MarigoldRan
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Oh, for goodness sakes. Continue the game and let's see who's right.
I don't have BULL so I'm curious what happens next.
I don't have BULL so I'm curious what happens next.
What do you normally use to choose between AH vs. BW when you don't have meat in your BFC?
My untrained eye thinks that settling your 2nd city on the plains hill between the rice and cows would've been better than where you did, since you do have AH and Agri, and with Archery a hill city to defend against barbs strikes me as being desirable. I think it'd give the same number of hammers pre-monument, so the only downside I can see is that your empire would be slightly further spread.
That forfeits the oasis, makes tile-sharing impossible.
And one would also have to make two more roads.
I think the location of STP is fine.
Cross your fingers for some iron/copper on the desert hills, and that will be a very nice production city.
This. Also, I'd heard that Deity maintenance costs were unbelievable. Since we're talking diagonals from the capital, we're talking about a distance of 7.5 tiles vs. 4.5. Without a traderoute, that's a killer distance.
Lastly, I'm hoping that there's more land that I can settle just beyond.
EDIT- ...I'm disappointed in the lack of depth to these discussions. I hate to point out azzaman's reputation to help drive his suggestion but there it is. Don't look for a set of rules to approach different situations in identical ways, the right move may lie outside of that box.
For all I knew, he was somebody who just really liked cows for some reason.
Oh. Going for BW as my second tech would've been much stronger than what I did. What do you normally use to choose between AH vs. BW when you don't have meat in your BFC?
I admit that I should've realized that I wouldn't need AH for the cows until significantly later.
Ok, thanks, TheWilltoAct. I'm going to count that as one vote for starting over and seeing what happens.
Should I play the same map or start over? I'll be honest and admit I'm not used to a gems start, much less double gems. So, this should stretch my comfort zone even further
Now I can't stop thinking about the "settle on rice" idea anyway. Settling the rice might be a mistake (given that I don't know about the cows or fish), but maybe I should stop working the rice at size 2?
About the rice debate.
Since it is flatland gems, and almost all of the surroundings are green, the city doesn't need that much food.
One can farm some riverside later to grow it.
Settling on the rice is a option imo.
I still consider it a very bad option though...
There is really no reason to skip Agri.
We need agri for AH and eventually for pottery.
We have two gems, which make it possible to research alot anyway.
Settling on the rice is a typical case of trying to be smart, when it isn't necessery.
That forfeits the oasis, makes tile-sharing impossible.
And one would also have to make two more roads.
I think the location of STP is fine.
Cross your fingers for some iron/copper on the desert hills, and that will be a very nice production city.
This. Also, I'd heard that Deity maintenance costs were unbelievable. Since we're talking diagonals from the capital, we're talking about a distance of 7.5 tiles vs. 4.5. Without a traderoute, that's a killer distance.
Lastly, I'm hoping that there's more land that I can settle just beyond.
You have double gems, don't sweat the maintenance. The only tiles you are looking to share are a couple of flood plains and your capital has wet rice and food neutral gems.
EDIT- ...I'm disappointed in the lack of depth to these discussions. I hate to point out azzaman's reputation to help drive his suggestion but there it is. Don't look for a set of rules to approach different situations in identical ways, the right move may lie outside of that box.
So, here we are. I apologize for giving you all a fait accompli. Unless people speak up, I'm going to start over and we can go through everything together. How does that sound? In return, I hope that you can offer advice before I make the decision.
Settle on the rice. Go BW first. Test it out.
Don't just do things because more people say you should do it. Test it out yourself. That way even if it's a mistake you can EXPLAIN to yourself why it's a mistake. And if it's not, you would have learned something useful.
My argument for settling on the rice is that:
1. You can skip Agri until you have BW. Which you need.
2. It helps grow your city faster to work the gems.
3. You get a MUCH earlier settlers and worker.
Your city placement will then concentrate on getting the gold mines and the bronze, for a production-and commerce-heavy set-up. As IMP and EXP, this will not slow down your expansion. You'll also have more deal with barbs and unpleasant neighbors.
No offense to him, but he did not do a logical assessment. He did some combination of heuristic reasoning and rationalizing.krikav did a logical assessment
That's not the gain. The gain is:To sacrifice such a long term benefit for a negligible gain (an immediate +1 ) is the definition of a gambit.