Builds a few archers and free up those HAs.)

Good luck!

Yep that was the plan. Release some of the HA's and prioritise mounted from the stable cities.

 

[haphazard1]

Have to agree building MP's to work inferior tiles isn't generally worth it. Much better to 2 pop whip into other things and keep cities around 5 or 6 size early on. Generally that is.

I guess it depends on how you define "inferior tiles". For our largest cities the extra pop is all going for some form of commerce/research: cottage tiles and scientists. I like having at least some semblance of an actual economy, even if our main focus is on conquest at the moment. Our rivals are not standing still, with many of them reaching and switching to HR recently. Their cities will be expanding and producing more with their increased happy caps. It would be good for our cities to do the same.

 

[Ronnie1]

Real quick on the granary thing. In this case growth to size 4 is dependent on tile use of course. But using an "inferior" now tile puts us 1 food head 3 turns from now.

I am not in favor of building additional mp's in general. Possibly in SL, but I haven't looked that close.

Have fun sleepless!

 

[nocho]

Edit: xpost, reaction to haph.

^ Sure, but wasn't it the idea to do that through representation thanks to the mids we'll conquer shortly? If so, I must insist that if we plan to switch out of HR in maybe 5 turns from now, more units just for happy isn't going to make much sense any more.

 

[haphazard1]

Real quick on the granary thing. In this case growth to size 4 is dependent on tile use of course. But using an "inferior" now tile puts us 1 food head 3 turns from now.

Again, I would need to see an example to believe this. I read the linked article and worked through some numbers for comparison, and the not-work-food case never came out ahead.

 

[haphazard1]

Edit: xpost, reaction to haph.

^ Sure, but wasn't it the idea to do that through representation thanks to the mids we'll conquer shortly? If so, I must insist that if we plan to switch out of HR in maybe 5 turns from now, more units just for happy isn't going to make much sense any more.

We do need happiness right now, though. And the HR garrison units are not going to be useless if/when we switch to Rep -- they can be shuffled around to serve as garrison for cities captured from Peter.

 

[Ronnie1]

Here is the test I built with the current options for tile use. Play a couple turns each way and you can see for yourself. I find it a tad insulting that you believe I would be untruthful.

 

[Sleepless]

Turnset Log

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 125 BC to 25 AD:

Turn 110, 125 BC: You have declared war on Peter!
Turn 110, 125 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) (4.80) vs Peter's Axeman (2.85)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Combat Odds: 96.3%
Turn 110, 125 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 110, 125 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 110, 125 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 110, 125 BC: (Class Attack: -100%)
Turn 110, 125 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 15 (25/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 110, 125 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) has defeated Peter's Axeman!
Turn 110, 125 BC: You have captured Smolensk!!!
Turn 110, 125 BC: You have pillaged 14 ℴ from the destruction of Smolensk!!!
Turn 110, 125 BC: You have destroyed the city of Smolensk!!!
Turn 110, 125 BC: Ferdinand Magellan (Great Merchant) has been born in a far away land!
Turn 110, 125 BC: Charles Martel (Great General) has been born in a far away land!

Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 28 (Copper Summit) (6.00) vs Augustus Caesar's Archer (3.75)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 95.6%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Augustus Caesar's Archer is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Augustus Caesar's Archer is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Augustus Caesar's Archer is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Augustus Caesar's Archer is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 28 (Copper Summit) has defeated Augustus Caesar's Archer!
Turn 111, 100 BC: You have made peace with Augustus Caesar!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) (6.60) vs Peter's Spearman (10.00)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 9.7%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +40%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Spearman is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Spearman is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Spearman has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm)!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Peter's Axeman (7.50)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 30.3%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +40%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) has defeated Peter's Axeman!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Peter's Spearman (6.80)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 62.1%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +40%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Combat: +100%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Spearman is hit for 17 (51/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Spearman is hit for 17 (34/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Spearman is hit for 17 (17/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Spearman is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) has defeated Peter's Spearman!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) (7.20) vs Peter's Archer (6.45)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 69.0%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +40%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 111, 100 BC: You have captured Rostov!!!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) (6.60) vs Peter's Axeman (7.50)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 30.3%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit)!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) (6.00) vs Peter's Archer (7.35)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 26.2%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) (7.20) vs Peter's Archer (7.35)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 36.5%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) (6.00) vs Peter's Archer (6.75)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 30.8%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 18 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 2 (Horse Farm) (4.00) vs Peter's Axeman (1.12)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Plot Defense: +50%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Class Attack: -100%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Axeman is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 2 (Horse Farm) has defeated Peter's Axeman!
Turn 111, 100 BC: You have captured St. Petersburg!!!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (7.20) vs Peter's Chariot (4.40)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 95.9%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has defeated Peter's Chariot!
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) (6.60) vs Peter's Chariot (4.40)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Combat Odds: 90.1%
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) is hit for 16 (20/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 111, 100 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) has defeated Peter's Chariot!

Turn 112, 75 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) (7.20) vs Peter's Archer (4.50)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Combat Odds: 95.6%
Turn 112, 75 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 112, 75 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 112, 75 BC: (Hills Defense: +25%)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Peter's Archer is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 112, 75 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 112, 75 BC: You have discovered Construction!
Turn 112, 75 BC: You have constructed a Hammam in Silver Lining. Work has now begun on a Horse Archer.
Turn 112, 75 BC: You have constructed a Library in Marble Arch. Work has now begun on a Hammam.
Turn 112, 75 BC: The borders of Istanbul have expanded!
Turn 112, 75 BC: You have trained a Galley in Ankara. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 112, 75 BC: Moe Berg (Great Spy) has been born in Paris (Napoleon)!

Turn 113, 50 BC: Johannes Kepler (Great Scientist) has been born in a far away land!
Turn 113, 50 BC: Napoleon's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 113, 50 BC: Napoleon adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 113, 50 BC: Barbarian's Galley (2.00) vs Mehmed's Galley 1 (Istanbul) (2.20)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Combat Odds: 32.2%
Turn 113, 50 BC: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Mehmed's Galley 1 (Istanbul) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Mehmed's Galley 1 (Istanbul) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Mehmed's Galley 1 (Istanbul) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 113, 50 BC: Mehmed's Galley 1 (Istanbul) has defeated Barbarian's Galley!

Turn 114, 25 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Rheims!
Turn 114, 25 BC: Silver Lining has grown to size 9.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Silver Lining can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 17ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Marble Arch has grown to size 8.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Istanbul has grown to size 6.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Istanbul can hurry Library for 3⇴ with 23ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Edirne has grown to size 4.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Ankara has grown to size 5.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Ankara has become unhappy.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Ankara can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 30ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 36 turns.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Rheims has grown to size 8.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Rheims can hurry Hammam for 4⇴ with 29ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Victoria is the worst enemy of Churchill.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Churchill is the worst enemy of Victoria.
Turn 114, 25 BC: The borders of Edirne are about to expand.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Churchill will trade Fur, Gold
Turn 114, 25 BC: Will Sign Open Borders: Churchill
Turn 114, 25 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Copper Summit.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Ankara.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) (2.64) vs Peter's Scout (1.35)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Combat Odds: 90.7%
Turn 114, 25 BC: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 114, 25 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 114, 25 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 12 (43/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 12 (31/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 12 (19/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Peter's Scout is hit for 32 (68/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Mehmed's Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) is hit for 12 (7/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Your Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) has withdrawn from combat with a Scout!
Turn 114, 25 BC: Rheims will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Ghuzz will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Peter's Scout (2.10)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 114, 25 BC: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 114, 25 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 114, 25 BC: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 114, 25 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Peter's Scout is hit for 33 (67/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Peter's Scout is hit for 33 (34/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Peter's Scout is hit for 33 (1/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Peter's Scout is hit for 33 (0/100HP)
Turn 114, 25 BC: Mehmed's Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) has defeated Peter's Scout!
Turn 114, 25 BC: Your Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) has destroyed a Scout!
Turn 114, 25 BC: The borders of Edirne have expanded!
Turn 114, 25 BC: You have trained a Work Boat in Ankara. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 114, 25 BC: Louis Pasteur (Great Scientist) has been born in Novgorod (Catherine)!

Turn 115, 1 AD: Horse Farm has become happy.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Horse Farm can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Copper Summit can hurry War Elephant for 1⇴ with 43ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Marble Arch can hurry War Elephant for 1⇴ with 15ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Istanbul can hurry Catapult for 2⇴ with 28ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 16 turns.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Ankara has become happy.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Rheims has become happy.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Ghuzz has grown to size 4.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Rostov will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 115, 1 AD: St. Petersburg has become unhappy.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Augustus Caesar has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Churchill has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Julius Caesar has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Louis XIV will trade Spices
Turn 115, 1 AD: Horse Farm will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Copper Summit will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Marble Arch will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Rheims will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 115, 1 AD: You have discovered Code of Laws!
Turn 115, 1 AD: You have trained a Work Boat in Ankara. Work has now begun on a Barracks.
Turn 115, 1 AD: Louis XIV has founded Poitiers.

Turn 116, 25 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Rheims!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Horse Farm has grown to size 11.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Copper Summit has grown to size 7.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Marble Arch has grown to size 9.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Ankara can hurry Barracks for 2⇴ with 24ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 34 turns.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Rheims has grown to size 6.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Rostov has been pacified.
Turn 116, 25 AD: St. Petersburg will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Catherine has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Peter's Swordsman (7.80)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 28.1%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Swordsman is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Swordsman is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Swordsman is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Swordsman is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Swordsman is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Swordsman has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining)!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) has died trying to attack a Swordsman!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) (6.00) vs Peter's Archer (4.95)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 68.1%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Attack: -30%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) (6.00) vs Peter's Archer (5.85)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 64.0%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining)!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) has died trying to attack a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) (6.00) vs Peter's Archer (5.85)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 64.0%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (5/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit)!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) has died trying to attack a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) (7.20) vs Peter's Archer (5.70)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 75.7%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer has defeated Mehmed's Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit)!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) has died trying to attack a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (7.20) vs Peter's Archer (5.10)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 88.2%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Erwin Rommel (Great General) has been born in Silver Lining (Mehmed)!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) (6.60) vs Peter's Chariot (4.40)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 90.1%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Chariot is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) has defeated Peter's Chariot!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) has destroyed a Chariot!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) (6.60) vs Peter's Archer (2.34)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 99.9%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 25 (15/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) (5.28) vs Peter's Archer (1.17)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) (6.12) vs Peter's Swordsman (0.93)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Swordsman is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) has defeated Peter's Swordsman!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) has destroyed a Swordsman!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) (4.40) vs Peter's Archer (0.68)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Plot Defense: +20%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Peter's Archer is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 116, 25 AD: Mehmed's Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) has defeated Peter's Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Your Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 116, 25 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 116, 25 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 116, 25 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 116, 25 AD: You have captured Yekaterinburg!!!
Turn 116, 25 AD: The Russian Civilization has been destroyed!!!
Turn 116, 25 AD: Istanbul will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 116, 25 AD: Rheims will grow to size 7 on the next turn.

 

[Sleepless]

Buffy Log

Spoiler :

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 110/500 (125 BC) [03-Sep-2014 15:15:22]
Horse Farm begins: Horse Archer (5 turns)
Ankara begins: Barracks (10 turns)
Silver Lining begins: Horse Archer (5 turns)
Mehmed (Ottomans) declares war on Peter (Russia)
Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) promoted: Shock
While attacking in Russian territory at Smolensk, Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) (1.00/4) defeats Russian Axeman (Prob Victory: 96.3%)
Captured Smolensk (Peter)
Razed Smolensk
Smolensk lost
100% Research: 141 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -105 per turn, 299 in the bank

After End Turn:
Silver Lining grows to size 10
Copper Summit finishes: Horse Archer
Marble Arch grows to size 9
Rheims grows to size 6
Ghuzz finishes: Granary

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Louis XIV (France) towards Mehmed (Ottomans), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Peter (Russia) towards Mehmed (Ottomans), from 'Cautious' to 'Furious'

Turn 111/500 (100 BC) [03-Sep-2014 15:22:35]
Copper Summit begins: Horse Archer (3 turns)
Ghuzz begins: Archer (25 turns)
While attacking in the wild near Ghuzz, Horse Archer 28 (Copper Summit) (6.00/6) defeats Roman Archer (Prob Victory: 95.6%)
Mehmed (Ottomans) and Augustus Caesar (Rome) have signed a peace treaty
While attacking in Russian territory at Rostov, Horse Archer 25 (Horse Farm) loses to Russian Spearman (2.72/4) (Prob Victory: 9.7%)
Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) promoted: Shock
While attacking in Russian territory at Rostov, Horse Archer 24 (Silver Lining) (0.96/6) defeats Russian Axeman (Prob Victory: 30.3%)
Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) promoted: Shock
While attacking in Russian territory at Rostov, Horse Archer 27 (Silver Lining) (0.72/6) defeats Russian Spearman (Prob Victory: 62.1%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Rostov, Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) (2.76/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 69.0%)
Captured Rostov (Peter)
Rostov begins: Library (91 turns)
Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) promoted: Shock
While attacking in Russian territory at St. Petersburg, Horse Archer 23 (Copper Summit) loses to Russian Axeman (1.40/5) (Prob Victory: 30.3%)
Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) promoted: Flanking I
Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) promoted: Flanking II
While attacking, Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) escapes from Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 26.2%)
Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) promoted: Combat II
While attacking in Russian territory at St. Petersburg, Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) (2.40/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 36.5%)
While attacking in Russian territory at St. Petersburg, Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) (0.96/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 30.8%)
While attacking in Russian territory at St. Petersburg, Chariot 2 (Horse Farm) (4.00/4) defeats Russian Axeman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Captured St. Petersburg (Peter)
St. Petersburg begins: Library (91 turns)
While attacking in the wild near Rostov, Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) (6.00/6) defeats Russian Worker (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in the wild at St. Petersburg, Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (2.40/6) defeats Russian Chariot (Prob Victory: 95.9%)
While attacking in the wild near Rostov, Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) (1.20/6) defeats Russian Chariot (Prob Victory: 90.1%)
Ankara begins: Work Boat (6 turns)
Ghuzz begins: Library (90 turns)
Silver Lining begins: Hammam (7 turns)
Horse Farm begins: Hammam (9 turns)
Copper Summit begins: Hammam (5 turns)
Ankara begins: Galley (10 turns)
100% Research: 144 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -111 per turn, 550 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Istanbul
Horse Farm grows to size 10
Istanbul grows to size 5
Istanbul finishes: Barracks
Ankara grows to size 6
Rheims finishes: Lighthouse

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Peter(Russia) from 'Representation' to 'Despotism'

Turn 112/500 (75 BC) [03-Sep-2014 15:37:34]
Diplomacy (Help Request): Augustus Caesar (Rome) asks Mehmed (Ottomans) for Priesthood; Mehmed AGREES.
Tech traded to Augustus Caesar (Rome): Priesthood
Istanbul begins: Lighthouse (5 turns)
Rheims begins: Hammam (34 turns)
A Mine was built near Silver Lining
Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) promoted: Combat II
While attacking in French territory near Amiens, Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) (2.40/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 95.6%)
Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 14 (Horse Farm) promoted: Combat III
Istanbul begins: Library (15 turns)
Tech traded to Louis XIV (France): Polytheism
100% Research: 144 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -112 per turn, 489 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Silver Lining
The whip was applied in Copper Summit
The whip was applied in Marble Arch
The whip was applied in Ankara
Whip anger has decreased in Rheims
Tech research finished: Construction
Silver Lining finishes: Hammam
Copper Summit finishes: Hammam
Marble Arch grows to size 7
Marble Arch finishes: Library
Istanbul's borders expand
Ankara finishes: Galley
Rheims grows to size 7
Ghuzz grows to size 3

Other Player Actions:
A Fishing Boats was destroyed near Ankara
A Fishing Boats near Ankara was destroyed by Barbarian Galley

Turn 113/500 (50 BC) [03-Sep-2014 15:47:48]
Research begun: Code of Laws (3 Turns)
Copper Summit begins: War Elephant (4 turns)
Ankara begins: Work Boat (6 turns)
A Mine was built near Silver Lining
A Mine was built near Copper Summit
Silver Lining begins: War Elephant (9 turns)
Silver Lining begins: Catapult (8 turns)
100% Research: 149 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -113 per turn, 377 in the bank

After End Turn:
Silver Lining grows to size 9
Copper Summit finishes: War Elephant
Marble Arch grows to size 8
Marble Arch finishes: Hammam
Istanbul grows to size 6
Edirne grows to size 4
Ankara grows to size 5
A Hamlet was built near Edirne
Rheims grows to size 8

Other Player Actions:
Player contact made: Churchill of England
While defending in Ottoman territory at Ankara, Galley 1 (Istanbul) (0.86/2) defeats Barbarian Galley (Prob Victory: 67.8%)
Attitude Change: Louis XIV (France) towards Mehmed (Ottomans), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Napoleon(France) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 114/500 (25 BC) [03-Sep-2014 15:52:51]
Copper Summit begins: War Elephant (4 turns)
Marble Arch begins: War Elephant (5 turns)
A Mine was built near Ankara
While attacking, Chariot 4 (Silver Lining) escapes from Russian Scout (Prob Victory: 90.7%)
Istanbul begins: Catapult (6 turns)
Horse Farm begins: War Elephant (5 turns)
Horse Farm begins: Horse Archer (3 turns)
While attacking in Ottoman territory at Rheims, Horse Archer 6 (Silver Lining) (6.00/6) defeats Russian Scout (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
100% Research: 161 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -120 per turn, 264 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Rheims
Whip anger has decreased in Ghuzz
Edirne's borders expand
Ankara finishes: Work Boat
Rheims grows to size 5
Rheims finishes: Hammam
Ghuzz grows to size 4

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Julius Caesar (Rome) towards Victoria (England), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Napoleon (France) towards Augustus Caesar (Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Victoria (England) towards Julius Caesar (Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 115/500 (0 AD) [03-Sep-2014 16:02:26]
Rheims begins: Archer (9 turns)
Horse Archer 28 (Copper Summit) promoted: Flanking I
Horse Archer 28 (Copper Summit) promoted: Sentry
Ankara begins: Work Boat (4 turns)
70% Research: 113 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
30% Gold: -80 per turn, 147 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Code of Laws
Horse Farm grows to size 11
Copper Summit grows to size 7
Copper Summit finishes: War Elephant
Marble Arch grows to size 9
Edirne finishes: Barracks
Ankara finishes: Work Boat
Rheims grows to size 6
Rheims finishes: Archer

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Victoria (England) towards Napoleon (France), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 116/500 (25 AD) [03-Sep-2014 16:07:09]
Research begun: Feudalism (9 Turns)
Copper Summit begins: War Elephant (4 turns)
Edirne begins: Archer (4 turns)
Rheims begins: Courthouse (20 turns)
A Cottage was built near Silver Lining
A Mine was built near Bursa
A Mine was built near Edirne
A Cottage was built near Rheims
Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) promoted: Shock
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 19 (Silver Lining) loses to Russian Swordsman (0.60/6) (Prob Victory: 28.1%)
Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Swordsman 1 (Silver Lining) (2.76/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 68.1%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 22 (Silver Lining) loses to Russian Archer (1.20/3) (Prob Victory: 64.0%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 15 (Copper Summit) loses to Russian Archer (0.60/3) (Prob Victory: 64.0%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 21 (Copper Summit) loses to Russian Archer (0.36/3) (Prob Victory: 75.7%)
Erwin Rommel (Great General) born in Silver Lining
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 12 (Copper Summit) (4.08/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 88.2%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 18 (Copper Summit) (6.00/6) defeats Russian Chariot (Prob Victory: 90.1%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 2 (Silver Lining) (6.00/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 16 (Copper Summit) (4.80/6) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Horse Archer 20 (Horse Farm) (5.10/6) defeats Russian Swordsman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Russian territory at Yekaterinburg, Chariot 3 (Horse Farm) (4.00/4) defeats Russian Archer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Captured Yekaterinburg (Peter)
Russian Empire has been eliminated
Yekaterinburg begins: Granary (61 turns)
A Fishing Boats was built near Ankara

More to follow..

 

[haphazard1]

Here is the test I built with the current options for tile use. Play a couple turns each way and you can see for yourself. I find it a tad insulting that you believe I would be untruthful.

I don't think you are not telling the truth -- I apologize if you felt I was questioning you on that level. That was not my intent.

I think we are miscommunicating somewhere and are not looking at the same scenarios. So you see one thing, and I see another thing, and it is because we are not actually looking at the same thing.

What are you doing on the initial turn? I think I am probably misunderstanding your suggestion to use an inferior tile, and that is leading to the different outcomes we are seeing.

I used your granary test save and tried two scenarios. I am assuming all pop after size 2 work 1F tiles, since that is all we have available at Ghuzz right now after the wheat and seafood. (The actual value of such pop should not matter as long as we treat them the same way for the tests.)

Scenario A we work both improved food sources on the initial turn (IT + 0):

IT + 0: 10/24 food in bar; 0 stored in granary (not built yet); +8 food surplus; size 2
IT + 1: 18/24 food in bar; 0 stored in granary (just finished); +8 food surplus; size 2
IT + 2: 10/26 food in bar; 8 stored in granary; +7 food surplus; size 3
IT + 3: 17/26 food in bar; 13 stored in granary (max); + 7 food surplus; size 3

Scenario B we work one improved food source on the initial turn, and the other pop generates no food (basic citizen for 1H):

IT + 0: 10/24 food in bar; 0 stored in granary (not built yet); +3 food surplus; size 2
IT + 1: 13/24 food in bar; 0 stored in granary (just finished); back to +8 food surplus; size 2
IT + 2: 21/24 food in bar; 8 stored in granary; +8 food surplus; size 2
IT + 3: 17/26 food in bar; 13 stored in granary (max); + 7 food surplus; size 3

Note that the IT + 3 result is identical to scenario A, except that in scenario A the city grew to size 3 a turn earlier and thus got whatever value that additional pop point produced. So scenario A is superior.

Hmmm, you mention 1 additional food after three turns. What happens if we run a Scenario C where we work one improved food source on the initial turn, and the other pop works a 1F tile:

IT + 0: 10/24 food in bar; 0 stored in granary (not built yet); +4 food surplus; size 2
IT + 1: 14/24 food in bar; 0 stored in granary (just finished); back to +8 food surplus; size 2
IT + 2: 22/24 food in bar; 8 stored in granary; +8 food surplus; size 2
IT + 3: 18/26 food in bar; 13 stored in granary (max); + 7 food surplus; size 3

So we do see 1 additional food after three turns. But similar to scenario B we are growing to size 3 one turn later than in Scenario A. Is the 1 additional food worth the loss of 1 turn of that additional pop point? Note that scenario A does assume 1F produced by the pop point, so we are really comparing 1 additional food in the bar to (1 turn of pop value after 1F). Given the tiles we have at Ghuzz right now that would be either 1H1C (a riverside plains tile) or 2C (a coast tile).

That is a pretty minor difference, overall. If we had a better tile for the third pop point to work then Scenario A would come out further ahead, but I am not sure our workers could complete any improvement in time (especially with the Augustus archer threatening the area). Still, I like scenario A personally -- intentionally not using a strong tile just offends my Civ sensabilities.

So does Scenario C match what you were seeing, or am I still missing something?

 

[haphazard1]

Awesome work, Sleepless! Bit of bad luck with the defenders at Yekaterinberg, but we had some decent luck earlier. Our chariot losing to a scout was just sad, though. Although I guess the chariot started injured, so it's not quite as bad.

And we met Churchill! We need to contact the admins and find out about the hidden requirement. I am very curious to know just what (else) we have to do to "end the madness" and win the game.

Construction and CoL completed, very nice. What do we want to research next? Are any trades available? With silver, gems, and soon gold (if we can take the Smolensk site) MC and forges would be very nice. Calendar offers value for improving bananas and incense tiles. Maybe other?

 

[Ronnie1]

Too many numbers.
Please play around with this test.

 

[Sleepless]

Some Screenies...

Spoiler :

Seemed a pretty basic turnset. RNG could have been a bit better but nothing really to worry about.

Found Churchill or rather he found us. The English must be West of the Romans I would guess.

Managed to tech both CoL and construction so whipping a few courthouses should help our economy. Not sure where to go from here but I believe vassals is on so perhaps chain capitulating to a conquest victory would be the fastest. I do need to read up a bit more on the extra winning requirements..

Begged 50 gold from Cathie. Louis can be begged from atm. Note if we change to caste/rep for faster teching we will lose the opportunity to beg from Louis.

Early peace with Augustus. Killed off one of his archers he had floating around and he gave us 65 gold for the pleasure so no real concerns there. He did demand priesthood which I gave as there was no real downside not to.

War.. I fancy carrying on the war to Cathie next. Relieve a bit of pressure from her plus she seems pretty weak. Perhaps whipping a spy from somewhere to see if we can steal aesthetics wouldn't be a bad idea either.

World Wonders.. We have stone next turn so perhaps a run at the Hanging Gardens in a city would be a cheap build for the extra pop?

Couple of units still to be moved South of Yekat and pile a few more troops in Rostov as its under pressure from Cathie and does have the Mids so we don't want to lose that one..

 

[Ronnie1]

The results

 

[Sleepless]

Awesome work, Sleepless! Bit of bad luck with the defenders at Yekaterinberg, but we had some decent luck earlier. Our chariot losing to a scout was just sad, though. Although I guess the chariot started injured, so it's not quite as bad. Well it did survive..

And we met Churchill! We need to contact the admins and find out about the hidden requirement. I am very curious to know just what (else) we have to do to "end the madness" and win the game. Luckily I didn't go to far past this bit.

Construction and CoL completed, very nice. What do we want to research next? Are any trades available? With silver, gems, and soon gold (if we can take the Smolensk site) MC and forges would be very nice. Calendar offers value for improving bananas and incense tiles. Maybe other?

Smolensk site has already been settled by Louis. From what I've seen he is very weak so a quick attack on Cathie then back for him seems best to me..

 

[Sleepless]

OK can't win by conquest and I'm guessing the madness is between the opposing civs but how were meant to stop that?? Plus side I'll message AlanH/BSPollux that we've met all the civs.

Edit.. PM sent

 

[haphazard1]

Ronnie1, I am not sure what I am supposed to see in the saves? There is the 1 food difference, but looking at the starting save I still see the work-both-food scenario getting the growth to size 3 a turn sooner. This matches the tests I ran before, so I am do not see anything different.

Sleepless, both Catherine and Louis are a problem due to cultural pressure. But Catherine has no real room to expand, while Louis has been planting a lot of cities. Catherine also has horse archers while Louis does not. I think Louis is the better target, so we can claim more land and cities against weaker opposition. Also, with Catherine knowing Aesthetics I think she is more likely to build additional wonders for us. But I am fine with either as the next target.

Hanging Gardens is an interesting possibility, especially since we have a couple hammams built. The AI often does not build aquaducts for a while, so once the stone is online we might want to give the wonder a shot.

Building a spy and sending it to steal Aesthetics from Catherine also sounds good to me. I am not a big user of espionage so I am not very familiar with how much such missions cost, but it would be good to get something for all our EP.

When do we want to go after a barb holy city? We are going to need a lot of religous spread and temples built, so getting a source of religion so we can start getting free spreads would be nice. Even with a holy city free spreads take time. We could also benefit from religious civics, and maybe from +diplo once the religion spreads to neighbors. Of course, fighting those neighbors would then give unhappiness....

Also, what about Suleiman? We should finish him off at some point to remove the "yearn to join the motherland" unhappiness from some of our cities. Not sure when the best time would be, but now that we can build some cats and elephants stomping his one city should not be too difficult.

 

[haphazard1]

Another thought: once the stone is online we can build Moai cheaply. Do we want to put it in MA? Or do we have other national wonders we would rather put there, such as National Epic to go with all the food? We need to think about where we want to put our national wonders.