DJ Bonebraker
a.k.a Laura
Yeah, I think the lighter version looks better, too.
Skaven development thread
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I like the darker one a little better, but if you can just make it dark enough that it stands out a little from the other Skaven I think it'd be fine!
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I think that's the best so far - it's dark enough but seems to show the detail better.
LMR
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that's because it is halfway between the other two 
glad you like it. it'll be ready soon - i've already done the attack, default, fortify and almost completed the run animation. so i'll be able to post it either tonight or tomorrow, unless i get hit with another computer problem
glad you like it. it'll be ready soon - i've already done the attack, default, fortify and almost completed the run animation. so i'll be able to post it either tonight or tomorrow, unless i get hit with another computer problem
LMR
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and stormvermin are blackish, not brownish...
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It is much, much easier to make them grey or black than it is to make 'em brown. i'll try, but i'm not making any promises 
i've just tested it in game, and the pallette is @#$%ed up, so i'll have to fix that first. i think i know what the problem is though...
i've just tested it in game, and the pallette is @#$%ed up, so i'll have to fix that first. i think i know what the problem is though...
LMR
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@ aaglo: have you had a chance to start the rat tank? 
@ hikaro: have you had a chance to see whether it is possible to make LHs with those poser models?
thanks
in response to aaglo's analysis of my stats:
I agree about the smithing unit (4/3/2, 30 shields) but i still think it should have -1 HP. read this from GW:
Clan Eshin Night Runners are fast skirmishers who are notorious for the low survivability of their troops. This method is the Eshin way to ensure that only the worthy make it to the ranks of the Gutter Runners.
taking this into account, i think that the nightrunners should have -1 HP
skaven are weak
this was a mistake. i forgot to change it. i agree with 35 to 40 shields.
i had it as 5/3/2 because the assassin is 6/2/3, and the upgrade should be better than the predecessor. but i suppose the additional bonuses an assassin-type unit brings are a strong positive, right? the stealth attacks and so on.
cost was 40 to compensate for the -1 HP, which i forgot to change when i moved the PWG to invention instead of ballistics. i agree with 50
agree with the giant rat, don't agree with the rat swarm
the only problem i see with this is that the skaven will need a source of warpstone to build any artillery, since the warplightning cannon requires it too. i was going for gameplay rather than realism
but i did want to and it probably should require it. in that case, should the PWG require warpstone too? i have no problems with the doomwheel requiring warpstone.
"either you except this trade, or my crazy rat-men will break your head open with their disease-covered censers!"
why not? i can't think of anywhere else it would be suitable
I really think the nightrunner and rat swarm should both have -1 HP, and would like to see the clanrat have -1 HP too.
think of it as a way to add flavour and an interesting twist to the game when playing as the skaven
@ hikaro: have you had a chance to see whether it is possible to make LHs with those poser models?
thanks
in response to aaglo's analysis of my stats:
I agree about the smithing unit (4/3/2, 30 shields) but i still think it should have -1 HP. read this from GW:
Clan Eshin Night Runners are fast skirmishers who are notorious for the low survivability of their troops. This method is the Eshin way to ensure that only the worthy make it to the ranks of the Gutter Runners.
taking this into account, i think that the nightrunners should have -1 HP
skaven are weak
this was a mistake. i forgot to change it. i agree with 35 to 40 shields.
i had it as 5/3/2 because the assassin is 6/2/3, and the upgrade should be better than the predecessor. but i suppose the additional bonuses an assassin-type unit brings are a strong positive, right? the stealth attacks and so on.
cost was 40 to compensate for the -1 HP, which i forgot to change when i moved the PWG to invention instead of ballistics. i agree with 50
agree with the giant rat, don't agree with the rat swarm
the only problem i see with this is that the skaven will need a source of warpstone to build any artillery, since the warplightning cannon requires it too. i was going for gameplay rather than realism
but i did want to and it probably should require it. in that case, should the PWG require warpstone too? i have no problems with the doomwheel requiring warpstone.
Plague censer bearer - how about diplomacy
"either you except this trade, or my crazy rat-men will break your head open with their disease-covered censers!"why not? i can't think of anywhere else it would be suitable
I really think the nightrunner and rat swarm should both have -1 HP, and would like to see the clanrat have -1 HP too.
think of it as a way to add flavour and an interesting twist to the game when playing as the skaven
Do you realise what you're asking for? All those -1 HPs would have a massive impact on the skaven. A 6 attack, 3 HP swordsman attacking a 4 defense 3 HP spearman fortified in a town has a 55% chance of winning. If you give the defender 2 HPs the chance jumps up to 73%. If you instead give the attacker 2 HPs the chance plummets to 35%. Why add a civ that won't even survive the first era for most games?
I would much rather give some units -1 in defense, to give that skaven flavour.
BTW, I don't see how the Clanrat can work in the game (as it do), the palette seems garbled...
I'm trying to see if I can make it brown...EDIT: Is that a grey shadow I see? Units added to the WH mod should have transparent shadows, not coloured ones.
LMR
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yeah, the clanrat was the first skaven unit i did, and i just made everything greyscale.
with my other units, i've gone back into the pallette and reinserted all of the civ-colours, shadows and the green and magenta at the end, but i didn't with the clanrat. sorry
rat swarms are just bunches of rats. Hell, you can kill one by stepping on its neck, imagine what a fully armoured soldier could do to it
nightrunner's have a LOW survivability, and those that do become gutterrunners. you get nightrunners at smithing, play around with those for a while, then the ones who survive get upgraded to gutterrunners at military training.
it would only be three units with -1 HP, and all in the first era. do you think that the skaven were really powerful when they first came into being? of course not. they were mutated freaks of nature, not knowing what was going on. they grew stronger over time, though, and now threaten the whole world. it would make for interesting gameplay, since you would need to have the numbers in order to win, but the units would be cheap, so they could be replaced as often as they were destroyed.
i am willing to give in on the clanrat, tho... since polearms is in the second era, having -1 HP then would be a big disadvantage.
EDIT: just looked at the clanrat in Civ3FlicEdit, and i don't understand what you mean. the pallette is garbled? what part of it? it looks fine to me. in the pallette the shadows are grey, but in the flic they are transparent
with my other units, i've gone back into the pallette and reinserted all of the civ-colours, shadows and the green and magenta at the end, but i didn't with the clanrat. sorry
rat swarms are just bunches of rats. Hell, you can kill one by stepping on its neck, imagine what a fully armoured soldier could do to it
nightrunner's have a LOW survivability, and those that do become gutterrunners. you get nightrunners at smithing, play around with those for a while, then the ones who survive get upgraded to gutterrunners at military training.
it would only be three units with -1 HP, and all in the first era. do you think that the skaven were really powerful when they first came into being? of course not. they were mutated freaks of nature, not knowing what was going on. they grew stronger over time, though, and now threaten the whole world. it would make for interesting gameplay, since you would need to have the numbers in order to win, but the units would be cheap, so they could be replaced as often as they were destroyed.
i am willing to give in on the clanrat, tho... since polearms is in the second era, having -1 HP then would be a big disadvantage.
EDIT: just looked at the clanrat in Civ3FlicEdit, and i don't understand what you mean. the pallette is garbled? what part of it? it looks fine to me. in the pallette the shadows are grey, but in the flic they are transparent
DJ Bonebraker
a.k.a Laura
Yes, I checked the Skaven model that Kinboat made, and it's impossible to do anything with it's facial expressions, so that's out....
What I'm going to try next is going to Daz 3D's forums and get Little Dragon's Furraldo 2.0 (basically a generic toon animal that has morphs that can make him a mouse, rat, skunk, raccoon, dog/coyote (ala Wil E. Coyote), or rabbit), and see what I can do with that (possibly add a hooded cloak if I can find one.... I'm going to be busy for the next few days finishing up the Chocobo Knight, though.
What I'm going to try next is going to Daz 3D's forums and get Little Dragon's Furraldo 2.0 (basically a generic toon animal that has morphs that can make him a mouse, rat, skunk, raccoon, dog/coyote (ala Wil E. Coyote), or rabbit), and see what I can do with that (possibly add a hooded cloak if I can find one.... I'm going to be busy for the next few days finishing up the Chocobo Knight, though.
LMR
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that's cool, in your time buddy
Stormrage
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Thanks dude
Thanks dude
LMR
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since it was based on the temple guard (saurus pike), i need sounds for it before i release it.
were there any made for this guy? i know someone made skink sounds, but i dunno if any where made for the temple guard.
thanks stormy
were there any made for this guy? i know someone made skink sounds, but i dunno if any where made for the temple guard.
thanks stormy
LMR
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@ hikaro: check this out
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104655
do you think that if you got the model you would be able to change it to be more skaven-like?
i mean big front teeth, dark hooded cloak, in a dark, dank cave with other hooded skaven in the background?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104655
do you think that if you got the model you would be able to change it to be more skaven-like?
i mean big front teeth, dark hooded cloak, in a dark, dank cave with other hooded skaven in the background?
It may have been a export-feature in civ3flcedit that's weird, when I've reexported it with flicster it seems ok. As I said, I'll see if there's a quick colour swap hiding here somewhere...
I wouldn't be so adverse to some of the special units (like rat swarm) getting less hit points (what's a negative bonus? malus?).
I do however claim that any of the standard units (start unit, spearman, swordsman, pikeman) getting it would be very bad for game play. If a player knows that the Skaven have less hit points in the first era, you can bet that they would rush them as early as possible, to take them out before they get good. Don't look at it only from a skaven-as-player perspective, look at it from the other angle too.
I hope I could explain my position better know...
There is a very important lesson you need to learn: embryodead is da god of modding!
He didn't add one unit to the WH mod that didn't have sounds (i e he created sounds for many of them), and he changed speed and stuff for a lot of them, including the Pike Saurus.
So, whenever you mod a unit, check if it's in the WH mod first, and mod that version of the unit, if that's changed from the original one.
His attention to detail was really insane.
LMR
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okay. i downloaded the temple guard separately (I have no idea why )
i'll look into it
)i'll look into it
Here's a brown clanrat I whipped up.
EDIT: Preview removed, the unit is finished. See http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3619415#post3619415
EDIT: Preview removed, the unit is finished. See http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3619415#post3619415
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