SGOTM 23 - Turbo Ants

That keeps happening to me too. We're getting the 3rd from Econ. ;) :lol:

oh yea :hammer2:
Still, wouldn't it be wise to pop a 4th? Or are we better off with hammers/knights?

I think I want to run scientists in Lisbon btw. Adding more as it grows. Maybe try to get one knight out of there first. It's funny how un-improved plains-river tiles don't look so bad when you're in a golden age.
 
So Lisbon can grow and MM whatever makes sense. The rest of the MM should revolve around units we need, right? Istanbul might be more productive running scientists than building knights, if possible, for the beaker bonus. That gives us one eventual GS if no coal. Another from Alexa.
 
so no counter espionage mission?
Well, our spy could do it at 100% on t115 or about 105 eps, which 30% ep slider for 1t. That's a chunk beakers.

No idea what the code prioritizes, but I'm willing to bet that the spy will see the sheep pasture (on its way Hamburg), and say, hey, I can destroy that right now. Bam. That's fine with us. We'll even have workers around there, though I think mines and workshops are more important.
 
Also, I'm reluctant to put any eps on Stalin so he doesn't increase his on us, so I'd not put our eps on him at all right now. Only the slider at the last minute if at all.
 
We should probably try to see the coal at least a few days early, in case no coal, so we can play around the clock to finish if needed.
 
Ok, so we move a HA toward Bombay this turn and should capture next turn, T112. Then what? next significant capture gold could be T116. Or would we get a KK city before that? Or a Mao city T115?

I'm trying to figure out how much trade mission $$ we can spend...
We have money for 2 turns plus a 3rd turn using Gandhi-gold and tech trade. That means we need to keep another ~350 from the trade mission to get to T116.

So probably spend 1000 of the 1300. Or do I worry too much about this?
 
Ok, so we move a HA toward Bombay this turn and should capture next turn, T112. Then what? next significant capture gold could be T116. Or would we get a KK city before that? Or a Mao city T115?

I'm trying to figure out how much trade mission $$ we can spend...
We have money for 2 turns plus a 3rd turn using Gandhi-gold and tech trade. That means we need to keep another ~350 from the trade mission to get to T116.

So probably spend 1000 of the 1300. Or do I worry too much about this?
Note that Gandhi has some workers just beyond Bombay that we want to capture next turn, if possible. Also, our two workers with knight should move to Bombay-sw so they can road next turn. Or Bombay-w and hope any workers on the sugar hide in Bombay?

Anyway, I have trouble thinking in terms of capture gold without knowing the overall capture plan. ZPV had it all figured out. :cry: Bottom line to me, though, is that the trade mission gold is definitely there for research if needed, so that factors in to the planning. The basic questions I think are: 1) capture plan for multiple fronts, 2) units needed and city MM, 3) how many upgrades do we need and where? That all should feed into your research planning. Also, if we can't finish till T125 or T126, that eases our warring a bit.
 
If we're going for about T125/T126 victory, that gives us a lot of turns for conquest and maybe KK's a bitless of an urgency, despite his distance. Obviously we prioritize Orient Express cities = Mao. We could go for 3 Churchill island cities on T116, with the 4th possibly on T117. Is that significant for our tech rate?
 
We need to finish our plannning today or tomorrow, play the turnset.

It would be really nice if we could vassalize Stalin asap, in case he'll have the only coal, so we can tech him up safely. Pollina? You there? Could you wire that?
 
I suspect we will have to attack Russia a little to knock down either their power, population, land% or two of those three. I imagined we'd take the Churchil army there for that purpose after churchill is under control. Was there other plans for these units? were they going to Sal?

We can also hit Russia from the other side with the KK/Mao armies.

I realize this is not early like you were hoping.

We will have to remember to DoW Russia early so he will be ready to talk.

Or...none of that is necessary (or we have it as a backup plan) and we'll have the land+power to get insta-vassal with a 4-city gift/recapture.

Either way, we won't be getting that very soon.
 
ok, knights in Istanbul and Thebes(3) for now plus one in Lisbon and Paris.
Later we switch to specialists since a late knight wouldn't see much fighting.

No more than the 4 galleys up north, right?
 
KK plan

We could capture KK 114 if there is a road on the Fur. We'll send 3 knights 1 worker followed by 'up to a crapload' 1 turn later. (how many is too many for KK? I'm thinking we're better off sending as much as possible thru Gandhi and up thru Mao so they end up near Russia.)

I missed we had a worker for the FurRoad -- complete T114!

(assuming no road on the Fur til 115)
HA 33 at Berlin-E can join the 3knights for a T115 capture. Therefore we will NOT upgrade him, he'll head east (after the road) this turn.


Every other HA going east to KK can gather at the new road (Berlin N2E) for a T112 upgrade. These will all arrive at KK's Deer T115. This will allow them to move thru exactly enough movement to capture Turfan or the capital T117.

We can afford TWO upgrades this turn if we trade for 70 gold. Easy. edit: no, we'd need 110
Not sure we want to use them for KK units. Instead push harder on Gandhi/Mao.
I still need to study that situation and Churchill.

You thoughts on KK so far?
 
No more than the 4 galleys up north, right?
My first plan had 5 galleys up north, but that didn't go after Coventry, which should be island and easy T116 pickins'.

Churchill Data

1. York is at 88:culture: @2cpt = 40% on T117 :eek:, next best is Hastings at 38.
2. Coastal tiles wherever our galleys want to go.
3. We need a plusmod to get Churchill to Pleased by T116 to revolt him to Castes. = Resource trades. 50 trade-turns per plusmod, don't know how many we've accumulated, but we have 6 resources we can trade immediately (ONE AT A TIME!!!) plus 2 ongoing. That will give us another 40 trade-turns.
4. If Churchill's defenses remain as they are, I think I'd go for T116 capture Hastings+Canterbury amphibiously, T117 capture York by land, while bombarding London's defenses. The point being to grab 3 island cities asap for our economy.
5. DUmp the chariot at Nottingham at Canterbury asap to keep tabs on military build up and get the galley back to pick up units for T116 DoW.
6. Plan to use T115/116 Paper to scout Churchill's tundra city.

Hastings: 2 galleys (build 1 galley in SQ?) with 2 CII amphib knights + 2 knights/HAs
Canterbury: 1 galley with 1 CII amphib knight + 1 knight (can help with York if not used, if no culture on Cant-nw after capture)
York: 1 galley with 2 knights
London: 1 galley with 1 knight + 1 accuracy cat(chop in Paris?)


That's assuming, of course, the other fronts can spare the 3 knights from the Berlin queue. If not, then capture in some other pattern. In any case, I don't really see a problem wiping Churchill out pretty fast. At the very least the last Berlin knights can attack Churchill amphibiously.

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Can anyone foggaze whether Churchill's far northern tundra city is on a hill or not?


to be continued



I'd still go with 5 galleys. They'll be useful for chaining those units somewhere and workers too, if we get some.


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Churchill Data

1. York is at 88:culture: @2cpt = 40% on T117 :eek:, next best is Hastings at 38.
2. Coastal tiles wherever our galleys want to go.
3. We need a plusmod to get Churchill to Pleased by T116 to revolt him to Castes. = Resource trades. 50 trade-turns per plusmod, don't know how many we've accumulated, but we have 6 resources we can trade immediately (ONE AT A TIME!!!) plus 2 ongoing. That will give us another 40 trade-turns.
4. If Churchill's defenses remain as they are, I think I'd go for T116 capture Hastings+Canterbury amphibiously, T117 capture York by land, while bombarding London's defenses. The point being to grab 3 island cities asap for our economy.
5. DUmp the chariot at Nottingham at Canterbury asap to keep tabs on military build up and get the galley back to pick up units for T116 DoW.
6. Plan to use T115/116 Paper to scout Churchill's tundra city.

Hastings: 2 galleys (build 1 galley in SQ?) with 2 CII amphib knights + 2 knights/HAs
Canterbury: 1 galley with 1 CII amphib knight + 1 knight (can help with York if not used, if no culture on Cant-nw after capture)
York: 1 galley with 2 knights
London: 1 galley with 1 knight + 1 accuracy cat(chop in Paris?)


That's assuming, of course, the other fronts can spare the 3 knights from the Berlin queue. If not, then capture in some other pattern. In any case, I don't really see a problem wiping Churchill out pretty fast. At the very least the last Berlin knights can attack Churchill amphibiously.

I finally found some plan for Churchill. (xpost)

I'd like to use less galleys. We already have 4 almost complete, so no less than 4.
I'd like the London bombard at London-W. It blocks a lot of worker chops. See if we can get units to brexit. I would do one Amphib Knight in Paris since it's half built and we have a stable there, and the Accuracy Cat in SQ since CEB doesn't have a rax. Paris will probably need a workshop or two and work the copper T114, but I'm sure these 2 cities can work it out. Cat must be moving T114. FurCity Knight goes to London. Paris knight can move T115 for T116 DoW in the North-Church area.

So I'd go for Canter/Hasting/London plans above.
Skip the York galley
 
My thoughts on KK:
0. KK is completely backwards still. We don't want any of our units to die.
1. Karakorum is 60% on a hill. 9.9str archer and 9.15 archer. Use two 13 str XP knights. (Not March)
2. Heal those two CIII knights for Old Sarai, also on a hill.
3. Other knights can be March.
4. Beshbalik. 7.05 archer at best. Need 3 March knights plus clean-up.
5. Conclusion: 2@ 7XP knights (March) + C2HA for T115 Beshbalik capture. 2@9XP knights (C3) for T116 Karakorum. 2@C3HA backups. T116 best-case scenario. All of thoae are available now in the Berlin area.


Notes:
1. We can also upgrade HAs in Beshbalik, as needed.
2. T116 Churchill plans need to dovetail with KK plans, to ensure adequate units for both.

Edit: 3. My next post just rolled onto the next page.

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