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[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Unusual Suspects

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession GOTM' started by AlanH, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. SittinDown

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    Religions:
    • Hinduism founded T-9.
    • No Buddhism yet.
    Scouting / AI:
    • Nothing good found in scouting.
    • No new rivals met.
    • Realized that Cahokia had a totem pole since turn 0. So, some map-maker assist is going on. (See above post).
    • I didn't look at our tech rate closely enough to determine if SB was gifted Myst, or the Totem pole was just added as a freebee.
    • Found SB's land. He's pretty close. He's going to be a tough one to attack early, with PRO, and early totem pole.
    Cities:
    • Work boat just finished in capital. Recommend: 1-turn into WORK BOAT, to grow to size 2 then worker. Extra work boat can scout that island to the South, and we probably don't need a warrior for a little while.
    • Mysticism just teched. Recommend: Play start Monument in E (Vienne). Monument takes 10 turns. Worker doesn't have much useful to do before border pop anyway, and border pop is +2 GPT, so earlier is nice.
    • Recommend: Play test whether founding 1E of Wheat is better now, or after we get a few turns into AH.
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  2. SittinDown

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    Who is up next?
     
  3. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    good job! we should friend sb for a while... ob at least. he likes to beg, so it could cost.
     
  4. Deckhand

    Deckhand Procrastination at its finest GOTM Staff

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    Zhary, kcd or DS - who has time?
    I have more time for games now than over the last month; but still not enough. Maybe in a few weeks.

    Definitely open borders with writing. We need to scout past his land and beyond.
     
  5. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    I could execute a very detailed plan "whenever". But I should not be allowed to write the plan since I struggled on a recent warlords level BoTM. Civ6 thinking in a Civ4 game is very dangerous.

    Tell me what to do, and I can (probably) do it without too many issues.
     
  6. SittinDown

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    [I did no new analysis of this.]

    Turn 10 -
    • Start Monument in E.
    • Move work boat to improve seafood.
    • Have capital put 1- turn into WorkBoat.
    • Begin researching AH.
    Turn 11-
    • Switch Capital to Worker.
    • Improve seafood, and begin using that tile.

    Turns 12-20
    • Explore and run slider at 0% until AH can be researched.
    Turn ?
    • Found city 1-E of Wheat with build order: Worker -> Monument. This delays AH, but should pay off well once the Wheat. Originally when the 2 furs were in the 1-st ring, this was a no-brainer, settle ASAP. I still tend to think settling earlier and getting the city going is more valuable than improving brown cows in the capital.
     
  7. Deckhand

    Deckhand Procrastination at its finest GOTM Staff

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    Pause if meet anyone or any decisions
     
  8. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    (Turn ?
    • Found city 1-E of Wheat with build order: Worker -> Monument. This delays AH, but should pay off well once the Wheat. Originally when the 2 furs were in the 1-st ring, this was a no-brainer, settle ASAP. I still tend to think settling earlier and getting the city going is more valuable than improving brown cows in the capital.)
    This is kind of a big decision... I can't see value in having the settler standing there waiting.
    Also, it sound like you see a conflict for the worker (that we don't have yet) in capitol and 1-east of wheat. Not sure what you are thinking?
     
  9. SittinDown

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    My gut says to also settle 1-E of wheat now.

    I just wanted to point out that settling a 3rd city now will delay Animal Husbandry, so the cow tile in the capital will be slower to get improved. [But I think it's a good trade anyway, since there are still 4 improvable tiles in the capital before the cow anyway.]
     
  10. ChrisShaffer

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    I don't think you're in a hurry for brown cow, even if chocolate milk is delicious.
     
  11. SittinDown

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    Ok - sounds like we all agree to settle 1-E of Wheat now, and start a worker there.

    Anyone want to play the turns?

    I can later tonight but I don't want to take over the whole thing.
     
  12. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    Go for it, SD. I wouldn't be able to do it before tomorrow night (about 23 hours from now). Green.
     
  13. SittinDown

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    T-10
    • Founded 1-E of Wheat, started worker.
    T-11
    • Scouted Cahokia. ..........he doesn't have a monument..... he has a CASTLE. +25% :espionage: on a hill. His land looks like junk. His city is size one, and he's working a river plains.

    T-12-20
    • Scouting, waiting for worker to be ready. Watching ESPIONAGE, SB may have met someone else - he is only putting +5 on us now, but was putting +6 on us earlier, so there's probably someone reachable to the East once we OB.
    T-19
    • Got enough gold to start 100% towards AH - put 1 turn into AH. I still think AH -> Writing is a good option, since we don't have to build settlers, chopping is less useful quite this early.

    T-20
    • (Oops, I missed Buddhism getting founded in 3720 BC) :(
    • Did not meet anyone.
    • Basically finished scouting with our settlers.
    • Worker ready in capital.

    Scouting some very nice land to the NE, couple possible city spots.
    Spoiler NW :

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  14. ChrisShaffer

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    I never thought I'd see the day when we might call cold frozen tundra "very nice." And yet, it is. I like 3 food 3 commerce in the center because it's got forests it can work or chop.
     
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  15. SittinDown

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    Good point.
     
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  17. SittinDown

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    I don't have a strong opinion yet on where to go next. Seems like we just need to pound through some turns here, get the workers going, explore other islands with a spare WB or two, finish AH, and pick a tech path like mining / bw, wheel, writing, sailing.
     
  18. kcd_swede

    kcd_swede Jag är Viking!½ GOTM Staff

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    Well, we could just improvise. LOL... that is how I play in my own games. (Not recommended for anything other than mediocracy).
     
  19. SittinDown

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    I made that mistake with the Ramses GOTM-193. Was like "Warlord..... sweet start.... I don't even need to think.... <an hour later>.... crap, I squandered that. I mean, it's completely winnable, sure, but ugh."
     
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  20. SittinDown

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    Anyone else want to weigh in on next PPP?
     

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