Sid Sells Out? Sells out what?????

[Grashnak]

Somewhere on the forum there is a poll about whether or not Sid has "sold out" with Civ 3.

What the hell are you talking about? Sold out what?

Sid makes computer games. He makes computers games and sells them. Sid does this, presumably, cause he prefers it to making a living emptying garbage cans, milking cows, or crashing planes into skyscrapers. He doesn't do it because he wants to make your life beautiful and happy.

Don't like one or all of his computer games? Don't buy it.

Sid doesn't "owe" anyone anything. He has nothing to "sell out".

The person who posted the poll was saying that he didn't like the new combat system and the lack of terra forming. This is a perfectly good opinion and some people agree. But what on earth does this have to do with Sid "selling out"?

If Civ III was sponsored by Pepsi, and half the wonders were called things like "The Pepsi Pyramids" or "The Pepsi Iron Works" then that would be a sell out.

Changing some aspect of game play in a way that some people don't like is not a sell out. If you like Civ II better, then go play Civ II.

:ripper:

 

[Dillo]

The question od Sid selling out is this. The Civ series is his brainchild. Its his baby. He has always tried to Give us the best possible game, and the best possible support. hen comes Civ 3. While makeing games is only to make money, I have no problem with this.In essence though, he,Being the creator,Has basically sold his Child.This Game was relesed super buggy, wich Sid would never before allowed,The patches are buggy, Wich is also something Sid would have not allowed in the past. SO yes in Essence He has sold out.... But not in literal terms the way you list them. More of a philosopy.

 

[VoodooAce]

Lol.

This cracks me up. All of you that ***** about the *****ers are worse by far than the *****ers themselves.

At least those that are *****ing about the game are doing something constructive, like getting their gripes out there so that maybe they'll be fixed.

All you people are accomplishing is making me laugh.

What do you guys do? Troll and find someone that has a problem, and then blast them for it?

Give it a rest and go play the game or something.

Which is what I'm going to do. No more *****ing for me.

 

[Dillo]

Wow... I wish I could understand what you posted......But I get the point. I was Just clearifing the issue he seemed to not understand what some were saying about they felt they were sold out by Sid.

 

[Ihatework]

Originally posted by Dillo
The question od Sid selling out is this. The Civ series is his brainchild. Its his baby. He has always tried to Give us the best possible game, and the best possible support. hen comes Civ 3. While makeing games is only to make money, I have no problem with this.In essence though, he,Being the creator,Has basically sold his Child.This Game was relesed super buggy, wich Sid would never before allowed,The patches are buggy, Wich is also something Sid would have not allowed in the past. SO yes in Essence He has sold out.... But not in literal terms the way you list them. More of a philosopy.

So in other words......Sid didnt really sell out but its cool to blab about it even though your point is not exactly right? Wait I forgot Sid didnt sell out but he "did in essance" or wait this is better....."philosophically" speaking sid sold out but other wise its just bull**** sorry if I sound a little enraged im realy not, just pointing out that that it is sid's job to sell out, if he didnt "Sell out" he wouldnt make money and if he didnt make money there would be no Civ at all and that would suck....

 

[Jezner]

Peope getting miffed about Sid being a sell out are just so absurd. I mean come on. We live in a capitalistic system which depends on buying and selling. Sid didn't make Civ to make a statement, he made Civ cause he knew he'd make a crapload off it. Sure, he enjoyed the process, but I'm sure he's enjoying the moula paycheck even more.

If you don't like Civ, then return it. Jeez, that's your right as a consumer.

 

[VoodooAce]

That's basically my point.

Some people seem to be afraid that Sid won't do us the favor of making a new Civ game, or something.

They didn't make the game as a favor to us. They made the game to take your money.

And if they want to keep getting my $$, then they'd better be a little more attentive to what I want.

Until now, Civ had always provided what I wanted. That's why I went out and bought Civ3. While I would still, somewhat confidently, purchase a Firaxis game....or Civ4....I don't blame others for a second for not feeling that way.

It's not like their some ugly Floridian mob, rushing the game makers and threatening bodily harm.

They're the customer. The customer is boss. And I think the franchise lost (a lot?) of loyal customers and fans of the series with some questionable support. That's all.

I just don't see why so many people have an issue with it. .

 

[Dwarven_Megalomaniac]

It always cracks me up when people say "if you don't like the game... return it. Its your right as a consumer"

It is? Since when? I garauntee you if you walked into any computer store with your copy of Civ3 neatly tucked back into its box and said "can I have my money back? this game really sucks ass" (not my opinion... just making an example).... I garauntee you the most you'll get is laughed at.

The people who sell you the computer game really don't care if you end up liking it or not. You pay them for a product, they give it to you. If the product is broken (ie... the cd is melted or cracked or broken) then you can get your money back.

So cut people a little slack when they have legitimate concerns about game play. They paid X dollars for it, someone should listen to those concerns (provided they are presented in an intelligent and productive way). It is not their right to return it. They paid for something that may well have been poorly developed or quality controlled.

 

[Jezner]

Originally posted by Dwarven_Megalomaniac
It always cracks me up when people say "if you don't like the game... return it. Its your right as a consumer"

It is? Since when? I garauntee you if you walked into any computer store with your copy of Civ3 neatly tucked back into its box and said "can I have my money back? this game really sucks ass" (not my opinion... just making an example).... I garauntee you the most you'll get is laughed at.

The people who sell you the computer game really don't care if you end up liking it or not. You pay them for a product, they give it to you. If the product is broken (ie... the cd is melted or cracked or broken) then you can get your money back.

So cut people a little slack when they have legitimate concerns about game play. They paid X dollars for it, someone should listen to those concerns (provided they are presented in an intelligent and productive way). It is not their right to return it. They paid for something that may well have been poorly developed or quality controlled.

I'm proud to say you are 100% wrong. And if any store refuses to return your money, then you are shopping at the wrong place.

I have returned probably over twenty titles in the past five years for the EXACT reason that I didn't like it. What they do is hand you a book. You fill out your personal information, and then there is a little space called reason for return. I write, "didn't like it". They say thank you. I get my money. I leave.

Last time I went EB (like three years ago) they had this policy, and now I go to Planet X (owned by Babbages) and they have same. Of course, they won't tell you their policy unless you ask. And of course, you wont ask for precisely the reasons you stated - because you think they'll laugh at you.

Do your research.

And if you don't like Civ 3 - return it.

 

[scavenger]

wow, I wish I lived where you did.

Here on Earth, at least where I live, there are 3 local computer stores.

1.Fries electronics-Can't return opened software, only exchange for the same title

2.Best Buy-same policy as fries

3.Office Depot-Same policy as the other two

And online:

Outpost.com, same policy

so I dunno where you're shopping that they let you return open software...

 

[Jezner]

I've gone to EB back in Boston, and yes - on Earth and in the Glendale Galleria - a hop skip and jump away from Los Angeles - I use Planet X which has a complete return policy for open / unopened software from seven - ten days. Call around and you'll be surprised.

 

[scavenger]

I'll hop over to the Galleria this weekend....


IF you're right, then my apologies in advance, but this is somthing I ain't gunna believe till I see it.

 

[dannyevilcat]

What do you guys do? Troll and find someone that has a problem, and then blast them for it?

Maybe I'm way off here, but how is somebody who opens a thread re: actually liking the game "trolling", when posters like you, VoodooAce, come on in and accuse us, the people who genuinely like the game, of tearing you apart for criticizing it?

I for one DO like this game. I like it not because I'm kissing Sid's @ss, or to encourage him or Firaxis to hurry and make a Civ4.

I like it because it has features which I find very cool, such as mobilization and the draft, and units require resources to build. And because units are no longer supported by cities, and YOU can declare war on THEM! I actually much prefer the new trading system. And yet Civ3 is still essentially Civ2, one of my all time favorites. I have complaints too, but they are about the editor and lack of scenarios. For me, scenarios are the lifeblood of Civ. However, these things are coming, or so they say, so why would I complain? Will I be angry when I have to fork over more money when these options come out as an expasion pack? No.

Personally, I wish they'd kept the old combat system too. But they didn't. Oh well.

If after getting the patch you still don't enjoy the game then you may have to face the fact that you likely never will. How poor are you people that $60 is such a budget-breaker? Principles, shminciples, Firaxis came out with a game it turned out you don't like. That's it.


But Sid successfully pleased my expectations of my favorite game. If being happy to play it, and posting possitive comments contrary to endless criticism makes me an @ass-kisser, then wow, I sure am.

And so that this reply isn't COMPLETELY off-topic, no Sid didn't sell out.

 

[damunzy]

Originally posted by dannyevilcat
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And so that this reply isn't COMPLETELY off-topic, no Sid didn't sell out.

[Modespeak]Thank you for getting this thread back on topic. If you have something constructive to say, then say it. If all you have to say is how much you dislike the thread starter or people like him, then take your anger elsewhere.[/Modspeak]
Personally: I don't think that Sid sold out....but I do wish the game had better quality control. The Civ3 team is good at putting out quick fixes (the whole 1.16f patch problem) but why not do it correctly and not have to jump thru hoops? I love the game but _hate_ certain aspects of it because they are obvious flaws. I am glad, however, that they are fixing the game and not shafting up by leaving the game broke. I expect this to happen with games that come out right before christmas.

 

[J Fred Muggs]

Originally posted by Grashnak
If Civ III was sponsored by Pepsi, and half the wonders were called things like "The Pepsi Pyramids" or "The Pepsi Iron Works" then that would be a sell out.

:ripper:

Man!!! Don't give them anymore lame ideas Now wait maybe you're on to something. If they were "sponsered" maybe they wouldn't be do under the gun to turn out buggy stuff and would have longer to turn out the true works of art. Firaxis and AT&T are proud to present (drum role) "Telephone Operator Tycoon". I think I like it

 

[Binomag]

Well, couldn't be that the ppl that says sid had sold out simply find the civ game type boring? kind of deja vu?

Why bother posting about a thing i don't like is mistery to me...i couldn't think of myself posting on www.britneyspears.com saying she's pathetic (is an example don't flame me).

 

[CurtSibling]

Sid is a business man and designer, not a punk musician!

How can the man sell out?

Pop/rock outfit Metallica's money grabbing antics is a good example of "selling out..."

The same does not apply to Sid.
He doen't make games to be a hero...he does it for cold, hard cash!

Get used to it.

 

[Binomag]

IMHO Metallica still produce good music, different from "kill em all" of course but i still like it.
This thing i've heard too many times: Oh my god, this ***** that i loved before now makes a game\album\film i don't like, so he\she sell out etc etc ad libitum.

Simple: Sid has produced something we can like or not, if we don't like it, perhaps is a matter of personal taste, not necessarily of Sid trying to get all he can from it's best design.

Pardon me for my english, hope my idea is clear.

 

[Witchfinder]

Originally posted by scavenger
Here on Earth, at least where I live, there are 3 local computer stores.
1.Fries electronics-Can't return opened software, only exchange for the same title
2.Best Buy-same policy as fries
3.Office Depot-Same policy as the other two
And online:
Outpost.com, same policy
so I dunno where you're shopping that they let you return open software...

It's called "Electronics Boutique". They have this thing called "10 day money back guarantee". That means if you want to return the software, you may do so for any reason within 10 days of purchase, for a full refund or an exchange if you'd prefer.

I can walk into EB and say "This game is a load of bollox" and they'll smile and offer me a refund. And *that* is why I always buy my games at EB. Good solid customer service.

 

[Ihatework]

You know, its kinda anoyingt that when I come to a web sight to read about a game that I enjoy that I have to read people complain about it. Isnt it getting a little old? If you people dont enjoy this game Why are you wasting my time by making me read through your posts. Dont you relize that the only person who like to read you whining is you. There are a thousand other games out there so if you dont like Civ3 play somthing else and stop ruining my good time. Sid sold out is just a foolish statment. YOu guys act like Sid is your best friend or somthing, like he was personally taking YOUR ideas and implementing them in the game because you had some kind of SAY in the games design. HAHA. "Im a consumer, I can not like a game and its ok, because the customer is always right" NO THE CUSTOMER ISNT!! If you bought a game you dont like to bad so sad, get over it.