SGOTM 9 - Bede

[Bahzell]

Here's the Save http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm9/Bede_SG009_AD1050_01.SAV

Turn 0/950AD : Enter

IBT: Bedeville Berserker -> Caravel, Mason Canal Caravel -> Musketman
Tromso Settler -> Berserker, Risor Berserker -> Musketman

Turn 1/960AD

Upgrade Galley in IC to Caravel

IBT: Mongols are now a Democracy according to CA2

Turn 2/970AD

Loading troops for the trip to Celtic Lands

IBT: EII Worker -> Musketman, Spanish Galley sails into sight near CM#2
Isabella informs us:

Turn 3/980AD

Upgrade VSS Madviking(Galley) to VSS Madviking(Caravel)

IBT: Bedeville Caravel -> Caravel, Peace treaty with Genghis ends, guess he's happy with the luxes we are exporting to him.

Turn 4/990AD

Zzzz

IBT: Spain lands MI & Musketman NW of Elverurn(for a preemptive strike on us), AC produced by SoZ in Bedeville

Turn 5/1000AD

Berserker in CM#1 moving toward Twonky's for def.
AC in Bedeville on Goto to Keansburg for def.
MI in Carthage to Elverurn for def.
Upgrade Galley in IW to Caravel
While checking diplo opportunites with Brennus I notice

IBT: Isabella seems to have a bad case of PMS cuz she

So begins the 2nd Spanish/Viking War.
Spanish MI dies to our MI in Elverurn
Spanish Musketman kills our MI in Elverurn thus

2nd Spanish Galley appears SW of Elverurn
Bahzville Settler -> Musketman, Crazy Caravel -> Musketman, Birka Knight -> Knight, then I get the following news

Turn 6/1010AD

MI from Falun to N of Elverurn
Berserker from CM#1 to NE of Elverurn
Berserker heading to Twonky's to NE of Elverurn
Move CIF Fleet around Celtic Boundary towards Spanish Valencia
Knight in Birka to Twonky's for def.

IBT: Spanish Galley's sail out of sight
Bedeville Caravel -> Berserker, Mason Canal Musketman -> Musketman,
Madville Knight -> Knight, Aarhus Knight -> Berserker

Turn 7/1020AD

CIF Fleet renamed SIF Fleet, still moving around Celtic Boundary toward Spanish Valencia
Knight in Madville loads onto waiting Caravel
Berserker attacks Elverurn kills def Musket
Berserker attacks Elverurn kills def Musket &

Elverurn set to build Courthouse

IBT: Spanish Galley sighted W of IW

Turn 8/1030AD

Upgrade Archer in Crackies to Berserker

IBT: Genghis comes acallin, He wants to

I accept his deal

Turn 9/1040AD

SIF Fleet now in striking distance of Spanish Valenica, Pamplona and Murcia

IBT: Spanish land Swordsman & Cavalry NW of Elverurn
Gandhi wants to chat, but I give him a cup of tea and send him on his merry way.
AC produced by SoZ in Bedeville
Brennus's captial of Entremont Builds

to be continued in next post.

 

[Bahzell]

Turn Log(cont.)

Turn 10/1050AD I think Isabella has a sour disposition, think I'll see if I can't do something about that.

Upgrade Archer in Madville to Berserker
Berserker NE of Elverurn kills Cavalry
Caravel moves N(Unloads)-S-SE-SE(moving toward Murcia)
Berserker kills def Musket in Valencia
Berserker dies to def Musket in Valencia
Berserker dies to def Musket in Valencia
Caravel moves N(Unloads)-NE-NE-NE
Berserker kills def Musket in Valencia
Berserker kills def Spear in Valencia
Caravel moves N(Unloads Berserker)-NE(Unloads Pikeman/Trebuchet)-SW-W
Berserker kills def Spear &

Set Valencia to build Harbor
VSS Crackie moves N-NE-NE-NE(Unloads)
Berserker kills def Spear in Zaragoza
Berserker kills def Spear in Zaragoza &

move captured slave onto VSS Crackie
Caravel W-NW-NW(Unload)-skip(waiting to reload landed Berserker)
Berserker kills def Spear in Pamplona
Berserker kills def Spear in Pamplona & Captures it(Bah forgot to take a pic)
Set Pamplona to build Harbor
Caravel N-NE(Unloads Musket/Settler/Pikeman)-SW-W
Caravel N-NE(Unloads AC/Musketman)-S-S
AC dies to Spear SE of Valencia
VSS Mark SE-SE-E(Unloads)-W
Berserker dies to def Musket(1 HP left) in Murcia
Berserker dies to def Musket in Murcia
Berserker kills def Musket in Murcia
Caravel SE-SE-E(Unloads)-W
Berserker dies to def Musket in Murcia
Berserker kills def Musket in Murcia
Berserker kills def Musket in Murcia
VSS Bede SE-SE-E(Unloads)-W
Berserker dies to def Musket(1 HP left)
Berserker dies to def MI
Berserker dies to def MI

Notes: The IBT might have Isabella coming to us asking for Peace or she might shrug it off and bring what Cavalry(she has available since she does have the ability to make them) at us. Caravel SSW of Valencia has 3 Muskets in it for def of Valencia. There's a Caravel with 2 Settlers and Zerker on it near Haugesund which can be used to attack the 2 southern Islands of Spain if Isabella doesn't sue for peace. Didn't do any trading for Techs as those that had them I didn't want to give more money to and those that could buy some we had, didn't have any money. There are 2 more fully loaded Caravels coming up around the Celts west border, using safe spots so don't lose any troops for the war effort agains Spain. Valencia has 1 Treb, 1 or 2 Pikes and 2 Musket's for defense. NW of Murcia is a Spanish stack of 3 Musket's and 3 MI's, Isabella might send it against us or fall back into Murcia as I bled off a few defenders before I ran out of moves.

 

[madviking]

Celts are freaking advanced!!!!!!!!!111111oneoneoenone111!!!!


: omg:

 

[Bede]

Like my daddy always told me "No plan survives contact with the enemy."

At any road if there are any 'zerks exposed to cavalry attacks get 'em back on the boats pronto.

So now maybe we change the objective and take new land from Isabella instrad of Brennus?

And no roster survives contact with Bede. Correct roster below

 

[Marc Aurel]

No, imho we should head for the Celts asap and let Spain do what they think cannot forbear/desist.
The Celts will win the Space race!!!!! And that is our problem now. Once they get to Nationalism, it will be very hard for us to prevent them from doing so, since war will become a very huge attempt with many casualties. We need to get the Celtic problem done - asap - speed is crucial. Not a nice job you have now Crakie - but hey keep your pecker up!
I second Bede's hint. Do not make too big landfall in Spain with the Zerks, Terrorist tactics is up against Cavalry! Go there, hit hard and be gone fast!

 

[classical_hero]

Loke my daddy always told me "No plan survives contact with the enemy."

At any road if there are any 'zerks exposed to cavalry attacks get 'em back on the boats pronto.

So now maybe we change the objective and take new land from Isabella instrad of Brennus?

Crakie - up
madviking - on deck
crazybeard - being agreeable
Bede - wrapped up Carthage and hurt the Mongol
Marc Aurel - got us ready to launch for the Celtic island
Bahzel - upped and at Isabella

Aren't I meant to be next?

 

[Marc Aurel]

Aren't I meant to be next?

Yep, you are right! Was just habit of me to think in the order of players of the first turns. Sorry, it's your turns!

 

[classical_hero]

That would make me the last player each time in the order.

 

[Bede]

Have no idea where I got that roster from, sorry ch, did not mean to slight you.

Roster check:

classical_hero - right you are classicalH, you are up!
Crakie - on deck
madviking - made us kings
crazybeard - kept the faith
Bede - made us new friends
Marc Aurel - kept the path
Bahzel - up

 

[classical_hero]

I need some advice as to what to do. I know that we are at war with Spain I do want to know what wee need to research after Navigation. Should I increse the research? I'll be playing tomorrow.

 

[Bede]

The window is rapidly closing when we could take on the Celts with relative impunity. WE ar going to need cannon, so research Metallurgy or extort it from Spain after she has been sufficiently humbled, like reduced to one town.

Aftet that I just don't know. If Gandhi is still stuck in the Ancient Age I see no reason at the moment to feed the research of the other guys either by buying or researching anything.

 

[crazybeard]

I'm all for trimming the herd, but we have leave a herd to trim. We took out Carthage with a minimum of fuss, and life would have been much simpler had the Mongols not attacked. We blunted Genghis' spear and were looking toward the Celts when Isabella got snippy.

We could take out any one, and possibly any two other civs (for different reasons, the easiest to take out, Ottomons and India, aren't potential targets.

IMHO, we have to decide to either spank the Spaniards as we did the Mongols, or take them out. If the first, we can concentrate on the Celts, if the latter, we're going to have to let Celts and Mongols go their merry way until the next military plateau.

A very risky strategy, again, IMHO, would be to take out Spain, Celts, and Mongols, and leave America and the Ottomons to feed India the necessary techs.

Once this current bout of martial fever runs its course, we have to turn our attention to India - getting them off that island and allowing them to expand somewhere. Again, I suspect I'm in the minority, but I want to keep the homeland - give Gandhi either the Carthage/Mongol area, or set them up on Izzy's island.

 

[classical_hero]

Turn Zero.
6/6 AC vs 3/3 Sword, dead sword, 3/6 AC.

IBT, we lost the Berserker that destroyed Zaragoza. Also Spain moved alot of units into territory that is near ours.


Turn one. I forgot to get more research happening Before I pressed enter, d'oh. All the cities that were producing berserks were put on Knight production because we are seriously lacking in that area. We need to have fast units so that we can kill other fast units. I have increased science so that we can have navigation is 5 turns and thus making research much better for us.

Desperate for the Spanish to die, I have decided to ally ourselves the Celts so that they have two fronts to worry about. So here is a picture of their captial. It took close to one hundred Gold. I think the exact figure was 96.


As a result we are now able to make an alliance with the Celts.


I know that I gave alot for this alliance, but hopefully we will get it back in return.

So now this is what we got.


But with this there is a problem because we are basically making a deal with the devil in this game. Compare the purple square with the red square.


Here are the battles that we fought.
Valencia/Keflavik
5/5 Berserk vs 4/4 knight, 1/4 Knight retreats, 2/5 Berserk
5/5 Berserk vs 4/4 Calvary, dead cav, 5/5 Berserk
4/4 Berserk vs 4/4 knight, 1/4 Knight Retreats, 4/4 berserk
4/4 berserk vs 4/4 musket, dead pikeman, 2/4 berserk
4/4 berserk vs 4/4 musket, dead musket, 5/5 berserk
Bombardment did nothing.

I have a questiohn. Who was responsible for our shattered reputation? That person should be shot.

IBT. A bit worried before I press enter considering all the units near Valencia/Keflavik. We lost Pamplona to the spainish as it desposed us but that is no problem. We had a Cav attack us but it retreated.

Turn two. We retake Pamplona. We kill two spearmen and we now have Pamplona back again, but for how long?

Battles this turn.
Pamplona
4/4 Berserk vs 3/3 spear, dead spear, 3/4 berserk
5/5 berserk vs 3/3 spear, dead spear, 4/5 Berserk
Keflavik
2/5 Berserk vs 3/3 MI, dead MI, 2/5 Berserk
bombarded a Musket to 2/3 then 2/4 Berserk vs 2/3 musket, dead musket, 2/5 berserk
5/5 berserk vs 3/3 Musket, dead Musket, 5/5 Berserk
4/5 Berserk vs 3/3 MI, dead MI, 4/5 Berserk

IBT. We lost two Berserks and a pikeman but we killed a MI.

Turn 3. Navigation in three turns.
Battles
Santander
3/3 berserk vs 3/3 spear, dead spear, 2/4 berserk

IBT.
A Cav attack Keflavik and dies.

Turn four.

Battles
Keflavik
5/5 Berserk vs 3/3 musket, dead musket, 3/5 berserk
5/5 berserk vs 3/3 musket, dead musket, 2/5 berserk
4/5 berserk vs 4/4 MI, dead MI, 3/5 Berserk
5/5 AC vs 4/4 MI, dead MI, 3/5 AC,
4/5 Berserk vs 3/3 spear, dead spear, 3/5 Berserk and MGL

I made a berserk Army. Had I had some Knights there I would have made that as the Army.
4/4 berserk vs 3/3 spear, dead spear, 5/5 berserk
4/4 berserk vs 3/3 sword, dead berserk, 2/3 sword
4/4 berserk vs 3/3 sword, dead sword, 5/5 berserk
12/12 Berserk Army vs 2/3 sword, dead sword, 12/12 Army

Santander
2/4 berserk vs 3/3 spear, dea berserk 2/3 spear

IBT. Nothing

Turn 5.
We will have navigation next turn.

IBT. We lost a deal with the Mongols So we need to be wary of them as they are furious with us. Two Conquistadors are near Pamplona

More next post.

 

[classical_hero]

Turn six. I am starting to prepare for secondary attacks on Spain.

Battles
Pamplona
5/5 Berserk vs 4/4 Conq, dead conq, 5/5 Berserk
5/5 Berserk vs 4/4 Conq, dead Conq, 5/5 Berserk

IBT. We lost another deal with the Mongols.

Turn Seven. Not much. We bombarded an attacking MI.

IBT. We lost a Carrack to a Spainish galley.

Turn eight.

Murcia
5/5 Berserk vs 3/3 Musket, dead Musket, 4/5 Berserk
5/5 Berserk vs 3/3 Musket, dead musket and city is razed to the ground, 1/5 Berserk
If I only had a settler to build a new city there.

5/5 AC vs 3/4 MI, dead MI, 3/5 AC

IBT. We lost a Berserk to a warrior and an AC to a Cav. Wee needed to sing a ROP with Celts or we would have been evicted from there lands.


Turn Nine. We now have more deals wih the Mongols. This will hopefully mean they will not attack us.
Battles
Asturia was where Zaragoza once stood.
5/5 Berserk vs 3/3 Musket, dead musket, 1/5 berserk
5/5 Berserk vs 4/4 Cav, dead musket.

IBT. Pamplona desposed us again.

Turn Ten.
We retook Pamplona again.
4/4 knight vs 3/3 spear, dead spear, 4/5 knight.
6/6 AC vs 3/3 spear, 1/6 AC retreats, 2/3 spear
4/4 Knight vs 2/3 spear, dead knight, 1/3 spear
4/4 Musket vs 1/3 spear, dead spear, 4/5 musket

Santiago
4/4 Berserk vs 4/4 musket, dead musket, 1/4 berserk
4/4 berserk vs 4/4 musket, dead Musket, 2/4 berserk
4/4 berserk vs 3/3 musket, dead berserk, 1/3 musket
4/4 Berserk vs 4/4 MI, dead MI, 4/4 berserk

We leave this turn into the next players capable hands. If i had known that Murcia was so porrly defended i would have attacked Santiago at the same time.

This is spain as i have left it.


As you can see that the pain is now in Spain. They are left with only six cities on there mainland.

EDIT. Here is the save. http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm9/Bede_SG009_AD1150_01.SAV

 

[Bede]

Roster check:


Crakie - a few settlers might help, and burn Pampalona to the ground
madviking - made us kings
crazybeard - kept the faith
Bede - made us new friends
Marc Aurel - kept the path
Bahzel
classical_hero - put the pain mainly in Spain

 

[Crakie]

Got it, playing now.

 

[Crakie]

Alrighty, Spain is down to one city (Madrid). Basically, I used the beserkers to take and burn Spain's coastal cities - I couldn't be bothered with the resistance. The small island cities in the southern hemisphere were no problem as well. The last but one city was taken with a stack of knights/ACs on the way to Madrid. A decent number of troops is gathered near Madrid to take Spain out of the game next turn, although I did see a settler running around somewhere.

Research was uneventful, moved along from chemistry to metallurgy (1 turn left). I fueled research a bit by trading luxes with the Ottomans, allowing for 0 lux tax.

The Americans joined the Celts in their war against Spain, but I haven't seen much action from both of them. Surprisingly, the Ottomans declared on the Celts though! Let's pray they won't be taken out of the game. A couple of Celt cavs landed on our shores, but fortunately I gambled right and saw them leave for Ottoman lands.

Still no sign of India producing galleys.

Next turnplayer should make peace with Spain to get some techs (NEXT turn, when metallurgy is in!), then take her out. A couple of settlers are already heading for Spanish lands, more have marching orders to "Carthage meat #3" from where they can be shipped.

I think we should go for arties now and deal with the Celts. I suggest we improve the lands in corrupt areas to get scientists.

 

[madviking]

Yes... the plan is coming together...
ASEMBLE MY MINIONS!!! WE SHALL GO TO CELTICA!!!!!

 

[crazybeard]

I shudder at the prospect that Madviking is going to pass the game on to me in the middle of the Viking-Celt war (and believe me, it should make you guys shudder, too). However, I agree that it is the course to take. Help our good friend Osman to fight off the evil Celts. Perhaps even get Genghis to help.

Meanwhile, once Madrid is taken, I suggest we prepare to cede the Spanish island to the Indians, but ONLY the Indians. How we're gonna get them to the island is another matter, but as I suggested earlier, the moment Gandhi learns how to build Galleys, evacuate Rusicade and give them access to "the outside world" that way.

 

[Bede]

Roster check


madviking - straining at the leash - up
crazybeard - keep the faith, you're next
Bede - made us new friends
Marc Aurel - kept the path
Bahzel
classical_hero - put the pain mainly in Spain
Crakie - burned more than Pampalona