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WhiteEagle22
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Narz
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I could get revenge on him for you. 
Because there is no doubt about the outcome of the game and because I have nothing to do at the moment I will comment on the game even though it is currently in progress.
The first thing you must focus on in the beginning of your chess career is trying really hard not to let your opponent take your pieces without you getting one of equal value from him. Think of it in sports terms, when you are down in number of players (like a player in the penalty box or a red card in soccer) it's really bad for you. Especially if it is for the rest of the game. The same principle applies in chess.
One thing you need to do in chess is to look at your opponents move and decide if it threatens anything. Did he make a threat that I need to adress or can I continue with whatever plan I have?
So let's take a look at your game. 1. e4 e5 this is a good move taking space in the center and opening lines for your bishop and queen. No pieces are under attack yet. 2. Nf3 Nc6 white threatened your pawn on e5 so you need to protect it somehow. Your knight now protects the pawn. All is well. 3. Bb5 b6 After white plays Bb5 you should as usual decide if white has a threat. What does this move do? It threatens your knight on c6, right? So, you need to look and see if he can just take it off. It is protected by two pawns so no immediate danger there. But here's the tricky part - if you remember on move 2 you moved the knight to c6 so it could protect your pawn on e5. If white were to trade his bishop for your knight on c6 you don't lose material on that exchange but the pawn on e5 would now be unprotected! This is a tricky tactic called "removal of the guard". It is difficult to see before you get some experience. (As more experienced players know there is sufficient counterthreats that black does not lose a pawn in this particular position but we are talking basics here.)
Your c6 move is not so good because you lose a pawn after Bxc6 dxc6 and Nxe5. So your game is already much harder with a pawn permanently in the penalty box. 4. Bxc6 dxc6 After white takes your piece you have only one way to recapture it so that's a good move. 5. Nxe5 f6 After white takes the pawn on e5 you had a chance to be tricky yourself with a tactic called a "double threat". Qd4 threatens both his knight and the pawn on e4. He would have to guard his knight somehow and when he moves away you can take his pawn on e4 and you are no longer down in material! (If he plays Nxc6 that's very good for you, can you see why?) Had you seen this move (Qd4) you would have a very good position. f6 is not so good. One reason is that you take the f6 square away from your knight. Knights usually want to go towards the center and now it's best square is occupied by that pawn. Also you move a pawn in front of the king which is usually bad. The pawns there shield your king from your opponents pieces. And most importantly it allows a dangerous threat that is not so easy to see at your level.
6. Qh5+ Ke7 Your move is very bad because you lose the queen to a tactic known as a "fork". If you know about piece values you know your queen is the most valuable piece and must be protected at great cost. Losing the queen is so bad that you must try something else. 6...g6 blocks the check and threatens the queen. Unfortunately white has a good tactic here too to win material but at least it doesn't lose the queen. Don't feel bad, everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) loses their fair share of games when they start playing chess due to threats on the f7 square. Eventually you learn to spot this type of danger and do something about it before it's too late.
After 7. Nxc6+ Kd7 and 8. Nxd8 you are so much behind in material that there is no hope left for this game. What you need to do is practice on not losing material. Don't worry, it does get easier the more you play. An additional tip is to not move so many pawns in the opening. Try to move some pieces out instead. This is one of those general rules that you can just try to follow in the beginning and later learn why it is good. Thanks for sharing the game and don't hesitate to post some more. Since it's considered bad ettiquette to help anyone while the game is in progress (your opponent is playing you after all, not all of us here on the boards), it's good if you wait until the game is over before posting it.
The first thing you must focus on in the beginning of your chess career is trying really hard not to let your opponent take your pieces without you getting one of equal value from him. Think of it in sports terms, when you are down in number of players (like a player in the penalty box or a red card in soccer) it's really bad for you. Especially if it is for the rest of the game. The same principle applies in chess.
One thing you need to do in chess is to look at your opponents move and decide if it threatens anything. Did he make a threat that I need to adress or can I continue with whatever plan I have?
So let's take a look at your game. 1. e4 e5 this is a good move taking space in the center and opening lines for your bishop and queen. No pieces are under attack yet. 2. Nf3 Nc6 white threatened your pawn on e5 so you need to protect it somehow. Your knight now protects the pawn. All is well. 3. Bb5 b6 After white plays Bb5 you should as usual decide if white has a threat. What does this move do? It threatens your knight on c6, right? So, you need to look and see if he can just take it off. It is protected by two pawns so no immediate danger there. But here's the tricky part - if you remember on move 2 you moved the knight to c6 so it could protect your pawn on e5. If white were to trade his bishop for your knight on c6 you don't lose material on that exchange but the pawn on e5 would now be unprotected! This is a tricky tactic called "removal of the guard". It is difficult to see before you get some experience. (As more experienced players know there is sufficient counterthreats that black does not lose a pawn in this particular position but we are talking basics here.)
Your c6 move is not so good because you lose a pawn after Bxc6 dxc6 and Nxe5. So your game is already much harder with a pawn permanently in the penalty box. 4. Bxc6 dxc6 After white takes your piece you have only one way to recapture it so that's a good move. 5. Nxe5 f6 After white takes the pawn on e5 you had a chance to be tricky yourself with a tactic called a "double threat". Qd4 threatens both his knight and the pawn on e4. He would have to guard his knight somehow and when he moves away you can take his pawn on e4 and you are no longer down in material! (If he plays Nxc6 that's very good for you, can you see why?) Had you seen this move (Qd4) you would have a very good position. f6 is not so good. One reason is that you take the f6 square away from your knight. Knights usually want to go towards the center and now it's best square is occupied by that pawn. Also you move a pawn in front of the king which is usually bad. The pawns there shield your king from your opponents pieces. And most importantly it allows a dangerous threat that is not so easy to see at your level.
6. Qh5+ Ke7 Your move is very bad because you lose the queen to a tactic known as a "fork". If you know about piece values you know your queen is the most valuable piece and must be protected at great cost. Losing the queen is so bad that you must try something else. 6...g6 blocks the check and threatens the queen. Unfortunately white has a good tactic here too to win material but at least it doesn't lose the queen. Don't feel bad, everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) loses their fair share of games when they start playing chess due to threats on the f7 square. Eventually you learn to spot this type of danger and do something about it before it's too late.
After 7. Nxc6+ Kd7 and 8. Nxd8 you are so much behind in material that there is no hope left for this game. What you need to do is practice on not losing material. Don't worry, it does get easier the more you play. An additional tip is to not move so many pawns in the opening. Try to move some pieces out instead. This is one of those general rules that you can just try to follow in the beginning and later learn why it is good. Thanks for sharing the game and don't hesitate to post some more. Since it's considered bad ettiquette to help anyone while the game is in progress (your opponent is playing you after all, not all of us here on the boards), it's good if you wait until the game is over before posting it.
Narz
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Panz is the analysis master. 
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WhiteEagle22
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Here's the end result of my game vs. attila22:
I resigned after his last move because I had no moves to get me out of check.
I'm now playing petergrimes (peter grimes here) and drumstick. I opened smart against PG, but opened very stupidly against drumstick. Both should be interesting matches. Anyone care to watch and give commentary?
I resigned after his last move because I had no moves to get me out of check.
I'm now playing petergrimes (peter grimes here) and drumstick. I opened smart against PG, but opened very stupidly against drumstick. Both should be interesting matches. Anyone care to watch and give commentary?
Narz
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Well you could move your king to b7 or bring your bishop up to block but the end seems fairly close one way or the other. Have faith, almost everyone has had games like that in the beginning (I know i have!). 
azzaman333
meh
Narz
keeping it real
Looks like you were slightly worse as you were down two pawns.
Also, you missed the shot 9. Re1 which looks like it would've netted you a free pieces (9. ... f5 not allowed since that pawn is pinned & if 9. ... d5 you can just take the sucka).
Also, you missed the shot 9. Re1 which looks like it would've netted you a free pieces (9. ... f5 not allowed since that pawn is pinned & if 9. ... d5 you can just take the sucka).
azzaman333
meh
Ah, my fatal weakness, planning 2-3 moves ahead...
WhiteEagle22
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Here's the moves of my latest game which was a loss in 25 moves (This time against petergrimes.):
Where did I go wrong here? I would appreciate all input.
Where did I go wrong here? I would appreciate all input.
Sure thing. Here is some input.
1. d4 d5 2. Nc3
You have actually already made a small mistake. When opening with the d-pawn you should never play Nc3 before moving your pawn to c4. One of the main points of opening with d4 is to exchange your c-pawn for your opponents d-pawn. The reason for this is above your level but it is something to keep in mind for later. One of those general rules we keep talking about.
2...e5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3
On every move you should look at all checks captures and forcing moves. Had you done so you might have found an immediate way to win a pawn with 4. dxe5 dxe5 5. Qxd8+ Kxd8 6. Nxe5
4...c6 5. Bd3
This is a little risky. By placing your knight and bishop on d3 and f3 there is a chance that black can at some point play his pawn to e4 and fork those pieces. Right now you are covering that square twice and he only once so he cannot play e4 immediately but sometimes you forget about it and move a piece away that was guarding against that or he moves more pieces to guard that square and you lose a tempo moving one of the pieces away. This is not a mistake by any means but it is a bit risky and you now need to remember to make sure on every move that he cannot play e4 and win a piece. You can still win a pawn with dxe5.
5...Be6 6. 0-0
Castle often and early, another general rule. Your game looks good so far. You still had the option of winning a pawn with dxe5.
6...Be7 7. b3
Moving too many pawns in the opening is not good. Did you really need to play this move, what was the purpose? You still have dxe5, winning a pawn.
7...0-0 8. Ba3 a6 9. Rb1 b5 10. Rb2
This is the first big mistake. Unfortunately it is a really big one. First of all, why on earth did you play this move? What was your plan, in what way did you think this move would help you?
All moves in chess does something good and something bad. Hardly any move is all good or all bad. You are trying to find the moves that does the most good and least bad. In most cases a mistake is a move that seems good at the time but turns out to be more bad than good.
In this particular case I can see no positive thing about this move what-so-ever. In the bad column it moves from the back rank disconnecting the rooks (connected rooks are good), makes it hard to move the rook to a better file, blocks the bishop on a3, puts the rook on a potentially dangerous diagonal, and most importantly allows a tactic to win a piece.
10...Qa5 threatning the bishop and knight winning one of them. This is a good time to introduce another general principle: Loose pieces drop off! That is, pieces that are not guarded by your pieces or pawns are vulnerable to tactics such as this one. Here both your bishop and knight were unguarded and this should have cost you a piece and the game. Fortunately your opponent missed that.
10...c5 11. Qa1
Again, what was the purpose of this move? Did you have a plan or didn't you know what to do? Not that you could prevent it but black can now win a piece with b4 forking your bishop and knight.
11...Nc6 12. Rbb1
You have now moved the rook three times to get it one square to the right. I think you can appreciate that this is not ideal. Time is very important in chess. Time is spent developing your pieces. Development of your pieces is used to gain the initiative. The initiative is used to win the game. Failure to do so usually result in losses and grinding of teeth. To boot you have managed to displace your queen to a1 where it does very little good.
12...d5
Fortunately your opponent gives you every chance to get back into the game, somehow missing b4.
13. Rbc1
Seriously, you have other pieces also. You don't need to spend the entire game moving your rook a square at the time. The immediate concern is the fork on b4.
13...cxd4 14. exd4 b4
Much better is just taking the bishop with Bxa3.
15. Qb1
Your position is critical. Your opponent is threatning to just win a piece. This is a good time to consider some complications rather than the quiet move that does absolutely nothing. 15. dxe5 at least wins back a pawn and threatens his knight. Your move does nothing allowing your opponent to grab material in piece and quiet. Pun intended. In addition, it allows a second fork with 15...e4.
15...bxc3 16. Bxa6
Do you know about piece values? In order to know what trades are good and bad we usually use a point system where pawn=1, knight=3, bishop=3, rook=5 and queen=9. If you are aware of this you should be able to tell why Bxa6 is bad. You gain a pawn=1 and he gains a bishop=3 with Rxa6. Or did you just miss that the rook was guarding the pawn? Besides, your bishop on a3 is unguarded and under threat.
16...Bxa3 17. Rce1 Ne4 18. Bb7 Bg4 19. h3
You should take his knight with Bxc6. It is unguarded, you can just take it for free. Why would you not take his piece for free?
19...Nd2 20. Nxd2 cxd2 21. Rd1 Be2 22. Rxd2 Nxd4 23. Qa1 Qg5 24. c3 Bf3 25. cxd4 Qxd2#
I would say that simple tactics is the problem. Most importantly you need to recognize when a piece (yours or your opponent's) is unguarded and can just be taken. Also, you spent valuable time moving your rook and queen lots of times even though those moves did little for your position. It is important to get all your pieces out. If one guy moves all his pieces out to fight and one moves half of his pieces out to fight who do you think will win?
My suggestion, if you are serious about improving, is to do lots of simple tactics. I would recommend using a commercial software such as Chessamaster or Fritz where you can get lots of help for your level.
bathsheba666
Fast 'n Bulbous
Apart from a late night loss of concentration that unfortunately put things in context, I enjoyed this one
It has the computer analysis with it, in the spoiler
Lots of inaccuracies on my part, but no blunders, according to Big Chess.
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6?! 5. c4 g6 6. Nc3 Bg7 7. Be3 Nf6 8. f3 Nc6?! 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Bd7 11. Qd2 Rc8 12. Rac1 Nxd4 13. Bxd4 Bc6 14. Rfd1 Nd7 15. Bxg7 Kxg7 16. Qd4+ Kg8 17. Nd5 f5?! 18. Bd3 Nc5?! 19. Bb1 e5 20. Qd2 fxe4 21. Bxe4 Nxe4 22. fxe4 Qh4?! 23. Qd3 Rf2 24. Ne7+ Kg7 25. Nxc6 Rxb2 26. Rf1 Qg4 27. Rc2 Rxc2 28. Qxc2 Rxc6 29. Qf2 Qf4 30. Qe2 Qg5 31. Qd3 Qe7 32. Rb1 Qc7 33. Kf2 b5 34. cxb5 Rc2+ 35. Kf1 Qf7+ 36. Qf3 Qxa2
It has the computer analysis with it, in the spoiler
Lots of inaccuracies on my part, but no blunders, according to Big Chess.
Spoiler :
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6?! 5. c4 g6 6. Nc3 Bg7 7. Be3 Nf6 8. f3 Nc6?! 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Bd7 11. Qd2 Rc8 12. Rac1 Nxd4 13. Bxd4 Bc6 14. Rfd1 Nd7 15. Bxg7 Kxg7 16. Qd4+ Kg8 17. Nd5 f5?! 18. Bd3 Nc5?! 19. Bb1 e5 20. Qd2 fxe4 21. Bxe4 Nxe4 22. fxe4 Qh4?! 23. Qd3 Rf2 24. Ne7+ Kg7 25. Nxc6 Rxb2 26. Rf1 Qg4 27. Rc2 Rxc2 28. Qxc2 Rxc6 29. Qf2 Qf4 30. Qe2 Qg5 31. Qd3 Qe7 32. Rb1 Qc7 33. Kf2 b5 34. cxb5 Rc2+ 35. Kf1 Qf7+ 36. Qf3 Qxa2
WhiteEagle22
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Please analyze this game against LoneWolfEburg (1642):
I think my worst move was: 31. Kb1 (I could have moved the King up and right instead of left and avoided the checkmate by the Rook.)
I think my worst move was: 31. Kb1 (I could have moved the King up and right instead of left and avoided the checkmate by the Rook.)
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Not really. That would only prolong your suffering. The outcome was decided at that point.
Your first move which undeniably qualifies as "bad" was 8.Be3 instead of retreating your Knight at d4, which was treatened by my pawn at e5. Thus, I won a Knight for a pawn.
The second one was 12.0-0-0, which allowed me to win a Rook for a Bishop and a pawn by 12 ... d4.
Another one is 18. b3. Your pawn at e2 is attacked by a Rook at e8 and a Queen at e7. It's defended only by a Queen at d2. Thus, I could caoture the pawn without any danger, which I did.
The move 19. Qb4 allows a tactic known as a double attack. After my move 19... Qf3 my Queen attacks both your Bishop at f5 and your Rook at h1. One of them must die.
To aviod it, you should have played, say, Qf4, defending f3. Or you could have exchanged Queens, even through it's not the best thinh to do when you are already down material. The way to prevent all that mess was just to protect the pawn at e2 by 18. e3.
You'd also be slightly better off saving your Rook instead of Bishop.
I was unexpectedly drafted to our first team this round of division play. Our second team has no game this round so I wasn't expecting to play. I'll probably get someone around 2000 on the last board so it will be a challenge. I'll update this post later today with the game.
UPDATE:
Just got home (although writing this took a few hours). Haven't checked it with a software yet but it is likely I missed a whole lot. First off I have played white for the last three years or so (perogative of being team captain) and thought I would be white on board 8. Turned out I was put on board 7 with black. Would have been nice to know more than 30 minutes before the game. The good news was their team was really weak so I ended up facing a mere 1600-player.
I decided to try and post what I thought during the game rather than any objective comments. I did check briefly with the computer just before posting but didn't change anything. Turns out I was rather wrong about several things. And I played worse than I thought.
UPDATE:
Just got home (although writing this took a few hours). Haven't checked it with a software yet but it is likely I missed a whole lot. First off I have played white for the last three years or so (perogative of being team captain) and thought I would be white on board 8. Turned out I was put on board 7 with black. Would have been nice to know more than 30 minutes before the game. The good news was their team was really weak so I ended up facing a mere 1600-player.
I decided to try and post what I thought during the game rather than any objective comments. I did check briefly with the computer just before posting but didn't change anything. Turns out I was rather wrong about several things. And I played worse than I thought.
Spoiler :
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Narz
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Good luck Panz! Kick some high-rated ass!
WhiteEagle22
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Lone Wolf, you really got me with that comment in our second match. I was like "Huh?" for a few seconds, til I decided to just go and concentrate on my game.
azzaman333
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So, how many things did I do wrong here? (I was black)
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