SGOTM 20 - Unusual SuspeX
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All of your cities need two religions.
Your cities have to have a total of 70 (or more) temples (settled Great Prophets count as 4).
No requirement on vassal's religion or temples.
Vassal ownership of Holy Cities counts as your control.
Leif is capturing galleys a Civ V thing?
Your cities have to have a total of 70 (or more) temples (settled Great Prophets count as 4).
No requirement on vassal's religion or temples.
Vassal ownership of Holy Cities counts as your control.
Leif is capturing galleys a Civ V thing?
Finally found time to look at the save. We're a long way from having 2 religions in every city.
Why aren't we building missionaries?
Why aren't we building missionaries?
Yeah, don't laugh too hard, get my games confused. Old age is setting in and its not nice to make fun of seniors...
edit - in Civ5, in some cases...
If that is true that is a serious problem for our plans.
You can only have 3 missionaries of each flavor at any given time, including those in queue. With only 2 religions to work with, that was a limiting factor. Note, only time a mish is in queue is if it needs hammers before it can whip.
Anyhow... I played out to t167. We begged Engineering from Augustus. We then bribed him into hindu, because he switched to Theo (no state religion) and could not get spread otherwise. We are waiting for Confu HC to be able to whip its first mish... not having enough units to clear barb culture slowed that down.
We have capped Nappy, but not until his last hindu city was razed/captured. Should have razed the last, maybe, but you guys wanted to keep Chartres, so I kept Paris instead. Right now Peter will also capitulate... but I recall Folket wanted us to kill him? So its a matter of whether we think we'll need his votes or not. Still an option either way.
I see no point in having kept the Christian HC. Just another headache to infect... too many turns revolt to be useful.
I concentracted on getting forces to Judaism city, which probably should be a 2-archer easy to reach target.
Tao blocking city needs to fall (next turn or 2 turns max). Then it needs to be kept, and wait for revolt to end, and whip a galleon. Can consider if a settler and razing would be better. The HC gets razed, of course.
We have 28 cities. Of those, there are 17 with less than 2 religions. We have 3 religions we can spread without further delay... (Islam, Hindu, Bhuda). We have Christian and Confu, but those are going to take time to get up and going.
Churchill and Nappoleon need a hindu city before there can be a VC vote. It is 2t to the next vote, and we won't have religions and temples by then. Theoretically possible by 12t I think. (Islam mish headed to Tao blocker.)
Raze everything from here on out... or gift what you can.
In fact, we might consider gifting "hard-to-infect" cities to our vassals or others.
AP status: Church and Nappy non-members, but Nasppy would take paris off our hands if we want to gift it. Peter should be capped, and his votes will be ours. We PRESENTLY have 420 votes (ours plus August), and need 433/544 votes. Lou's votes are not going to increase quickly, or much at all. So find 13 votes and we win the game (we could do this in 2t, but not all conditions met).
My religion spread was kinda random (minimizing movement turns) rather than planned. If we are going to do this in 12t, that has to change. 22t is a given, even if you let a pathetically inept player like myself do it.
So... can you figure out a way to do this in 12t, spread and whip temples? The Tao blocker whip of galleon is a 7t bottleneck for revolt. But on the bright side, it has enough pop to cold-whip a boat, I think.
All cities (we don't gift) need 2 religions. With 28 cities, some will need 3 religions (14 of them, by my count). Ouch... that's going to be tough. Hindu gives us votes, so is a preferred one.
I'm handing off. This is too much for my brain.
save:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_SuspeX_SG020_AD1070_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
truncated log (combat removed), but no guarantees this is comprehensive:
Spoiler :
My advice: I/we way overbuilt military units, and all cities need to put enough hammers into temples to make them easy whips, unless they can build a mish of any flavor. Check how long it takes to whip out the mish, with regards to how many turns it needs to travel to the target city. That should help decide which cities should build the misses. Of course, there are a few with relatively long transits... and that reduces the number of mishes you can have elsewhere, So its like a suduko puzzle... everything has to fit just right if we're getting this done in 12t.
Hmmm... I would say Bronze Laurels are still up for grabs. Can we do it in 12???
btw... I've had 2-3 spread missions fail. Distance to HC counts. Not sure what a razed HC does.
btw... I've had 2-3 spread missions fail. Distance to HC counts. Not sure what a razed HC does.
Well, if upgrading galleys at6 the christian HC did not improve time to jewish holy city it was a waste yes.
But razing any French city was a mistake. We can always gift them back to Napoleon to get extra votes.
But we are doing great progress.
At the moment I'm most worried about the number of votes. I think we should attack Louis now to bring his votes down. After spreading to Churchill we will need 100 more votes. Can we get that while whipping temples?
But razing any French city was a mistake. We can always gift them back to Napoleon to get extra votes.
But we are doing great progress.
At the moment I'm most worried about the number of votes. I think we should attack Louis now to bring his votes down. After spreading to Churchill we will need 100 more votes. Can we get that while whipping temples?
Well... I did not consider that Vic and Ch would/have switched to Hinduism and start self-spread (though I've played enough religious VC games to know this by now). We do not want to go over 75% ourselves, but that can easily be adjusted by gifting cities. Best scenario is our vassals have lots of votes, though spreading to them may be a waste of missionaries.
Lou, Vic, or Ch are all valid targets if it is vote count your worried about. Its not as though we don't have the units for it. I think where are forces are at the moment favors making Lou the target. But otoh, Vic or Ch capping would be votes for us, whereas Lou will always vote for Lou unless we take the AP city. Not sure who the opponent becomes then.
Anyhow, I think 2 galleons reach Judaist city and its ours. The ballbreaker is Tao, and religion spread so that the number of temples needed can be whipped in time. Note, Lou might cap very quickly if we have lots of war success... and if that's the path we are on, then upgrading HA's t Knights makes a lot of sense. We have lots of extra cash on hand for it. BTW- I regret razing both Chartres and the confu city2 at this point, now I have done the math about city and spread needs. A city needing only 1 religion is probably better than trying to put a 3rd religion in another city. # of temples needed does not change.
Note, I have thus far avoided the cities with no religion (for spread) because they could get free spread. But time is running out, so at some point it is not worth waiting.
BTW- with Rome in Hindu, we get another 30 votes just by infecting their other city (if they don't do it themselves soon). We also get Peter's, and his 2 cities can grow if we let them. Not certain we need any more war.
I tend to agree. We have all these units and need a place to put them, The units in the north (after Peter's capitulation or destruction, plus the extra (not needed for HC's) units in the South... we could roll him pretty quick.
I think the key is figuring out which cities to take, which to raze, and which to gift, plus comming up with the most effective plan to get 2 religions in all cities and enough spread to get 70 temples.
Piece of pie, easy as cake.
Piece of pie, easy as cake.
Easy when you know how.Piece of pie, easy as cake.
SteelHorse
Deity
Are you sure distance to HC counts on missionary missions?
According to this article, distance doesn't matter.
Missionary Fails
SteelHorse
Deity
I think the key is figuring out which cities to take, which to raze, and which to gift, plus comming up with the most effective plan to get 2 religions in all cities and enough spread to get 70 temples.
Piece of pie, easy as cake.
Any city we take and keep from here on out will need to:
1. Come out of revolt.
2. Get 2 religions
3. Get 2 temples
So it is probably best to gift/liberate to our vassals rather than keep.
Took at look at the save. Here is the current religious picture for our existing cities:
Spoiler :
Getting Hindu to the cities lacking it will double the number of votes from those cities.
We have 28 cities with 36 religion. Rome has a settled GP so that counts for 4 temples. So with our existing cities we need at least 30 more successful spreads to get to 70 (there are 2 cities with no religion, so we might get free spread there but not worth waiting and hoping for.) 20 of these will go to getting 2 religions in each city. So 10 will need 3. Given the spread odds (2 @ 100%, 20 @ 90% and 10 @ 80%) will need to generate approx 2 + 22 + 12 = 36 missionaries if my math is right.
