SGOTM 9 - jeffelammar

[Paul#42]

IBT: learn flight
gift Ottomans into modern age, they get fission
Trondheim builds ToE
learn computers and miniturization
switch CC to Internet (which is built)

1300(5): sell computers and communism to Ottomans for fission
Stockholm is at 100spt

Great progress!
Glad to see the plan being carried out that precisely and well timed! This is awarded another dancing banana !
And somehow depressing to see it all evolving to 4 lines of log
Shame on Brennus that he did not contribute a single beaker. What the .... are his scientists doing all day?!?

RL takes it's toll these days. I will check till evening if I can play my turnset or need to be skipped. Would be bad because I'd love to be the one to make peace with India finally

Any strong objections against gifting Arhus immediately? How many beakers does Arhus contribute right now?
I'd love to have a look at Delhi right now. He doesn't host 16 units there, does he? In that case we should use some berserks there...
How do we find out? I could disband all our units till we are "average" to him...

 

[jeffelammar]

IBT: learn flight
gift Ottomans into modern age, they get fission
Trondheim builds ToE
learn computers and miniturization
switch CC to Internet (which is built)

All I have to say to that is

I love it when a plan comes together

Notes: we could get SETI in Channel City in less than 25 turns
what technology do we want next? (ecology, rocketry, and nuclear power (with specialist rearrangement) can be researched in 5 turns)
Here are the beaker prices: ecology-6933, rocketry-6400, nuclear power-7466, synthetic fibers-7466, space flight-8000, superconductor-8000, satellites-6933, laser-7466, robotics-8533

I think I'd go with Rocketry -> Ecology to find Alumnium and then head for Modern Armor.

Any strong objections against gifting Arhus immediately? How many beakers does Arhus contribute right now?

Seems right. Make sure we keep a couple units in the area to keep his units in check.

 

[jeffelammar]

Shame on Brennus that he did not contribute a single beaker. What the .... are his scientists doing all day?!?

I know what they are doing...

 

[denyd]

Very nice work Tim

I'm guessing Brennus is busy with those critical techs like Free Artistry, Sanitation & Fascism

Is there a source of uranium for Gandhi to use on his spaceship?

It probably is time to let Gandhi out, though it's important to keep him from our core until we get all the needed techs. At this point I think Rocketry, Ecology & Synthetic Fibers are probably the best choice (as Jeff suggested).

With the Ottoman & India at peace, we should probably use the Ottoman as our elevator provider, then wipe them out. That's about the same time our Modern Armor should begin assimilating the Celtic lands. We've got one more wonder to build (SETI) and then we can probably concentrate on pumping out Armies & Modern Armor until India starts claiming our core.

I was thinking that maybe we should gift a city further north so that India can have a couple of cities established before reaching our core. With Computers available we should be able to add Mech Inf to all cities we want to keep safe. Be careful not to let a War Elephant win any battles as we would be best served waiting until India has a larger empire before his Golden Age is initiated.

 

[CKS]

Great job.

I'm for letting India have another city now. Remember, though, that we can't gift a city too far away. While denyd's idea of a farther north city is nice, it isn't allowed.

What is our artillery situation? We'll want some to keep Ghandi where we want him.

Rocketry to ecology to synthetic fibers sounds good to me, too.

 

[jeffelammar]

@Beorn: I didn't say "on the lake". I just *knew* someone would demand a specification to three decimal places OK, if you insist then not more than 7.000 from Delhi, as defined for RCP distance measurement purposes by the International Standards Organisation. Now you'll tell me you don't have such a city

So RCP 7 from Delhi is what we can do. (And we can only give them 1 city) Aarhus is exactly at 7.

Good reminder CKS: We want 4-5 artillery to bomb any Indian troops that pop out of Aarhus. When I last had the save, we only had 1 and it was in Spain. (But that was a while ago)

With the Ottoman & India at peace, we should probably use the Ottoman as our elevator provider, then wipe them out. That's about the same time our Modern Armor should begin assimilating the Celtic lands. We've got one more wonder to build (SETI) and then we can probably concentrate on pumping out Armies & Modern Armor until India starts claiming our core.

Actually, given how useless Brennus has been, I'd be tempted to start taking him down before the elevator. (Shortly after we get Synth Fib)

 

[Jove]

Wow, you and Pindicator certainly followed through on our plans excellently!!!

Tech wise, I'm inclined to just go for the cheapest ones first, only because they're easiest to learn. Modern Armor sounds nice, but I'm not really concerned about military problems as we stand now, and wouldn't put any extra energy into gunning for it.

I'm in favor of gifting Aarhaus to Ghandi now. I guess the only thing I'd allow to delay it is if there's a building missing that we'd like him to have.

What about capturing Delhi? It would render Aarhaus the new Indian capitol, which would likely speed everything up. Plus Delhi is such a nice spot, it could make up for the beakers we lose from Aarhaus. AND, maybe our berserks can yield us a leader. But watch the rep... What'dya all think?

 

[denyd]

Just a quick question, with the Internet completed are we in danger of winning via 100K?

I think that we got the two expensive techs (Fission & Computers) for free. The other first level techs are the cheap ones. After those are done I 'd like to get Synthetic Fibers since it's needed for space anyway. After SF, the Space Flight, Superconductor, Satellites, Nuclear Power, The Laser & Robotics. Then we can evacuate the entire home island (except for a couple of Golden Age generating warriors). At that time the Celts should be reduced to a single city somewhere and the Ottoman should be gone. I'd like to research to SDI and then genetics to build those happiness wonders and then turn off research and funnel the cash to India via the Celts.

Taking Delhi would also give us a nice future home for Brennus

 

[pindicator]

Very nice Tim! Sorry I've been out lately, but my IP is certainly making my head go :explode: lately. In any case, what are the thoughts on channeling India away from our core after we gift the initial town? If Aarhus is the only town we can gift via the rules, maybe we could guide him along the southern mountain chain? Just throwing anything out there that might help get him up and running as soon as possible.

 

[TimBentley]

I had forgotten to check: there are two uraniums on the former Spanish island, and three on the Celtic island. Gifting Aarhus (would be 40gpt at 100% science, by the way), capturing Dehli, and rocketry->ecology->synth fibers sound good.

Just a quick question, with the Internet completed are we in danger of winning via 100K?

According to CivAssist, we'd win in 1964.

 

[Paul#42]

In any case, what are the thoughts on channeling India away from our core after we gift the initial town? If Aarhus is the only town we can gift via the rules, maybe we could guide him along the southern mountain chain? Just throwing anything out there that might help get him up and running as soon as possible.

It will take some time for Gandhi (like ~12 turns) to build the third unit for conquest. We might chose some less important towns in the north for him to take then. The cities on the southern chain are too productive imo. We want totally corrupt towns for him first.

Did anyone keep track how research costs did after Spain left the game?

Is there anything we also want to provide Gandhi with? Like some wonders to prevent him from building them? Longevity might be one of those.
Every single wonder we build, he will not build.

Sorry I had no chance to get the game yesterday, I will download this evening and start playing immediately.

 

[Jove]

That's a good suggestion to give Ghandi some MA wonders. I'm concerned that he'll be so unhappy his citizens will starve and they won't go anywhere. Cure for Cancer gives +1 happiness, right? That'd help. And maybe leading him to the dyes could help his program too.

 

[CKS]

Giving Ghandi wonders is a good idea.

If we let Ghandi take some more cities before we are ready for the elevator, I think giving him luxes is a great idea.

I think there are advantages to taking Delhi. I don't think Delhi will build any military units that make it across the lake before we are abandoning our core anyway. It might be hard to lose later, but we could always abandon it.

 

[jeffelammar]

That's a good suggestion to give Ghandi some MA wonders. I'm concerned that he'll be so unhappy his citizens will starve and they won't go anywhere. Cure for Cancer gives +1 happiness, right? That'd help. And maybe leading him to the dyes could help his program too.

Only problem is that we'd have to delay the elevator to do it. Genetics isn't a spaceship tech, so I would not go there until we have done the elevator.

 

[denyd]

I agree with Jeff - SS techs first then Genetics and the techs to get SDI so Gandhi won't build nukes.

If we've got some room below the domination limit, we might want to begin hostilities with the Celts as soon as we can get a significant force over there.

Have we started SETI? If Channel City isn't busy, that would be a good place for it.

 

[Paul#42]

Got it. Will play now.

First check: Arhus is providing 30 beakers, that's not too much. I will let it complete its tank and gift it next turn.
Its improvements lack a stock exchange but I won't wait for that to finish...

I will also draft two units there.

Second check: We own three cannons, two are hidden in slaves' lineup. I will upgrade them and build another 2-3.

[curtain falls]

 

[Jove]

Please don't draft units in Aarhaus. It'll just make the citizens unhappy for when Ghandi takes over.

Jeff- You're right about the non-SS techs. Maybe it'll be possible to build those wonders after the elevator, in the time it takes Ghandi to get around to conquering our continent...?

 

[jeffelammar]

Jeff- You're right about the non-SS techs. Maybe it'll be possible to build those wonders after the elevator, in the time it takes Ghandi to get around to conquering our continent...?

We can do that if it seems apropriate at the time. I want Espionage before we waste beakers on Genetics though.

 

[denyd]

Espionage has to be on Brennus list of things to research, so we should be able at least get that from him.

We will want to build the Intelligence Agency ASAP to get a spy watching Gandhi. I'm unsure of where to build it. If we use the home island we'll be blind when Gandhi takes that city until we can rebuild it in Spain, maybe a palace pre-build somewhere in Spain now can be switched to the IA once we get Espionage.

I agree no drafting in Aarhus. Do we have the cash to hurry a stock exchange if we switch from the tank being built?

 

[Paul#42]

Espionage has to be on Brennus list of things to research, so we should be able at least get that from him.

I don't want to rely on Brennus with research anymore but I agree to postpone Espionage till elavator day.

We will want to build the Intelligence Agency ASAP to get a spy watching Gandhi. I'm unsure of where to build it. If we use the home island we'll be blind when Gandhi takes that city until we can rebuild it in Spain, maybe a palace pre-build somewhere in Spain now can be switched to the IA once we get Espionage.

We can easily decide when we get it - I guess our capital will be in Spain then. In Spain I'd rather build factories, aqueducts and markets first.

I agree no drafting in Aarhus. Do we have the cash to hurry a stock exchange if we switch from the tank being built?

I was interrupted before starting action (sorry for another delay ).

I was about to check whether unhappiness stays with the city when its owner changes. I'd think it would be treated like a unhappy town being razed (and the unhappiness migrating to the next city). But I did not find proof for that so I won't take a risk for 54 shields.
We don't have any cash to rush stock exchange for Gandhi and I don't want to waste any drafted MI for that purpose. We could do like three forestry actions for Arhus but that's not enough. I'll finish that tank.

Brennus is offering MT, 16gpt (or 36?), 34g for Scientific Method, I think I will seal that deal. He has no contact to Osman yet.