SGOTM 20 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts
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haphazard1
Dancing Bear
If we are going to revolt to PS, then we might as well do so as soon as possible. Unless we are not building any units right now for some reason, or have a settler 1 turn from finishing or similar, then we might as well get the PS hammer benefits.
Before we think about revolting how near are we to our first GP. Perhaps a golden age instead then change to PS at the beginning - Rep at the end? I don't really see to much advantage of a turn wasted in anarchy atm.
Looking at the barb city South of Ankara it looks like we might need astro to get there. Certainly our best way of teching now (and for the rest of the game) will be rep/caste. its annoying because we have had a barb galley come from that area and we can't get to them.
Looking at the barb city South of Ankara it looks like we might need astro to get there. Certainly our best way of teching now (and for the rest of the game) will be rep/caste. its annoying because we have had a barb galley come from that area and we can't get to them.
Sorry Sleepless, I already got ahead of myself and played the set yesterday afternoon, I just didn't have time to report as I had to go to a party.
I played until the GS was born, 9 turns, and am handing over.
Revolted to PS, got units in position and declared on Louis. Operation "Strip Him from Metals" went fairly well, actually his whole northern rim fell to us already, as well as Chartres. Figured that I had to keep it all, which in case of Chartres was maybe an error as it'll never grow, but at least we control his metal that way.
Louis will already talk and gift Calendar+cash for peace, but I think we should push on to get his more developed cities. We could leave him with 1 to extract techs. His capital has quite some units, but just 2 metal ones and no spears. Tours you can't see, but last turn it had a spear, an axe and 2 archers. The spear attacked and won against my scouting HA. Note a spear next to Poitiers. Got 2 workers there too btw.
Our first supermedic trails a bit and is in Amiens, we have a 2nd supermedic that was shipped over in the south. That first supermedic trails a bit because it helped surpressing revolt chance in Rostov for just a turn too long and because of barb trouble. In fact, the barbs are landing archers with a galley from the north at St Pete.
Don't see that happen often. Can be dealt with, but the SM had to stay around to avoid the risk of losing St Pete.
Rostov, got its monument and a library can be whipped finally next turn. Keep units there. The flip chance is considerable, but it hasn't happened yet, so we have margin. Cathy is going cultural though and went for Music. I got a spy in place in Yaroslavl, 3 turns left to full discount.
Was merrily building HG in CS and the turn I thought to see a nice empire wide pop increase, I saw fail cash instead.
Well, not all that bad but 18 or so extra pop would've been better. At least finished MC easily that way and we have some cash to spare (good, as we have a deficit at 0% science...). Chose machinery as next tech, but went 0% on it (for just a turn).
Founded Beach Club next to SL.
We explored a bit and identified the buddhist holy city (the one due west from Ghuzz). It seems we indeed need astro for the southern barb city. The English are not on our continent it seems, but we can see English borders accross the pond from Roman territory. Actually moved an archer onto an exploring galley and landed it on that land mass just now.
Oh, and it seems one of the barb triremes was doing a perpetual dance with Louis' workboats from Chartres. Having broken that dance, it's now after our galleys that dropped units there, but I just whipped a trireme from Istanbul. That should hopefully be enough to take care of it from now on.
Got a few courthouses done, obviously now we should focus to get forges too. However, we're running negative cash at 0% science as mentioned, so those cheap organized CHs should get some priority.
Got wine in trade from Napoleon. I think we get incense when one of the French cities comes out of revolt soon.
Last but not least, we got our GS. It would bulb philo, but the tech is known already and the religion gone, obviously.
Spoiler BUFFY Log :
I played until the GS was born, 9 turns, and am handing over.
Revolted to PS, got units in position and declared on Louis. Operation "Strip Him from Metals" went fairly well, actually his whole northern rim fell to us already, as well as Chartres. Figured that I had to keep it all, which in case of Chartres was maybe an error as it'll never grow, but at least we control his metal that way.
Louis will already talk and gift Calendar+cash for peace, but I think we should push on to get his more developed cities. We could leave him with 1 to extract techs. His capital has quite some units, but just 2 metal ones and no spears. Tours you can't see, but last turn it had a spear, an axe and 2 archers. The spear attacked and won against my scouting HA. Note a spear next to Poitiers. Got 2 workers there too btw.
Our first supermedic trails a bit and is in Amiens, we have a 2nd supermedic that was shipped over in the south. That first supermedic trails a bit because it helped surpressing revolt chance in Rostov for just a turn too long and because of barb trouble. In fact, the barbs are landing archers with a galley from the north at St Pete.
Don't see that happen often. Can be dealt with, but the SM had to stay around to avoid the risk of losing St Pete.Rostov, got its monument and a library can be whipped finally next turn. Keep units there. The flip chance is considerable, but it hasn't happened yet, so we have margin. Cathy is going cultural though and went for Music. I got a spy in place in Yaroslavl, 3 turns left to full discount.
Was merrily building HG in CS and the turn I thought to see a nice empire wide pop increase, I saw fail cash instead.
Well, not all that bad but 18 or so extra pop would've been better. At least finished MC easily that way and we have some cash to spare (good, as we have a deficit at 0% science...). Chose machinery as next tech, but went 0% on it (for just a turn).Founded Beach Club next to SL.
We explored a bit and identified the buddhist holy city (the one due west from Ghuzz). It seems we indeed need astro for the southern barb city. The English are not on our continent it seems, but we can see English borders accross the pond from Roman territory. Actually moved an archer onto an exploring galley and landed it on that land mass just now.
Oh, and it seems one of the barb triremes was doing a perpetual dance with Louis' workboats from Chartres. Having broken that dance, it's now after our galleys that dropped units there, but I just whipped a trireme from Istanbul. That should hopefully be enough to take care of it from now on.
Got a few courthouses done, obviously now we should focus to get forges too. However, we're running negative cash at 0% science as mentioned, so those cheap organized CHs should get some priority.
Got wine in trade from Napoleon. I think we get incense when one of the French cities comes out of revolt soon.
Last but not least, we got our GS. It would bulb philo, but the tech is known already and the religion gone, obviously.
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
Sounds like solid progress against Louis, nocho! 
Barbs are causing some trouble, looks like...especially naval trouble. 
I will need to look at the save for more detailed comments. Our economy needs work (as always!), especially if we are going to have to tech to Astro. The spy set up for Catherine sounds good, a tech steal or two at the top of the tree would be very handy. Especially if we have to conserve our cash to fund our deficit...not good news there.
Barbs are causing some trouble, looks like...especially naval trouble. I will need to look at the save for more detailed comments. Our economy needs work (as always!), especially if we are going to have to tech to Astro. The spy set up for Catherine sounds good, a tech steal or two at the top of the tree would be very handy. Especially if we have to conserve our cash to fund our deficit...not good news there.
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
OK, took a look at the save. Some thoughts:
- Courthouses are much needed to control our costs. Some markets in our larger cities would not be a bad idea either.
- We should sell spare health resources to Julius and Napoleon for their gold/turn. They have 2 gpt each available, and we need every bit we can get.
- Suleiman needs to die. His culture is stealing important tiles, like our gems! He has to go sometime, and I favor sooner rather than later.
- Peteropolis (NE of Louis) is not a holy city but does have religion (Christianity)! We should spare a unit to go see what kind of defenses it has, and if it isn't too bad we should conquer it to start gaining some religious spreads.
- We are going to want to squeeze a city in on the coast between Yekaterinberg and Poitiers (the gold city) to claim the gems there, along with a seafood. The city will pay for itself once the gems are online, and we need the happiness (at least until Suleiman dies and Edirne gets its gems back.) We will need some naval units on the northern coast before we can reliably keep our seafood there safe, though.
- We can see what looks like 6 barb holy cities now. Probably the last is in the NW beyond the Romans. More exploration!
Nice work on the exploring effort, nocho!
- Julius and Victoria have Feudalism, others will probably get it soon. Despite our economic situation we should push conquest hard while the AIs still lack longbows.
- We definitely want Louis' core cities. We have gotten his small cities, but we certainly want his best cities before we accept peace. Assuming we do accept peace at all...only real reason to do so would be to extort Calendar from him. We do need the tech, but let's grab his good cities first.
- Rostov should whip the library, which will get us the first border pop after another couple turns. With the first border expansion the city tile starts getting a BIG boost in culture/turn, which should finally start knocking down Cathy's influence. We are going to have to deal with Cathy, though, and soon-ish.
- Napoleon...tempting to conquer him too.
His cities will put a ton of cultural pressure on Louis' core once we capture it, and he only has 4 cities. It would be nice to control the entire east and not have to worry about anything but barbs in our back lines. Not that the barbs aren't being annoying, but it would make later wars in the west much simpler.
- Next tech...Machinery looks pretty good, and crossbows could be quite useful. Roman praetorians, anyone? We do need Calendar, but hopefully can get it from someone. Heading for Optics could also be nice for naval advantage, plus whales which we could found a city SE of Edirne to grab. Hmmm, probably Machinery first.
- Courthouses are much needed to control our costs. Some markets in our larger cities would not be a bad idea either.
- We should sell spare health resources to Julius and Napoleon for their gold/turn. They have 2 gpt each available, and we need every bit we can get.
- Suleiman needs to die. His culture is stealing important tiles, like our gems!
He has to go sometime, and I favor sooner rather than later.- Peteropolis (NE of Louis) is not a holy city but does have religion (Christianity)! We should spare a unit to go see what kind of defenses it has, and if it isn't too bad we should conquer it to start gaining some religious spreads.
- We are going to want to squeeze a city in on the coast between Yekaterinberg and Poitiers (the gold city) to claim the gems there, along with a seafood. The city will pay for itself once the gems are online, and we need the happiness (at least until Suleiman dies and Edirne gets its gems back.) We will need some naval units on the northern coast before we can reliably keep our seafood there safe, though.
- We can see what looks like 6 barb holy cities now. Probably the last is in the NW beyond the Romans. More exploration!
Nice work on the exploring effort, nocho!- Julius and Victoria have Feudalism, others will probably get it soon. Despite our economic situation we should push conquest hard while the AIs still lack longbows.
- We definitely want Louis' core cities. We have gotten his small cities, but we certainly want his best cities before we accept peace. Assuming we do accept peace at all...only real reason to do so would be to extort Calendar from him. We do need the tech, but let's grab his good cities first.
- Rostov should whip the library, which will get us the first border pop after another couple turns. With the first border expansion the city tile starts getting a BIG boost in culture/turn, which should finally start knocking down Cathy's influence. We are going to have to deal with Cathy, though, and soon-ish.
- Napoleon...tempting to conquer him too.
His cities will put a ton of cultural pressure on Louis' core once we capture it, and he only has 4 cities. It would be nice to control the entire east and not have to worry about anything but barbs in our back lines. Not that the barbs aren't being annoying, but it would make later wars in the west much simpler.- Next tech...Machinery looks pretty good, and crossbows could be quite useful. Roman praetorians, anyone?
We do need Calendar, but hopefully can get it from someone. Heading for Optics could also be nice for naval advantage, plus whales which we could found a city SE of Edirne to grab. Hmmm, probably Machinery first.I'm not overly excited about markets if it's for the gold multiplier. I like them more for hiring merchants, so maybe in high food cities like MA, Ankara or Rheims. I guess one of these will be NE city (if we even want that..) so then more spec slots are fine.
CHs, certainly. We're organized so they're pretty easily whippable (2 pop after a turn of investment).
That's be fine.
Well yeah. Maybe some more units need to be built to finish off Louis, but the next batch of units for Cathy can get some practice on Suleiman AND some barb cities.- Suleiman needs to die. His culture is stealing important tiles, like our gems!
Peteropolis has at least a longbow, I remember from my previous (!) set. It must've been pre-settled by the mapmaker despite it not being holy. The name isn't standard. I guess the Christian holy city is east of that one.
By the way, the buddh holy city was filled with 6 archers no less, with some more roaming south.
We'll also need a navy to get to that northern, presumably holy, barb city, so fine with me.
Thanks.- We can see what looks like 6 barb holy cities now. Probably the last is in the NW beyond the Romans. More exploration!
Did my best, indeed should do more scouting. Maybe the galley to the west can also transport the scout to the English Island (aka Eng-land 
) and then possibly round our continent clockwise northward to look there.Yup.
Indeed, most certainly Tours and Orleans but might as well finish him off. Guess we'll get calendar in trade somehow anyway while Louis already did us the favour of improving all those tiles, so we don't actually need calendar all that bad (well, the bananas near Edirne but that's about it IIRC).
Yeah. Some more untis will dramatically lower the odds too.
Paris does look nice enough. Maybe he's a good candidate to be vassaled if we get his cap. I know we need not as we'll eliminate Louis, but Nap could fill out some land for us towards domination.- Napoleon...tempting to conquer him too.
Machinery looks most all round, that's why I chose it, but we'll have to fix the economy a bit first though, as you noted.- Next tech...Machinery looks pretty good, and crossbows could be quite useful. Roman praetorians, anyone?
I'm wondering if we go straight astronomy and trade for feudalism and calendar, if that could be enough, tech wise. Maybe engineering for trebs and road movement, but not a lot more may be needed (literature for HE). I'm specifically thinking of bypassing the whole CS-paper-edu-philo thing. Unless we wanna lib astro instead, of course.
On the GS, maybe I fancy a GA. Possibly we could go representation for a while after we assemble an army for Cathy. That might be in, say, 10 turns from now or so.
City builds if we are going for a domination victory most of our cities should just end up with the basics.. Gran - Barracks - Forge - Ch - Lh and not much else. So don't fancy markets etc,
Picking up what we can in gold is always a good thing and we will have a lot of spare resources so yep sell what we can.
Tech.. Running a golden age and changing to rep/caste would give us a big boost to our tech rate and agree machinery - optics seems a good move,
Note I guess Nap will declare on Louis very soon?
Picking up what we can in gold is always a good thing and we will have a lot of spare resources so yep sell what we can.
Tech.. Running a golden age and changing to rep/caste would give us a big boost to our tech rate and agree machinery - optics seems a good move,
Note I guess Nap will declare on Louis very soon?
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
I was thinking about markets for the economic benefit, but some merchant specialists would not hurt either. Yes, they are expensive to build. But when we are running a non-trivial deficit at 0% science we need to consider slotting a few into our larger cities' build queues. In our better commerce cities they will be well worth it.
I agree that our main focus will continue to be warfare, so most cities can stick to minimal infrastructure. But we need to keep some economy going, whether that is Rep + specialists or lots of cottages or whatever. Something has to fund our mighty military, after all.
I agree that we may not need the whole path to Liberalism, at least as long as none of the AIs get too far ahead of us in tech. Somewhat ahead, we can live with, but no runaways. I think we will want Engineering for the road movement, plus trebs and pikes. We may want CS as well for macemen, but maybe we can live without it? If we can pick up Guilds for knights then we could definitely live without macemen. We will need to push through to Astro it looks like, but hopefully some bulbing could help there. We should consider what we need to avoid to get some bulbs along the Astro line.
Who is up next? With adrianj in Australia I am not sure of the play order.
I agree that our main focus will continue to be warfare, so most cities can stick to minimal infrastructure. But we need to keep some economy going, whether that is Rep + specialists or lots of cottages or whatever. Something has to fund our mighty military, after all.
I agree that we may not need the whole path to Liberalism, at least as long as none of the AIs get too far ahead of us in tech. Somewhat ahead, we can live with, but no runaways. I think we will want Engineering for the road movement, plus trebs and pikes. We may want CS as well for macemen, but maybe we can live without it? If we can pick up Guilds for knights then we could definitely live without macemen. We will need to push through to Astro it looks like, but hopefully some bulbing could help there. We should consider what we need to avoid to get some bulbs along the Astro line.
Who is up next? With adrianj in Australia I am not sure of the play order.
Ronnie1
Deity
From http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13419037&postcount=517
I guess I am up if this order is still accurate. I will grab the save and have a look. PPP to follow.
I was thinking about markets for the economic benefit, but some merchant specialists would not hurt either. Yes, they are expensive to build. But when we are running a non-trivial deficit at 0% science we need to consider slotting a few into our larger cities' build queues. In our better commerce cities they will be well worth it.Atm a market in SL will give + 10 gold per turn with 15 turns to build it. So in one of our best "commerce" cities the payback takes a long time. Obviously this can be done a lot quicker but if were stuck I would rather build wealth boosted by forges for a couple of turns. Rep scientists in caste will let us run as many as we can and provide 6 beakers per turn. Just seems the way to go to me..
I agree that our main focus will continue to be warfare, so most cities can stick to minimal infrastructure. But we need to keep some economy going, whether that is Rep + specialists or lots of cottages or whatever. Something has to fund our mighty military, after all.
I agree that we may not need the whole path to Liberalism, at least as long as none of the AIs get too far ahead of us in tech. Somewhat ahead, we can live with, but no runaways. I think we will want Engineering for the road movement, plus trebs and pikes. We may want CS as well for macemen, but maybe we can live without it? If we can pick up Guilds for knights then we could definitely live without macemen. We will need to push through to Astro it looks like, but hopefully some bulbing could help there. We should consider what we need to avoid to get some bulbs along the Astro line.Have to check but normally to fast bulb Astro you need to avoid Med and CS/Theology to avoid paper. Def don't see any point in going the Lib route to Astro
Who is up next? With adrianj in Australia I am not sure of the play order.
Actually I think if we can avoid opening paper bulbing philosophy would enable us to put a bulb into astro later on.
Ronnie1
Deity
I am not quite sure of the level of PPP required at this point.
By rule we need to eliminate Louis or Nappy, so in the short run,
1) continue warring on Louis
2) don't go broke
3) try not to lose any cities to barbs
4) try not to get into any new wars
5) get forges up most everywhere in a "rolling" fashion so troop additions are constant
6) whip off unimproved tiles if we can't run scientists
7) no civic changes
8) get culture buildings in Rostov if available
Great Scientist bulb preferences through Astronomy. sleepless is correct in that we can bulb on the Astro line if we avoid opening Paper. That means no CS or Theology in the short run. It also means we need to get Machinery and Optics one way or another.
What am I missing?
By rule we need to eliminate Louis or Nappy, so in the short run,
1) continue warring on Louis
2) don't go broke
3) try not to lose any cities to barbs
4) try not to get into any new wars
5) get forges up most everywhere in a "rolling" fashion so troop additions are constant
6) whip off unimproved tiles if we can't run scientists
7) no civic changes
8) get culture buildings in Rostov if available
Great Scientist bulb preferences through Astronomy. sleepless is correct in that we can bulb on the Astro line if we avoid opening Paper. That means no CS or Theology in the short run. It also means we need to get Machinery and Optics one way or another.
Spoiler :
What am I missing?
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
I continue to think markets are a good idea in our high commerce cities. If it takes 15 turns to construct a market in SL, which would yield 10 gpt, then total payoff time is approximately 30 turns. Add a bit for opportunity costs, etc., and call it ~35 turns.
Do we think this game will last more than 35 more turns?
I think the answer is clearly yes. I think this game will likely last quite a lot more than 35 more turns. So building a market in SL (and maybe some other cities) makes sense. This does not even consider the 2 merchant slots or the additional happiness the market provides -- 2 right now (furs and ivory) and up to 4 eventually (whales once we have Optics, silk if/when we control some). And we are not going deep enough into the tech tree to ever obsolete any of the market resources.
Some markets?
Overall I think your general guidelines are good. I would like to see our economic position significantly improved, but right now we need to push conquest hard while some AIs do not yet have longbows. We can consolidate gains and repair our economy once Louis has been crushed. But if you have a chance to fit in a market or two in our best commerce cities, I would do so.
Do we think this game will last more than 35 more turns?
I think the answer is clearly yes. I think this game will likely last quite a lot more than 35 more turns. So building a market in SL (and maybe some other cities) makes sense. This does not even consider the 2 merchant slots or the additional happiness the market provides -- 2 right now (furs and ivory) and up to 4 eventually (whales once we have Optics, silk if/when we control some). And we are not going deep enough into the tech tree to ever obsolete any of the market resources.
Some markets?
Overall I think your general guidelines are good. I would like to see our economic position significantly improved, but right now we need to push conquest hard while some AIs do not yet have longbows. We can consolidate gains and repair our economy once Louis has been crushed. But if you have a chance to fit in a market or two in our best commerce cities, I would do so.
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
I would like to expand upon the question in my last post -- how long do we think this game will last?
The answer to this question will drive a lot of our policies and decisions. If the future is relatively short, then investing in expensive infrastructure (markets, etc.) makes much less sense. We can get by with stop-gap measures such as building wealth or running library scientists to sustain our economy and research. But if the future is relatively long, then we should be looking to grow cities larger, build critical infrastructure, and sustain a balanced economy.
I will repeat this list from earlier. Items in bold are not yet completed.
Game Objectives
1) Achieve victory other than conquest - not yet, leaning towards domination
2) At least one civ from each pair must be eliminated or vassalized (by anybody)
2a) Ottoman - not yet, need to clean up Suleiman's last city at some point
2b) Russian - done, Peter eliminated
2c) French - not yet, at war with Louis now
2d) Roman
2e) English
3) No one else can control a holy city - 0 of 7 so far
4) All of our cities must have at least 2 religions - no cities have any religion yet
5) Have at least 70 temples in our cities - 0 of 70 temples built so far
6) Enter and remain in Free Religion once Liberalism is learned - tech not learned so no need (so far)
We have a lot still to do. A LOT. I would guess that we have easily 100 more turns to go in this game, and maybe more. So we should be thinking longer term. That is enough time for some of the AIs to advance quite a bit more in tech, so we are probably going to need some more military tech ourselves. Engineering for certain, probably Guilds for knights. Plus Astro to reach all the barb holy cities. Lots more military for the Romans and English, plus anyone else we choose to fight along the way. (We may want to leave Catherine alone, just because of the time involved in fighting her.) Not to mention all the religious requirements.
We still need to be thinking long term. It is not yet time to stop all infrastrure investment and build nothing but units and wealth.
The answer to this question will drive a lot of our policies and decisions. If the future is relatively short, then investing in expensive infrastructure (markets, etc.) makes much less sense. We can get by with stop-gap measures such as building wealth or running library scientists to sustain our economy and research. But if the future is relatively long, then we should be looking to grow cities larger, build critical infrastructure, and sustain a balanced economy.
I will repeat this list from earlier. Items in bold are not yet completed.
Game Objectives
1) Achieve victory other than conquest - not yet, leaning towards domination
2) At least one civ from each pair must be eliminated or vassalized (by anybody)
2a) Ottoman - not yet, need to clean up Suleiman's last city at some point
2b) Russian - done, Peter eliminated
2c) French - not yet, at war with Louis now
2d) Roman
2e) English
3) No one else can control a holy city - 0 of 7 so far
4) All of our cities must have at least 2 religions - no cities have any religion yet
5) Have at least 70 temples in our cities - 0 of 70 temples built so far
6) Enter and remain in Free Religion once Liberalism is learned - tech not learned so no need (so far)
We have a lot still to do. A LOT. I would guess that we have easily 100 more turns to go in this game, and maybe more. So we should be thinking longer term. That is enough time for some of the AIs to advance quite a bit more in tech, so we are probably going to need some more military tech ourselves. Engineering for certain, probably Guilds for knights. Plus Astro to reach all the barb holy cities. Lots more military for the Romans and English, plus anyone else we choose to fight along the way. (We may want to leave Catherine alone, just because of the time involved in fighting her.) Not to mention all the religious requirements.
We still need to be thinking long term. It is not yet time to stop all infrastrure investment and build nothing but units and wealth.
McArine
King
I think haphazard1 is right about markets in our high commerce cities.
I also think that we should start thinking about objective 3: No one else can control a holy city.
By far the easiest way of making sure of this, is to grab these cities for ourselves. So I think we should start making forces to do this. Maybe use units built in our cities farthest from the front for this.
I also think that we should start thinking about objective 3: No one else can control a holy city.
By far the easiest way of making sure of this, is to grab these cities for ourselves. So I think we should start making forces to do this. Maybe use units built in our cities farthest from the front for this.
haphazard1
Dancing Bear
One additional suggestion, Ronnie1: build some archers and send them to garrison our new cities, freeing up the more valuable units currently stuck on that task. Throwing a couple more cheap units into Rostov to suppress the flip chance might be a good idea as well. Finally getting the first border pop there should start boosting our control of the center tile, so hopefully the revolt chance will start dropping.
On grabbing a holy city, I agree that we need to be working on this. One complication to consider is that once we have religion, it will almost certainly spread to AIs. And once that happens they will start spreading it themselves -- AIs love religion. And then one of them is going to build the AP. If there is only a single religion available, we could see AP victory votes a lot sooner than would be possible in a "normal" game.
Do we try to pre-empt this by building the AP ourselves? This would require teching Theology, which would block our bulb path for Astro. So maybe we just take the risk and let an AI build it? Could cause problems for us later, with "stop the war" votes and even victory votes. (We barely avoided an AP loss on the last turn in SGOTM19...would hate to see a trend developing! ) But I don't really see us building the AP ourselves.
An alternative would be to wait on taking barb holy cities until we can grab two, and then hope the random spread leads to some AIs adopting different relgions. We might still get unlucky with random spreads, but it would provide some protection against one religion everywhere producing an AP love fest.
On grabbing a holy city, I agree that we need to be working on this. One complication to consider is that once we have religion, it will almost certainly spread to AIs. And once that happens they will start spreading it themselves -- AIs love religion. And then one of them is going to build the AP. If there is only a single religion available, we could see AP victory votes a lot sooner than would be possible in a "normal" game.
Do we try to pre-empt this by building the AP ourselves? This would require teching Theology, which would block our bulb path for Astro.
So maybe we just take the risk and let an AI build it? Could cause problems for us later, with "stop the war" votes and even victory votes. (We barely avoided an AP loss on the last turn in SGOTM19...would hate to see a trend developing! ) But I don't really see us building the AP ourselves.An alternative would be to wait on taking barb holy cities until we can grab two, and then hope the random spread leads to some AIs adopting different relgions. We might still get unlucky with random spreads, but it would provide some protection against one religion everywhere producing an AP love fest.
I will say there might be along way still to go in this game but the AI will not cause us any problems. Look at the amount of cities they have. Whatever happens we will crush them very easily.
I would like to see in Ronnies turnset units attacking the hindu island and probably a few HA's for the Christian city to the East. Would also recommend adopting OR when we next change civics as well. Save the bother of building monasteries for faster spread. We don't need to adopt a religion.
Finally hoping for a lot less than 100 turns in this game.
I would like to see in Ronnies turnset units attacking the hindu island and probably a few HA's for the Christian city to the East. Would also recommend adopting OR when we next change civics as well. Save the bother of building monasteries for faster spread. We don't need to adopt a religion.
Finally hoping for a lot less than 100 turns in this game.
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