Skaven development thread

[LMR]

that a good idea. the first Skaven worker should be the "slave rat", maybe working at 75% like the amazon slave (and able to be sacrificed too? ) then upgrades to the Skaven worker, which would work at the regular rate or maybe 125% (and can't be sacrificed)

now there are only three units needed to be made: giant rat, jezzail team and the vermin lord as the Skaven "dragon" equivalent, then the skaven would be complete.

a plague censer bearer wouldn't be bad either. kinda like your NG fanatic, aaglo...

my bilge rat idea is still on orthanc's to-do list too

 

[Stormrage]

I like the idea of two workers! The more the merrier

Didn`t aaglo say he would make the jezzail unit?

And you could make the censer bearer with c`n`p

 

[LMR]

he said he might, i think...

 

[Stormrage]

Bah, you know aaglo, he gives a tease..and then makes it

 

[aaglo]

That's great, Odin. I completely forgot that there can be different workers in different eras.

@LMR!&Axeboy
oh crap
well, I discussed yesterday about these issues:
- the giant rat is almost essential - it would be a non-resource requiring attacker in the first era
- if (more like when) I do the giant rat, it would be daft not to convert it into that ridiculous bilge-rat (propably without a rider, but with that shaky platform attached to it's back
- I also thought about making that plague censer bearer, but not based on the goblin fanatic - that would come out of hobbit flailman
- I know I once mentioned the warplock jezzail. Somehow that thing just doesn't inspire me at all. I mean, it's just one of those ugly skaven with a stick and an ugly shield? What is that gun anyway? A mini-version of the warp-lightning cannon or what?
- mrtn also requested me to do the vermin lord.


does anybody want to be me for a while...

 

[aaglo]

I have a couple of questions:
- does this look like a rat?
- why not?
- should there be civ-colour in this? I had an idea of painting the symbol of the horned rat to the back of this thing, but I think it would not be good. How about a collar or bands around it's feet/shins?

 

[LMR]

looks good, very ratty!

yeah, small rings where the fur and skin meet on the feet would be enough. this could be used in other scenarios too, so i wouldn't put the horned rat on it

i don't really think it needs civ-colours though

 

[mrtn]

I'm quite sure that you can't sacrifice units with a defense value, and the skaven worker needs that, to not turn into a bearded human when captured.

Aaglo, that look just like a rat!
Though not precisely as a Giant Rat, those are more doglike, more shoulders, less ass. And they sometimes seem to have spikes along the spine.

But it's good enough, of course. Especially if you make it snarl so it's not so cute.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Developing spikes and horns are common effects of exposture to warpstone.

 

[aaglo]

Originally, the rat was a bit higher (it looked a lot like those temple/jade dogs), but I made it lower so it looked more like a real rat. But the I too checked the images of these skave giant rats, and noticed that they're nothing like regular rats

Here's an updated version: it's feet are a bit longer, and I've added spikes to the back and civ-coloured bands to the legs

 

[odintheking]

Try making it grey, otherwise, cool!

 

[Wolfhart]

I'm quite sure that you can't sacrifice units with a defense value, and the skaven worker needs that, to not turn into a bearded human when captured.

Actually you can sacrifice units with a defence value. You can sacrifice any unit as long as it's tagged Sacrifice under Special Actions in the unit editor, and it's of a foreign nationality, e.g. an enslaved unit or a unit with pop cost (e.g. worker) built in a city with only foreign citizens (newly conquered or something).

 

[LMR]

so you aren't able to sacrifice your own workers, even if they have the "sacrifice" flag checked?

@aaglo: i think there are a few too many spikes on its back. i would get rid of the two closest to its head. otherwise great

Edit: again @ aaglo: so you will do the Bilge rat after you finish the giant rat? coz if you are gonna do it, i'll let orthanc know

 

[The Last Conformist]

so you aren't able to sacrifice your own workers, even if they have the "sacrifice" flag checked?

No, you can't.

 

[aaglo]

I'll remove a couple of those spikes. And I'm quite sure I will do that bilge rat.

 

[LMR]

okay. i've let orthanc know

 

[aaglo]

Ok!
Here's the preview of bilge-rat

 

[LMR]

That's perfect, aaglo. just how i imagined it to be

i wrote a civilopedia entry for orthanc, so i've PMed him to see if he can send it back to me (coz i've lost it ). i post it here when he does

 

[aaglo]

Giant rat and bilge rat are done:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=164634

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

You know, since I do have Kinboat's Skaven model for Poser, along with two of his musket props (one from the Janissari and one from the Gnoll gunman), I might do the Jezzail team, but the sheild-bearing rat may have a Roman type shield or Kite shield instead of the triangular job that they do in the minis.....