SGOTM 9 - Hagar

[markh]

1295 AD, right? (strange date! )

Please don't download the save, or use any existing copy, until I post an update here.

Khan managed to play just 7 turns in his last set, so we are a little out of sync.

 

[Andronicus]

And I played until we reached modern age ...

Looking at the save I think our main goal now has to be getting cities to Gandhi ASAP. I suggest moving workers to adjacent Gandhi's cities - he might go for them if he doesnt have far to go. Otherwise hopefully he will go for them once he has 2 units in the city. I think I counted only 6 more techs to research - I dont see Gandhi getting to WV within 40 turns, so science is no longer the rate limiting factor.

 

[markh]

In the last IBT Molde grew from 3 to 4, so I hope he has quelled the resistance now and begins to build troops.

Science is well under control. We can concentrate on Gandhi and the Celts now.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

Seeing it... Will try to catch tonight or tomorrow. Being overrun by work and studies right now.

EDIT: Yup, it was I who messed up the turn count.

 

[Andronicus]

The stuff with gifting Otto is risky... I wonder if it won't be better to go in a no WW government, as we count mostly on Science farms for research, then let Ghandi take cities at will...

I dont think there is much risk gifting to Otto. If he is able to draft then we simply dow him - he's no threat, and we are no worse off than if we had not gifted to him. OTOH if Otto is unable to draft before Gandhi captures the city we are able to continue in Rep without WW.
My preference is to hang off on switching to non-WW gov until we absolutely have to.

 

[markh]

I think we will have researched all necessary techs before we will face severe ww. From then on we can switch to an non ww government at our leisure.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

SGOTM 9
(0) 1295 AD
After my last turnset I have no moral to go check the ICS. Just move a transport near India’s Molde without entering their waters. There’s a spear guarding. Upgrade a few infantries.
5 techs left till space. Then we can let G. capture some cities.
(1) 1300 AD
Nothing much.
(2) 1305 AD
We have a small problem. India doesn’t know anyone and PP is unknown. We may have to go for it before WV. BTW, do you know that capturing workers causes quite some WW? We must avoid the excessive capture.
(3) 1310 AD
Bla; Gandhi moves not. I’ll send a berserker to lighten his army a bit. No, better, I’ll send bombers.
(4) 1315 AD
SF-Nuclear. We lack 5 techs now actually. Bombard Delhi, kill 2 spears, the city has at least 7 defenders. Upgrade 13 MA.
(5) 1320 AD
Celts start Magellan. OMG! Had you noticed that Delhi is on Iron? 2 more defenders die, maybe 10 more left. At least I got to the swords, at least 3, and an archer. This moron has spent all he has in army. And doesn’t want to come out to play. Trade ecology for Navigation, Amphibious, 2 lux and 55 gpt to Brennus. Maybe a :weed: but I’m bored. Come on you moronistic G! Get 620 g from Osman for Navigation.
(6) 1325 AD
Celts and Ottomans sign a MPP.
Molde’s borders expand. The moron has went for temple. Bombers and Zerk kill 2 swords; still no wounded defender on top in Delhi. Upgrade 2 cannons, so that they can bomb Delhi.
(7) 1330 AD
Marine, Zerk and bombers kill 3 Delhi defenders, still a sword on top and at least 2 archers. I hate pollution, have automatized a few workers to deal with it. Sorry.
(8) 1335 AD
Nuclear-Laser. 6 more Delhian defenders down. But there are at least 8 left. No movement at Molde. Sell Ecology to Osman for 1128g and 71 gpt.
(9) 1340 AD
Finally manage to Bomb Delhi until a Warrior appears, after killing some 8 units. I think Gandhi is lighter now. I’ll stop attacking amphibiously, it’s risky.
(10) 1345 AD
Built a few Aerodromes to transport MAs in Spain. Do we want the Celts now? Coz Gandhi is boring.
Redlined Archer left in Delhi. Now G can build some army in Molde too. I’m transporting MAs in Spain. Will go for a round date.
(11) 1350 AD
All defenders down in Delhi. That’s all for me too, hope you agree with the “undefending” of Delhi. If you want to build more airfields, don’t forget to remine the square after.
The save.

 

[markh]

We should go for the Celts now. We have 3 or 4 techs left to research, so we can easily crush him, but keep an eye on the dom limit.

If we have not done it, yet we should pull all units out of the cities that Gandhi should get first to encourage him to build some units. Maybe that helps to get this coward out of his hole.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

Now he has some unit support less, he should come out with something. I suspect that he is building a harbour after the temple in molde.
I've started the transfer of MA towards Spain, with a few more airfields and the transport we have there we should be able to land at least 12 at once in Celtic Lands.
I was actually wondering why didn't we attack earlier.
Anyways. Let's go for the celts, I vote for razing of their entire continent, then find a way to introduce Osman and Ghandi and declare on Osman too. We can even wipe him if G. finally takes WV. The bad part is that we may have to research PP, that's 4 more turns before G can take WV.

 

[Andronicus]

Not sure whats happened with Abegweit (other than starring in CIV GOTM1 ), but I can take it in about 12 hours time unless Abegweit can get it sooner.

Roster

Abegweit - waiting on civ3 disk
Khan Aspurah - just played
Andronicus - up in 12 hours unless Abegweit posts a "got it"
juballs 2001 - on deck
markh

 

[Abegweit]

I'm still out. ;(

My disk is supposed to show up tomorrow but please skip me until I actually have the damn thing in my hands. I don't want a repeat of the last time. It wasn't fair to the team.

 

[Andronicus]

Got it ........

 

[Andronicus]

1400AD and no movement from Gandhi

All was not boring however as I dowed Brennus in 1395AD and he has only 6 cities left (3 on his main continent, 3 on islands).
Otto decided to dow on us also (he had MPP with Brennus). We are about to teach him a lesson with troops ready to raze his capital - we must leave him 1 city however for our business with Gandhi.

We have WW - I have weariness and saved the game without attending to happiness - many cities will riot if not adjusted - next player please check happiness (civassist tells which cities are about to riot if you have show alerts on)

Preturn
Move worker closer to Molde to tempt Gandhi
We have lots of money so switch all XSpain towns and a few others to bombers for rush buying soon.
Military currently ave to Celts (9MI, 21MA, 15Bomb)
Short rush a few units - adjust most productive cities to 20, 30, 40 or 60 spt for 120 shield MAs
I feel we need PP as no-one knows Gandhi

1355AD
Laser -> PP (4 turns at 0 science - spend ages turning 130 scientists to taxmen)

1360AD
Build 7 airstrips on northern tundra (XOtto) and 2 northeast tundra XSpain
Renogotiate ongonig lux deal with Brennus to increase his payment from 83 -> 130gpt

1365AD
Celts complete Magellans
Otto requests MPP - tell get nicked (maybe this was a mistake as he then got MPP with Brennus but I was not wanting him to be attacked by Brennus and find myself at war before ready)

1370AD
More short rushing. Still nothing from Gandhi.
Hire heaps more taxmen to reduce science over-run

1375AD
PP -> Miniturisation in 6 without scientists. Switch all 255 tax back to science and now 4 turns at 90% (this took ages ....)
Sell contact with Indians to Otto for 22g (all he had)
PP to Celts for 44gpt + 119g - I figure its not particuarly useful to him

1380AD
Preparing the pieces

1385AD
ROP with Celts preparing for invasion - get 8gpt (for a very short while)
-> transport over units
Spend 11,000 gold rushing 44 bombers

1390AD
Now have 59MA and 66 bombers - all positioned this turn

1395AD
Miniturisation -> Superconductor

dow Brennus - activates MPP with Osman

Pillage all 4 oils

1st attack is eKnight on flak to recaptured flipped New Haried - successfully recapture and get MGL -> MA army
Miami (far south island) captured
Seattle razed
2 MA both fail at Atlanta
lose cav army but capture Ratae
New York razed (with Leo's)
Lapurdum - 1 MA kills all 3 inf -> promotes and then GML - keep city to form army
1 redlined inf short at Eboracum
Verulamin razed (Magellan's)
Richborough - just fall short
Alesia - 1 inf left
Entremont captured - pyramids, Sun Tzu's and Sistine
Washington captured
Burdagen fail
Boston fail
Georgva fail

Note Celts have Rocketry and can now build TOW
Otto has computers (but no oil nor rubber) just this turn

Build airfield next to Camulodin - airlift further units

1400AD
lose cav army and 2MAs on counter attack (one MA was to longbow)

Celtic Scourge settled to allow transport across straits from XSpain

Most cities now have conscripted TOW, fortunately Brennus is broke so cant cash rush

Burdigala captured
Eboracum captured
Augustadorum razed
Alesia captured
Agedicum captured
Boston razed

Welcome party dropped in on Osmans island capital

mopping up -> 3rd GML - save him for rushing palace at Entremont if thats the way we wish to go. (he is 1 tile east of city with a MI protecting him)

We still have 63 bombers and 44MA

Have 66% territory so abandon Eboracum, Ratae, Washington and Burdigan -> 63% - need to watch this if capture more cities

Next player note I have not MM any cities for happiness.

I have put city governors on all captured Celtic cities to prevent rioting.

Flips are a sig risk, suggest putting only a few units in cities keeping armies and healthy units outside to retake.

It is an option simply to abandon all Celtic towns, but they will soon be no more then flip risk is eliminated.

Not sure whether we should rush palace in Entremont yet. Right now it would hurt our science badly and we still have 7 turns (3 for superconductors and 4 for robotics) of reseaching left. I suggest waiting those turns then using the leader to rush the palace.

Commo remains an attractive option if WW is going to be ongoing - suggest waiting until rocketry is researched as science will take a dip - on othewr hand science rate doesnt seem too important now as all is waiting on Gandhi taking a walk through our cities.

Roster
Abegweit - awaiting disk
Khan Asparuh
Andronicus - just played
juballs 2001 up
markh on deck

 

[Abegweit]

I finally got my disk back and would be able to play Sunday morn Eastern or any time thereafter. If Juballs can take it before then, post a got it and go ahead.

 

[Abegweit]

@Juballs and Andronicus.

Thanks for the kind words about my COTM 1. It's strange. I didn't understand the scoring at all. It just turned out that the way I played the game fit it system. Lucky I guess.

Prats and cats and take over the world

 

[Andronicus]

Notes for next player

Happiness - need lux 10, science 90 and hire clowns in Instanbul, Carthage, spSantiago, New Alesund, Farsund, Hagarville & spNew Oslo.

Left over taxmen can go to scientists in Carthage & Rey

Builds can be switched - we have enough army for Celtic campaign. May want to consider wealth to enable max science.

Leader outside Entremont - decision time - do we rush capital in Entremont? Do we switch to Monarchy or Commo? My view is rush palace in Entremont and switch to Commie as soon as complete researching Rocketry (ie wait so current research is not disrupted).

Celts need eliminating to prevent flips if we intend keeping their cities
Otto's capital goes next turn - raze it I suggest. This leaves him 1 town.

Watch dom limit - currently 63% - had hoped Gandhi would have solved this problem for us by now

Move workers out of Gandhi's territory - this has triggerred WW. I wanted to see if being next to his town would tempt him out - it hasnt.

Apologies - I left a unit on go to (worker I think) - I couldnt find him when I looked for him


At this stage what we do against Celts and how we research is not going to make any material difference.
Goal at ths stage is to encourage Gandhi to come out, then give him control of continent ASAP and hope he builds SS.
Thoughts
- once Otto loses his capital (next turn) we should be able to get peace and then use him as intended.
- once research complete there is no need for science farms any more and we can disband many towns leaving only those that will be useful to Gandhi (it will also probably take less time for Gandhi if he doesnt have as many towns to capture). He probably only requires 15 or so cities.

 

[juballs2001]

alright i got it, i will post by sunday as i am unable to get to the computer tommorow

 

[juballs2001]

umm guys if abegweit can take this turn that would be swell, i am very swamped at home right now and would appreciate the 3-4 days...

sorry about the late notcie..

 

[Abegweit]

Ok. Got it. I will play my turns tomorrow morn.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

I vote commie as far as gvt is concerned.
I wonder if some other team faces the same Gandhi behaviour, as I saw someone in the maintenance asking if there will be a team that actually wins this one.