However, good suggestions on wb options. I'll look into when CornCity can get one out.
No. I remember looking into that. It's very late. Maybe good for the 2nd clams wb, but that doesn't help solve the 1-turn-late-fishisland#3 boat
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No. I remember looking into that. It's very late. Maybe good for the 2nd clams wb, but that doesn't help solve the 1-turn-late-fishisland#3 boat
Well, most games, EPs go completely wasted, so to me it's free money.
Would anyone give me the green light to move the spy NW and camp in amsterdam T74-79, steal on T80? We could buy info that turn then too.
We'd lost track of what he's researching.
We'd lost track of what he's researching.
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Sure, green light. I'd still like to see some unit exploring north of Clams. We're already really late exploring and if there's good settling sites up there we want to know it, especially gold, marble or stone.
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Note, however, by comparison that stealing CoL in Amsterdam should cost about 419eps or in Shaka Sheep, gifted to Willem, about 213 eps.
I think we could use those eps in more ways than just for gold at a lousy conversion rate.
You decide. We can always use the espionage slider if we want to steal techs.
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Guess we'd have to kill him in that case, the sneak.
What are your thoughts on going down on Willem or keeping him as a trade partner?
I'm not sure we shoulda refused Willy. I don't recall what he demanded, but we'd be close to Friendly with that +2 point swing.
hmm... There are 9 AI, so plenty of trading partners. After we know we don't need any more info, we probably kill him. Unless he's mowed down all those forests already. That's another great reason to gift cities. It keeps the workers busy roading instead of chopping.
random daydreaming...
A little later, we could chain gift him CornCity and newly settled NorthFish. Then immediately take back corncity and some of his core and workers. Cease Fire- leaving him NorthFish and one other city for a while.
...or something less complicated...kill them all!
hmm...
It would send the spy all the way back to start
and it could get caught.
and it could fail (16% chance)
and then there's the problem where Willy has too much gold. We need to steal all or none. If our EPs are not high enough, we don't get the option to steal anything
.So, thx for the green light, but I doubt I'll do it unless someone else wants to.
edit: I also don't want to build a scout, so the spy should probably jump on the boat.
Willi had demanded Alpha, back at the time it was our biggest (by far) trading chip. If he had asked for anything else, we probably would have accepted.
I like stealing whatever gold we can get from Willy. Yes, we can get a better rate on tech, but we can also get the tech in trades more easily.
I also am convinced we should whip out Willy once we have all the clues... Indeed, I would be tempted to gift him a city in our NE, and whip him out before even buying the remaining clues, except for that one city.... Then, buy much of the final clues with workers, and immediatly get them back by whipping out his final cities.
I like stealing whatever gold we can get from Willy. Yes, we can get a better rate on tech, but we can also get the tech in trades more easily.
I also am convinced we should whip out Willy once we have all the clues... Indeed, I would be tempted to gift him a city in our NE, and whip him out before even buying the remaining clues, except for that one city.... Then, buy much of the final clues with workers, and immediatly get them back by whipping out his final cities.
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Wille only has 3 cities right now, so no chain-gifting needed yet. I'd rather gift him Shaka Sheep, though, so we don't have to waste 100h on a settler. Shaka Sheep is too far from the 2 Wille cities we know about. We'll see what happens. Why are AIs settling so slowly?
I'm not seeing any reason to hold up play. I'm gonna press on. Not sure about the spy yet.
I can probably get a scout on the galley T82 instead of the spy now that Clams wb#2 comes from Corncity. I'll turn the orginal clams#2 wb into a scout.
I can probably get a scout on the galley T82 instead of the spy now that Clams wb#2 comes from Corncity. I'll turn the orginal clams#2 wb into a scout.
for the record, I"m going with:
SW
mine first
road 2t (since we're there...again)
NW
mine
S-road
(then maybe road west or cottage GC)
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For the record, I had earlier recommended a scout to go into Lizzie's land and hopefully continue onward into other AI lands, eventually, meeting whoever's on our landmass. Point being, it's relatively safe for the scout inside their culture.
I'm less certain sending a scout to the north, which seems to be virgin land, is safe. So when I requested another unit to replace the spy, I was thinking one of the warriors up there.
Currently, Amsterdam shows we need 3 hundred some eps to steal gold. Did that change after we gifted him the gold? Another possibility is to steal it from a city with less population. One other drawback from making this attempt, btw, is we could also pick up a negmod in addition to failing. All of that is far less likely when we gift a city with our culture in it and with the spy already fortified for 50%.
I'm less certain sending a scout to the north, which seems to be virgin land, is safe. So when I requested another unit to replace the spy, I was thinking one of the warriors up there.
Currently, Amsterdam shows we need 3 hundred some eps to steal gold. Did that change after we gifted him the gold? Another possibility is to steal it from a city with less population. One other drawback from making this attempt, btw, is we could also pick up a negmod in addition to failing. All of that is far less likely when we gift a city with our culture in it and with the spy already fortified for 50%.
Turnset Report T72 -
T72
Isabella is +7 towards us
Yes, we had a date, and I was that good
I taught her how to write (she demanded it.) She won't trade anything anyway and only has 10 gold.
Our NE land is fully defogged now. (obviously not the water.)
T73
Great News! Willy will trade IW+65 for Alpha. We have not moved our settler yet, so it'd be nice to see Iron first.
Trade made.
Even with all the new land I reavealed, there is only one iron.
Poly is available for trade
Stopping to plan HBR war.
Log:
uploaded.
T72
Isabella is +7 towards us
Yes, we had a date, and I was that good
I taught her how to write (she demanded it.) She won't trade anything anyway and only has 10 gold.
Our NE land is fully defogged now. (obviously not the water.)
T73
Great News! Willy will trade IW+65 for Alpha. We have not moved our settler yet, so it'd be nice to see Iron first.
Trade made.
Even with all the new land I reavealed, there is only one iron.
Spoiler :
Poly is available for trade
Stopping to plan HBR war.
Log:
Spoiler :
I'm officially skipping the steal. I don't want to lose info on what tech he's researching. Stealing from a low pop city won't get us much gold. With no roads yet, it's a long trip back.
I can put the warrior on the boat too. But the scout could easly jump off in Liz's land.
It'd be nice to have someone to ride along and explore the north. When will barb galleys spoil our fun?
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I think barb galleys will start spawning some time in the T85-t95 range, but it could be earlier. That's another reason to get our northeast fully defogged, including coastal waters. A barb galley there could wreak havoc on our seafood. Unless of course, we want to build a trireme and start collecting XP. 
Next turn I'll pause briefly T73 to re-visit a furisland whip.
I see that I could have Athens work the Fur tile and still get the wb out for fishisland.
I didn't like leaving the fur unworked before.
I see that I could have Athens work the Fur tile and still get the wb out for fishisland.
I didn't like leaving the fur unworked before.
Willy will trade IW+65 for Alpha. We have not moved our settler yet, so it'd be nice to see Iron first. No one else will trade it.
Do it obviously, yes?
Do it obviously, yes?
