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Slowdown: It's the workers (with link to ugly fix)

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by EmpireOfCats, Oct 16, 2010.

  1. sovarn

    sovarn Warlord

    Nov 8, 2005
    That was the same in civ2. Also the concept of buying tile improvements was implemented was tried in Call to Power. Your civ generated public works and you can spend them to make improvements. Can't remember how well the community liked this.

    But it would probably fit in with the ciV theme where money can buy anything. Although implementing this for the AI would be troublesome.
  2. serikas

    serikas Chieftain

    May 5, 2003
    Does anyone remember that test play live broadcast before the ciV release?

    I can't remember who said it (2k Greg?) but someone mentioned that there was one guy who was assigned to only work on the worker automation AI throughout the whole ciV development. And workers are building farms, then build trade posts on the farms, then build farms again, on and on, and cause the whole game to slow down.


    Maybe this is another proof that ciV team didn't really work on computer games but worked on pen and paper board games..
  3. Hail

    Hail Satan's minion

    Apr 25, 2009
    Mother Russia
    it's just... he has not finished yet! :lol:
  4. Alphard

    Alphard Chieftain

    Nov 25, 2005
    The thing I like about the workers is that you can steal them from other players.. and you also need to guard them.

    Lousy implementation is no reason to cut the feature completely.
  5. Pantastic

    Pantastic King

    Mar 15, 2006
    Civilization: Call to Power did this, you set a slider to put part of your hammers or gold (forget which) to a pool for improvements, then built them without a settler. I also would like to see something like that instead of worker units, but they seem attached to workers. I also don't know if there's any bad blood about CTP, since it was released by Activision - IIRC Avalon Hill also had a claim on the name "Civilization" from their board game, and Activision licensed the name from them, or something along those lines.

    In Civ1 and 2 Settlers did the job of workers and settlers. Technically there wasn't a worker unit, but there were noncombat guys who you moved around to build improvements just like workers now, the only difference was that they could also found cities.
  6. AlpsStranger

    AlpsStranger Jump jump on the tiger!

    Feb 8, 2009
    This is interesting. I was not aware that this was the root cause of the slowdown. Not a very good fix, but *excellent* detective work.
  7. pagh80

    pagh80 Warlord

    Nov 25, 2001
    Call to Power never got the critics and popularity that the game deserved.
    On several areas it was well ahead of the current civ games and had some brilliant ideas at the time.
    Public works was one of them. Take a percentage of your empirewide hammers and use them to buy improvements. These improvements still took some turns to make but this time you didnt have to micro your workers. The gameplay became smoother cause of it.
    Another brilliant idea was that you could make the improvements stronger later on when you unlocked certain techs. This way a farm could be improved i think 3 times during the game to become a super farm later. It was fun and created some new strategies, you had to be aware of.
    Mass city management was good also.
    You could save buildqueues and assign these to 1 or multiple cities. All it took was a few clicks. It was quite brilliant. In 3 clicks you could give 20 cities a buildqueue to work on.(maybe that first came in CtP2 i cant remember)
    They introduced borders also i believe, but the AI could still enter them without declaring war. It showed though that they were close to the modern way of handling it like in Civ IV and V.
    Making small armies of up to 3 units which worked together as one strong unit. This gave some interresting combat options. It has defiently potential if implemented correctly.
  8. Bhoy

    Bhoy Chieftain

    Jun 26, 2003
    Belfast, Ireland
    I can remember when I first played Civ3 I thought to myself "what to hell, this is not as good as CTP2, why did they ignore all the obviously great strides that game made?"

    The biggest problem with CTP2, if my memory serves me correctly, was the stupid AI. Was just too easy to beat em even at the hardest level. I remember thinking that Civ 3 would be CTP2 with just much better AI. Unfortunately it wasn't.

    Civ5 is a throw back to how I felt when I first tried Civ3, only I'm more disappointed with Civ5 because I thought that they were going to give me a better version of Civ 4 (fixed the combat, give us cool hexes and make the AI more intelligent).

    They've managed to deliver a much worse game than Civ4 BTS, with only the cool hexes being achieved from the above list.
  9. Jharii

    Jharii King

    Sep 3, 2007
    Walled Lake, MI
    They must all belong to unions.
  10. Ronin228

    Ronin228 Chieftain

    Jun 5, 2006
    I have been giving this game a chance before I posted a negative thread about it. I was very excited about Civ5 being released, as I enjoyed both Civ3 & Civ4 prior to this. I'm nearing the end of a game and its' about 1980AD. For the past 100 years or so, the turns and load times have been incredibly slow, I haven't experience such slowness in games since the 80's when I tried playing games off a tape drive into a Timex Sinclare computer lol

    Last night I had a few beers, put the family to bed, and was looking forward to a little Civ5 action... well within two turns I had passed out in my officer chair waiting for the next turn to load. This is unacceptable and I can't play the game like this. I don't have much time to game and I don't want to spend half of it staring a the circling globe cursor :mad:

    I have a decent rig, not top of the line but it should be able to run this game... it's an Intel Q6600 (OC'd to 3.2ghz), Radeon 5870 video, 4gb ram... is there anything I'm missing that would help with load & turn times???

    Moderator Action: Merged threads, hopefully you'll find your answer here. :)
  11. Lonkut

    Lonkut ..--""--..

    Jul 13, 2004
  12. Fariic

    Fariic Chieftain

    Apr 13, 2010
    I managed to figure out what mods was causing slow down for me( RED) in particilar. One I stopped using certain mods I havent had trouble. Turn times could be better.

    I'm playing a huge earth, marathon, and the world is covered.
    I have a quad core processor, 64 bit vista, and 8 gigs of ram. Turns are about 30 seconds.
  13. Afforess

    Afforess The White Wizard

    Jul 31, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    I don't get why workers are the slowdown though. Shouldn't the code be really simple.


    If Plot does not have trading post
    build trading post

    What am I missing here?
  14. Wardancing

    Wardancing Warlord

    Mar 31, 2010
    From my brief demo runs, but mainly reading these forums, i would think the code would look more like this:


    01 If Plot does not have trading post
    02 calculate path to get to plot
    03 if path obstructed stop and contemplate life
    04 goto 02
    05 if unit on plot goto 03
    06 build trading post
    07 Loop

    i think the lag is probably some infinate loops of 02 through 05
  15. CarloTheCurious

    CarloTheCurious Chieftain

    Oct 9, 2010
    London, UK
    Use all those 5-minute breaks to get some RL stuff done! :p
  16. Afforess

    Afforess The White Wizard

    Jul 31, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    By gods, you've found it! The game is forcing workers to calculate the meaning of life each time (42). :lol:
  17. Ktulu

    Ktulu Warlord

    Dec 10, 2002
    BC, Canada
    Another thing that might be contributing to slowdowns is the unnecessary unit movements by the AI, especially city states. Every time the "camera" is on AI territory I always see units moving around within their borders. Why? Where are they going? Are they moving just for the sake of moving?

    For most of the game my units are stationary, the only time my military is moving within my own borders is when I'm actively at war or when the unit is initially built and needs to go somewhere.
  18. EmpireOfCats

    EmpireOfCats Death to Giant Robots

    Feb 20, 2010
    Actually, in the beginning, I was doing sit-ups. No, seriously. However, somehow, I just couldn't keep up after a while :).

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