TimBentley
Deity
The spoiler looks good. I think you might as well play now.
SGOTM8 - Tim
- Thread starter AlanH
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pindicator
Emperor
Thanks, Tim.
I'll try to get to the game tonight.
I'll try to get to the game tonight.
pindicator
Emperor
Everything looks good, but I change Boston from a Market to an Aqueduct. Rather have the city continue to grow first and then build the marketplace. Change Seattle to an Aqueduct as well.
IBT-
Washington: Longbow -> Worker
1) 360AD
Settler founds St. Louis
Our core cities have very little defense. I'm moving 2 horsemen from the north to DC to cover our core towns. The longbows and other slower units will head north to our eventual war zone.
Greece has wines, which we can get for horses. But they also have iron and I do not want to let them build knights because we will be attacking them eventually.
IBT-
Washington: Worker->Temple
Boston: Aqueduct->Market
Romans build Sun Tzu's in Antium.
2) 370AD
IBT-
Japanese build Knight's Templar in Kyoto.
3) 380AD
Up science to 20%; Printing Press now in 29 (over 46).
5) 400AD
Trade Scandinavia Invention for Monarchy + WM (they were the only one w/o the tech).
Trade England our WM for WM + 1g.
Trade Japan WM for WM.
Trade Rome our WM + 1g for WM.
Trade China our WM for WM + 1g.
Trade Greece our WM for WM + 2g.
IBT-
Washington: Temple->Cathedral
Rome builds Sistine Chapel. They are getting big.
6) 410AD
Education and Gunpowder are now known by 3 other civs.
Washington DC is now at 20 shields per turn.
We can get Gunpowder from Greece for almost everything we have... 210g + 18gpt + horses... not what I want to do.
Disperse a barb camp near Tsingtao.
IBT-
New York: Market->Temple
Shanghai: Trebuchet->Settler
Atlanta: Library->Aqueduct
7) 420AD
IBT-
San Francisco: Harbor->Temple
Houston: Library->Aqueduct
10) 450AD
Trade Scandinavia our WM for WM + 19g
Trade Greece WM for WM
Trade China WM + 9g for WM
Trade Rome WM for WM
Trade Japan WM for WM + 2g
I went for more infrastructure, but I'm regretting that. We need to take over our continent as quickly as possible in order to keep up with the tech pace. Keep researching Printing Press as hard as possible. With luck we'll get a monopoly on it and pick up the other techs we need.
Fighting Greece may be tough, especially if they have Saltpeter. Once DC gets its cathedral finished 2-turn LBs are possible at 20spt. There is a worker mining near DC. When it finishes, we can shuffle some citizens: move the mined BG that DC is working to the newly mined plains so Houston can pick up the BG. This keeps DC at 20spt and allows Houston more room to grow.
We need a lot of things, and I probably should have popped off more workers than I did.
Up north we can fit in a town 3SE of Beijing. Also, I have been converting those towns into research farms, irrigating everything and using excess food to hire scientists. We need all the beakers we can get to keep up with other civs.
The worker mining a mountain in the south feels silly now; it may be better to cancel what he is doing as it won't be of any use until Seattle gets irrigation. Atlanta needs its goats mined now that it has expanded boarders.
Get your American action here!
IBT-
Washington: Longbow -> Worker
1) 360AD
Settler founds St. Louis
Our core cities have very little defense. I'm moving 2 horsemen from the north to DC to cover our core towns. The longbows and other slower units will head north to our eventual war zone.
Greece has wines, which we can get for horses. But they also have iron and I do not want to let them build knights because we will be attacking them eventually.
IBT-
Washington: Worker->Temple
Boston: Aqueduct->Market
Romans build Sun Tzu's in Antium.
2) 370AD
IBT-
Japanese build Knight's Templar in Kyoto.
3) 380AD
Up science to 20%; Printing Press now in 29 (over 46).
5) 400AD
Trade Scandinavia Invention for Monarchy + WM (they were the only one w/o the tech).
Trade England our WM for WM + 1g.
Trade Japan WM for WM.
Trade Rome our WM + 1g for WM.
Trade China our WM for WM + 1g.
Trade Greece our WM for WM + 2g.
IBT-
Washington: Temple->Cathedral
Rome builds Sistine Chapel. They are getting big.
6) 410AD
Education and Gunpowder are now known by 3 other civs.
Washington DC is now at 20 shields per turn.
We can get Gunpowder from Greece for almost everything we have... 210g + 18gpt + horses... not what I want to do.
Disperse a barb camp near Tsingtao.
IBT-
New York: Market->Temple
Shanghai: Trebuchet->Settler
Atlanta: Library->Aqueduct
7) 420AD
IBT-
San Francisco: Harbor->Temple
Houston: Library->Aqueduct
10) 450AD
Trade Scandinavia our WM for WM + 19g
Trade Greece WM for WM
Trade China WM + 9g for WM
Trade Rome WM for WM
Trade Japan WM for WM + 2g
I went for more infrastructure, but I'm regretting that. We need to take over our continent as quickly as possible in order to keep up with the tech pace. Keep researching Printing Press as hard as possible. With luck we'll get a monopoly on it and pick up the other techs we need.
Fighting Greece may be tough, especially if they have Saltpeter. Once DC gets its cathedral finished 2-turn LBs are possible at 20spt. There is a worker mining near DC. When it finishes, we can shuffle some citizens: move the mined BG that DC is working to the newly mined plains so Houston can pick up the BG. This keeps DC at 20spt and allows Houston more room to grow.
We need a lot of things, and I probably should have popped off more workers than I did.
Up north we can fit in a town 3SE of Beijing. Also, I have been converting those towns into research farms, irrigating everything and using excess food to hire scientists. We need all the beakers we can get to keep up with other civs.
The worker mining a mountain in the south feels silly now; it may be better to cancel what he is doing as it won't be of any use until Seattle gets irrigation. Atlanta needs its goats mined now that it has expanded boarders.
Get your American action here!
TimBentley
Deity
Buying wool from Rome would be worthwhile, I think. If we ever get into a war with the Vikings, we will have to make sure to have enough units in our coastal cities.
Either mr. Y or Sesn can take it and go to war. We don't have as many longbowmen as I'd like to take on Greece yet, so a war with China first sounds good.
Either mr. Y or Sesn can take it and go to war. We don't have as many longbowmen as I'd like to take on Greece yet, so a war with China first sounds good.
TimBentley
Deity
I see both of the people mentioned in the previous post have been on since I posted, so someone grab it.pindicator
Emperor
is it just down to you and me, Tim? 
mr. Y
Warlord
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Got it, and will look at it tomorrow.
After reading all the posts, my initial thoughts for the long term are:
0) if applicable, preparation for war
1) start the war, hope to get a leader
2) use the leader for FP
3) figure out the fastest way to a GA
I'll get back to you tomorrow.
After reading all the posts, my initial thoughts for the long term are:
0) if applicable, preparation for war
1) start the war, hope to get a leader
2) use the leader for FP
3) figure out the fastest way to a GA
I'll get back to you tomorrow.
pindicator
Emperor
looks like a good list, mr. Y. Considering that we've yet to get a leader, I would propose that we do indeed use our first leader to rush the FP if it hasn't completed by then -- and I would propose to rush it to the north somewhere around Nanking. After we are done with Greece we will not be able to use armies for much of anything until we get helos.
TimBentley
Deity
Copernicus and Hoover's, unless we get lucky with a wonder capture.mr. Y said:
mr. Y
Warlord
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preturn
change Miami from FP to library. I think we need to build the FP in Nanking. We need to reach a decision about this.
IBT
Rome wants Territory Map + 30 gold. I give in.
460 AD (1)
IBT
Nanking Trebuchet->Worker
470 AD (2)
IBT
NY Temple->Harbor
480 AD (3)
IBT Washington Cathedral->LB
490 AD (4)
IBT
Seattle Aquaduct->Horseman
York completes Leonardo's Workshop
500
Scandinavians offer Education for WM, horses and 1 gold
I think we should consider this. I also want to speed up war preps.
At this point we have:
5 horses (1 finishing next turn, one more being built)
5 archers
1 LB (1 more every 2 turns)
8 pults
2 trebs
and not enough spears... :s
So, I propose the following:
Wait one turn for the horse to finish and start the next. Then trade the horses to the guys with the horned helmets. We're gonna start the war with 6 horses and 2 more on the way. We also are building LB's but they have a long road to travel (7 turns to reach Shanghai).
I think that might be enough, except for the spears. This means we need to expand our military production. I say we change some aquaducts to barracks in the south, and hurry one barracks in the north so we can upgrade the pults and archers over there. I can use the remaining 5-6 turns to move us in the best position I can so the next player can start taking on the Greeks. Horses will become available again in the turnset of the player after that.
I also really want a team decision about the placement of the FP.
I vote Nanking. I think in the long run it will be the best spot.
And we need to decide whether we start building it or wait and gamble for a leader, using shields for the war effort now.
I vote we gamble. We are behind and need to take some risks.
Let me know what you think.
mr. Y
change Miami from FP to library. I think we need to build the FP in Nanking. We need to reach a decision about this.
IBT
Rome wants Territory Map + 30 gold. I give in.
460 AD (1)
IBT
Nanking Trebuchet->Worker
470 AD (2)
IBT
NY Temple->Harbor
480 AD (3)
IBT Washington Cathedral->LB
490 AD (4)
IBT
Seattle Aquaduct->Horseman
York completes Leonardo's Workshop
500
Scandinavians offer Education for WM, horses and 1 gold
I think we should consider this. I also want to speed up war preps.
At this point we have:
5 horses (1 finishing next turn, one more being built)
5 archers
1 LB (1 more every 2 turns)
8 pults
2 trebs
and not enough spears... :s
So, I propose the following:
Wait one turn for the horse to finish and start the next. Then trade the horses to the guys with the horned helmets. We're gonna start the war with 6 horses and 2 more on the way. We also are building LB's but they have a long road to travel (7 turns to reach Shanghai).
I think that might be enough, except for the spears. This means we need to expand our military production. I say we change some aquaducts to barracks in the south, and hurry one barracks in the north so we can upgrade the pults and archers over there. I can use the remaining 5-6 turns to move us in the best position I can so the next player can start taking on the Greeks. Horses will become available again in the turnset of the player after that.
I also really want a team decision about the placement of the FP.
I vote Nanking. I think in the long run it will be the best spot.
And we need to decide whether we start building it or wait and gamble for a leader, using shields for the war effort now.
I vote we gamble. We are behind and need to take some risks.
Let me know what you think.
mr. Y
pindicator
Emperor
I agree with your analysis mr. Y; I hope we're talking about war with China because we cannot hope to win against hoplites with those numbers.
As for spears, don't worry about them against China. We will be on the offensive and if it gets to the point where we need spears than things have already gone bad.
Be sure to keep horses in place so that all cities are defended from AI galleys.
DEFINITELY trade with Scandinavia. The happier we make them the better I feel. The last thing I want is to fight off invasions of 'zerks.
For military, build LBs and the odd spear in the south. In the northern, corrupt cities keep them on trebs, workers, and settlers.
Who's up? I think it's between joethreeblah & Sesn to claim it first. Then it's Tim after that.
As for spears, don't worry about them against China. We will be on the offensive and if it gets to the point where we need spears than things have already gone bad.
Be sure to keep horses in place so that all cities are defended from AI galleys.
DEFINITELY trade with Scandinavia. The happier we make them the better I feel. The last thing I want is to fight off invasions of 'zerks.
For military, build LBs and the odd spear in the south. In the northern, corrupt cities keep them on trebs, workers, and settlers.
Who's up? I think it's between joethreeblah & Sesn to claim it first. Then it's Tim after that.
mr. Y
Warlord
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For the record: I still have some turns to play.
After that I think it's Sesn's turn.
Can I assume you agree with postponing the FP until we get a leader, and then hurrying it in Nanking as opposed to Miami as well, pin?
"Be sure to keep horses in place so that all cities are defended from AI galleys."
I am not at all happy with the lack of defenders in the south. If an AI unloads an archer and a spear we are doomed. Horses are not guaranteed to win against a spearman. But we might have to take the risk...
I'll wait for some more team-input
rock on,
mr. Y
After that I think it's Sesn's turn.
Can I assume you agree with postponing the FP until we get a leader, and then hurrying it in Nanking as opposed to Miami as well, pin?
"Be sure to keep horses in place so that all cities are defended from AI galleys."
I am not at all happy with the lack of defenders in the south. If an AI unloads an archer and a spear we are doomed. Horses are not guaranteed to win against a spearman. But we might have to take the risk...
I'll wait for some more team-input
rock on,
mr. Y
pindicator
Emperor
you aren't done! haha, I see that now.
You are right on my assessment of the FP. As for the military, it would be nice to have a spear in every town. I think 4 or 5 horses that can cover the entire southern core cities would protect us from anything except zerks. 1 on 1 they may not kill a spear, but I would be surprised if 2 horses didn't beat a spear and shocked if 3 lost / retreated.
You are right on my assessment of the FP. As for the military, it would be nice to have a spear in every town. I think 4 or 5 horses that can cover the entire southern core cities would protect us from anything except zerks. 1 on 1 they may not kill a spear, but I would be surprised if 2 horses didn't beat a spear and shocked if 3 lost / retreated.
TimBentley
Deity
Sure, FP in Nanking with a leader is fine. And the rest of your plan is good too.
joethreeblah
King
I was depressed when I missed my turn, and haven't checked here in a bit. I feel kind of detached from what has happened and a bit nervous about getting back in and screwing things up. But I miss you all! Tell me what to do.
pindicator
Emperor
no worries, joe. This may be a competition, but only in the amount of fun each team has 
Believe me, I have screwed up my fair share of SGs and they still let me post, so just have fun, do what you can, and be open to learning new ideas.
Jump on in after Mr. Y finishes up.
Believe me, I have screwed up my fair share of SGs and they still let me post, so just have fun, do what you can, and be open to learning new ideas.Jump on in after Mr. Y finishes up.
joethreeblah
King
Ok!pindicator said:no worries, joe. This may be a competition, but only in the amount of fun each team has
Jump on in after Mr. Y finishes up.
How do I get to the spoiler?
Is this the last SGOTM before Civ IV?
TimBentley
Deity
mr. Y
Warlord
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Well, it will take a few more turns before we can start attacking again, but we have some more material to work with now. The biggest problem is now the stack of catapults that need upgrading. Maybe we need to stop building these things of their successors (trebs).
500 AD
change Atlanta to Temple (was Aquaduct)
IBT
CHina contacts us, wants to exchange WMs
DC LB->LB
NY horse->horse
510 AD
Buying Education from the Vikings for WM, horses + 1 gc. Their status goes from annoyed to polite
IBT
Boston marketplace->horse
upgrade 2 archers to LB's
520 AD
suddely we're making 30 gc each turn :S
war preparation goes too slow. I hurry a barracks in Buffalo to be able to upgrade nearby catapults.
IBT
DC LB->Lb
Buffalo barracks->horse
530
moving north, shifting workers
IBT
NY horse->horse
Atlanta Temple->horse
540
upgrade 1 archer
moving north
IBT Lizzy (England) demands Territory Map + 19 gc. She gets it.
Tsingtao Trebuchet->Trebuchet
Seattle Horse->LB
550 AD
nothing much to report...
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm8/Tim_SG008_AD0550_01.SAV
No further comments at the moment.
greetz,
mr. Y
500 AD
change Atlanta to Temple (was Aquaduct)
IBT
CHina contacts us, wants to exchange WMs
DC LB->LB
NY horse->horse
510 AD
Buying Education from the Vikings for WM, horses + 1 gc. Their status goes from annoyed to polite
IBT
Boston marketplace->horse
upgrade 2 archers to LB's
520 AD
suddely we're making 30 gc each turn :S
war preparation goes too slow. I hurry a barracks in Buffalo to be able to upgrade nearby catapults.
IBT
DC LB->Lb
Buffalo barracks->horse
530
moving north, shifting workers
IBT
NY horse->horse
Atlanta Temple->horse
540
upgrade 1 archer
moving north
IBT Lizzy (England) demands Territory Map + 19 gc. She gets it.
Tsingtao Trebuchet->Trebuchet
Seattle Horse->LB
550 AD
nothing much to report...
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm8/Tim_SG008_AD0550_01.SAV
No further comments at the moment.
greetz,
mr. Y
TimBentley
Deity
Sesn hasn't be online since the 18th, so unless he posts, joe can take it.
Buying wool from Rome and lowering the luxury slider still would be good, although Seattle would need a specialist.
I think we could fight a war with China while getting more units to attack Greece.
We should probably start a university prebuild for Copernicus (unless we'd rather build Magellan's instead
) in Washington after spitting out a few more longbowmen. The AI will most likely research astronomy next.
Buying wool from Rome and lowering the luxury slider still would be good, although Seattle would need a specialist.
I think we could fight a war with China while getting more units to attack Greece.
We should probably start a university prebuild for Copernicus (unless we'd rather build Magellan's instead
) in Washington after spitting out a few more longbowmen. The AI will most likely research astronomy next.Similar threads
