SGOTM 23 - Turbo Ants

[LowtherCastle]

so we don't dow on 69 ...whenever we're ready. Waiting only means we wait a little more for math. Otherwise there's no real urgent reason

Okay, but now we're at T72 capture Alexa by land or T74 capture Thebes by land. Plus, that T72 only has 1 spy, not 2.

Anyway, I can run the the T72, if that's what we want.

 

[ZPV]

I don't really have much to add at this point, other than that I'm happy with the direction we're going.

 

[Mitchum]

If this were my game and I were playing it safe, I'd go for 6 HAs and 2 spies. That prevents a bad roll in either war or tech stealing. The soonest we can make that happen and get stuff in place would be the DoW date.

If we're willing to take a risk with 4 HAs and 1 spy, so be it. But what is the time difference between those two DoW dates? From LC's recent posts, it doesn't seem like the safer date would be much later.

The Hatty-GS-bulb-Philo thing is a separate topic and we pull the trigger on the tech trades if/when needed.

EDIT: xpost Missed the first two posts on this page.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Okay, I'm about done messing around with all this MM.

Spoiler :

I'll go ahead and play on a bit in a short while. If anyone's out there, hollar. If you're wondering why I'm building so many roads, it's what I do best.

 

[LowtherCastle]

PPP T63-T??

Research Currency at 0%
Espionage slider 100% Hatty for 2t, then decide.
IW to Gandhi for Polytheism
Move Jesus toward FurCity
Monitor Thebes+Alexa gps etc.
Monitor Hatty tech choice.
Mobilize for World War V.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Report T63-

T631480BC
Hatty 28f, 4h, 152gnp, Math(1)
Alexa 1097c, 35h, Hamlet(9t), Cottage(9t), Cottage(8t)
Thebes 1001c, 6h

Trade IW to Gandhi for Polytheism.
Mao+Sal -1 negmods. Mehmed doesn't care.

IT
Alexa grows to pop4!!!
Hatty's workers are building a cottage at Alexa-e
WT gets his wish. Hatty's teching Construction!

T64 1440BC
Hatty 28f, 4h, 151gnp, Constr(5)
Alexa pop4, 1120c, 37h, Hamlet(8t), Cottage(8t), Cottage(7t)
Thebes pop7, 1034c, 8h

IT
Alex demands we cancel our deals with Hatty. Nope. -1 negmods.
WT's Wet Tream is slowing coming to pass: Alexa = +2 sci.

T65 1400BC
We have city visibility in Thebes (archer+warrior) and Alexa (WC+warrior). How do you spell sitting ducks?
Hatty has a third worker mining at Thebes-ne. Fairly evident Hatty has no iron in its culture.
Hatty 25f, 4h, 169gnp, Constr(3)
Alexa pop4, 1143c, 39h, Hamlet(7t), Cottage(8t), Cottage(6t), +2 sci-turns!!
Thebes pop7, 1067c, 10h

Our warrior sees into Athens (archer, CI warrior, worker). 17h. Roaming Ci warrior. No castle, just a monument. Wonder why. Lots of plains tiles. We could capture it with 2+1 HAs.

Jesus spreads himself to FC. Our maintenance goes down to 6gpt, then back up to 7gpt after whipping CEB.
We now have 177eps on Hatty and the %cost is 102%, more than enough for Math. Switch to Currency? We're almost out of cash. I'll go to 0% slider and buildup some cash reserves. Although we're a turn and a quarter from investigating her cities. Hmbody. Not wildly enthusiastic about delaying Currency, especially when it looks like the Alexa GS is on. We have time, we'll wait another turn to decide.

IT
Joao finally has a worker on his iron tile. Build a road: 1 turn. Should our idle HAs in the galley harvest a worker or two?
Munich(Fredburg) is defended by a Spear+Axe+Archer. Kid-punk.

T66 1360BC
Hatty 25f, 4h, 168gnp, Constr(3)
Alexa pop4, 1166c, 41h, Hamlet(6t), Cottage(8t), Cottage(5t), Cottage(10t), +4 sci-turns total!!
Thebes pop7, 1100c, 12h

BSP put a purple-blue line on the south side of FC-3s2e. Weird.
Athens and plains-hill sheep and grew to pop4. The archer defends it alone. Worker stagnant.

Alexa is on target for a T69 GS so we can go another turn at 0% slider. We'll need more cash anyway to tech Currency before we can capture Alexa. Give us another turn to see if Hatty will go for Currency after Construction. Plus, this will the last <enter> before I upload.

IT
Gandhi adopts Buddhism.
Mao adopts OrgRel.

T67 1320BC
Hatty 30f, 4h, 161gnp, Constr(2)
Alexa pop4, 1189c, 43h, Hamlet(5t), Cottage(8t), Cottage(4t), Cottage(10t), +6 sci-turns total!!
Thebes pop7, 1129c, 14h, -1 artist-turn!

UPLOADED SAVE for discussion.

Here is your Session Turn Log from 1480 BC to 1320 BC:

Spoiler :

Turn 63, 1480 BC: You have discovered Polytheism!

Turn 65, 1400 BC: Paris has grown to size 6.
Turn 65, 1400 BC: FurCity can hurry Spy for 1&#8692; with 24&#8484; overflow and +1&#8676; for 24 turns.
Turn 65, 1400 BC: Cow-E-Bunga has grown to size 3.
Turn 65, 1400 BC: Cow-E-Bunga can hurry Horse Archer for 1&#8692; with 9&#8484; overflow and +1&#8676; for 23 turns.
Turn 65, 1400 BC: Christianity has spread in FurCity.
Turn 65, 1400 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 20 &#8484; for FurCity.
Turn 65, 1400 BC: FurCity will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 65, 1400 BC: Mao Zedong has founded Nanjing in a distant land.

Turn 66, 1360 BC: Paris will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 66, 1360 BC: Paris can hurry Horse Archer for 2&#8692; with 28&#8484; overflow and +1&#8676; for 23 turns.
Turn 66, 1360 BC: FurCity has grown to size 3.
Turn 66, 1360 BC: Clearing a Forest has created 20 &#8484; for FurCity.
Turn 66, 1360 BC: Paris will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 66, 1360 BC: Gandhi converts to Buddhism!
Turn 66, 1360 BC: Mao Zedong adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 67, 1320 BC: Paris has grown to size 7.
Turn 67, 1320 BC: FurCity can hurry Galley for 1&#8692; with 18&#8484; overflow and +1&#8676; for 22 turns.
Turn 67, 1320 BC: Mao Zedong is the worst enemy of Gandhi.

 

[LowtherCastle]

We have an opportunity to steal a Joao worker (or more if we're lucky) on the iron tile, on T68. The worker(s) could re-board T69, while the HAs went SE. T70 the worker(s) disembark on Spice Island, HAs board galley at Spice Island-sw, galley moves to Rally Point. T71 DoW, land. T72 capture Alexa.

Of course, this precludes the amphibious attack, which we coulddo from the eastern rally point if we give up Joao's workers.

Other decisions: Tech Currency at 100% now?

 

[Pollina]

Nice progress!

Moscow has 126 hammers into a build. Should be the Great Wall, right?

 

[Mitchum]

Looking good, LC. Nice job keeping up on Hatty daily activities.

Without seeing a screenshot I'd say skip the workers and focus on the Hatty DoW.

Edit: or does stealing them not delay anything?

 

[Pollina]

Tough call. Free workers are always useful. But I think we should go for a T71 amphibious attack on Alexa now that it looks like we won't have to bribe Hatty into Slavery.

 

[Pollina]

What is Hatty bulding in Alexa? Can't be a temple or library (no SPI or CRE bonus). Monastery seems unlikely. Rax (44h) would finish next turn. Granary (52h) would finish t72... Unless Hatty bulbs Philo on t70, which would make her enter the Medieval era and reduce the granary's construction cost to 51h. Finished t71. Would be sweet if she built a granary for us.

 

[ZPV]

Joao's city would work for an Egyptian enclave, wouldn't it? Can we steal the workers, capture the city, and still capture Alexa on a reasonable timeframe?
EDIT: No, not if it hasn't grown to size 2 yet.

 

[LowtherCastle]

What is Hatty bulding in Alexa? Can't be a temple or library (no SPI or CRE bonus). Monastery seems unlikely. Rax (44h) would finish next turn. Granary (52h) would finish t72... Unless Hatty bulbs Philo on t70, which would make her enter the Medieval era and reduce the granary's construction cost to 51h. Finished t71. Would be sweet if she built a granary for us.

You're too much, Pollina. I was assuming there's no way for the granary. Yes, I agree that we should DoW Hatty if she goes all Medieval on us. I also now prefer the amphibious attack, as much as I'd like to deny Joao his iron. Thebes is just too delicious to pass up.

 

[WastinTime]

I'd rather grab the worker after the mine is complete and get the pillage gold

 

[WastinTime]

If we snag a couple of hotties workers we should consider pillaging a couple cottages too

 

[LowtherCastle]

If we snag a couple of hotties workers we should consider pillaging a couple cottages too

Would you pillage the hamlet and the village also? Do we intend farm those fps?

Do we start Currency now or wait for Math (knock on wood)? Any chance Hatty will tech it for us in the BCs?

 

[LowtherCastle]

Do we cottage or farm Paris-2n1e (=CEB-2w1s)? RSVP.

 

[WastinTime]

I would probably spare the Village. Hamlet would depend

 

[Mitchum]

We've already started down the path of cottaging Paris. I think I would cottage 2n1e.

I would pillage cottages but that's probably it.

Are you waiting for feedback to play on?

 

[ZPV]

Would you pillage the hamlet and the village also? Do we intend farm those fps?

Do we start Currency now or wait for Math (knock on wood)? Any chance Hatty will tech it for us in the BCs?

Well I don't think we need to run any more 100% gold. It's either tech or EPs. I'd probably tech Meditation because nobody will give that to us any time soon and we need it for Philo. I would like to wait for Maths for Currency. Not going to get Currency from Hatty though. Too much else to steal from her, and it shouldn't wait.

Village: no. A 3f4c tile isn't to be sniffed at.
Hamlets/Cottages: Yes, that's a lot of gold we could get, and the farms will be useful in a known GPP source.

Do we cottage or farm Paris-2n1e (=CEB-2w1s)? RSVP.

Cottage. CEB isn't going to be a whipping post long-term either way, and Paris still needs cottages grown for it.

P.S. I favour the amphibious attack on Alexa, hopefully snagging the nearby pair of workers if we have a spare HA.