So I went to a ki reiki meeting...

[Shadylookin]

They probably just want to run a tax exempt spa for people of a highly superstitious nature.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Sure, they're using scientific jargon like "magnets" and "energies" to disguise their lack of evidence

Surely both "magnet" and "energy" are everyday words, which are anything but restricted to scientific jargon?

It's, btw, amusing that she simultaneously holds that the efficacy of her practice is outside scientific knowability, and tries to convince her listeners of it by appealing to studies and anecdotal evidence.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Reiki is one of the more widely known forms of energy healing. Energy Healing involves direct application of Chi for the purpose of strengthening the clients energy system (aura). Chi is the term used by the Chinese mystics and martial artists for the underlying force the Universe is made of. Mystics in all cultures have talked about the physical universe being made of an underlying form of something, much as modern physics research is now coming to understand the Universe is made of energy which is subject to (or affected by) thought. Just as modern physics says this energy is affected by thought the mystics also say this underlying form is affected by thought, going so far as to claim we create our own reality from our thinking and the thoughts we share between each of us every day.

Stop and reflect for a moment. Imagine the implications of the universe around us made from energy which can be shaped and manipulated by thoughts. This is the implication of both Quantum Physics and ancient Metaphysics. Might this make some diseases easier to explain, especially those which have no apparent physical cause? Might this make miraculous cures easier to explain? For example there was research study done a couple years ago showing that prayer improves the health of those who are prayed for, the focus of intent in prayer sends thoughts out in the form of "I wish such-and-so to happen", so if the world is energy subject to the power of thought then prayers must work (depending on how clearly and carefully you hold and elaborate on the prayers or thoughts).

http://reiki.7gen.com/index.html#Introduction

 

[The Last Conformist]

OK, that's definitively pseudoscientific nonsense.

I feel entirely capable of living the rest of my life happily without knowing how she reconciles that with the stuff being beyond scientific knowability.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Ive been perusing the site, its actually kind of interesting. When you get down to brass tacks what theyre talking about isnt all that different from what Christians and other mainstream religions preach. What theyre talking about isnt any more ridiculous than the notion that getting on your knees, pressing your palms toegther, and begging will cause the creator of the universe to alter his plans for reality and go along instead with your needs and desires.

 

[crystal]

Oh man, that page seems funny.

@Dumb pothead
Exactly, worshipping imaginative heroes can never be very logical.

 

[Soundthinker]

But what if some-one CAN actually cure cancer by laying their hands on another person, WHAT IF? Does your view of the known universe allow for such things. Mine does.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

But what if some-one CAN actually cure cancer by laying their hands on another person, WHAT IF? Does your view of the known universe allow for such things. Mine does.

I don't exclude the possibility. But thus far I am not convinced. Would it change my world? It will deffinately change THE world so it will. But these touchy-feely intuition-based studies are not scientific. They do not stand the test of reason and in their promotion they produce real damage (people forgoing tried and tested medicine in favour of this "alternative").

 

[Lozzy_Ozzy]

My auntie did loads of courses or something on Reiki.

She now gets loads of money from doing it to people.

She's moving house so that she has a spare ground floor room to do it in (her current house is really nice ).

 

[Rambuchan]

If some of you remember, a while ago I mentioned I will be going to a meeting of a "special" kind of people.

They practice a 50 year old healing technique called "Ki Reiki". Their doctrine is not very clear, but it comprises of a very diverse set of practices involving magnets, crystals, massage (not that kind ) and some specific bodily positions.

Anyway, about the meeting....

..... That is, comprised of members of society with few or no friends, sharing a holy grail of knowledge of things paranormal.

Comments, questions welcome.

I think you should try hanging out with younger women.

 

[Steph]

I had other weirdos with the Ayurved Maharashi, who proposed a list for election in some French department.

They have a very interesting program...

Two examples:
- About defense : there will be not war thanks to a policy of "invincibility of the nation" (sic).
- General function: square root of 2% of the population will be affected to medidation (you know, the kind where you are cross legged and spend hours saying "Hmm"). This medidation will bring back positive coherent thinking to the society, and it is supposed to solve all problems : health, crime, unemployment, etc.

 

[Rambuchan]

I had other weirdos with the Ayurved Maharashi, who proposed a list for election in some French department.

They have a very interesting program...

Two examples:
- About defense : there will be not war thanks to a policy of "invincibility of the nation" (sic).
- General function: square root of 2% of the population will be affected to medidation (you know, the kind where you are cross legged and spend hours saying "Hmm"). This medidation will bring back positive coherent thinking to the society, and it is supposed to solve all problems : health, crime, unemployment, etc.

I don't know what kind of Ayurveda you're going on about here, but when did Ayurvedic Medicine have anything to do with running France, or departments of it?

 

[Steph]

I don't know what kind of Ayurveda you're going on about here, but when did Ayurvedic Medicine have anything to do with running France, or departments of it?

Probably never has they get something like 0.1% of the votes

 

[Rambuchan]

Probably never has they get something like 0.1% of the votes

That's brilliantly funny from my perspective. Maybe there is a Reflexology Party I can sign up to round here... .

 

[Aphex_Twin]

I think you should try hanging out with younger women.

On the contrary, it was a younger friend that introduced me to those people. Well, she has found a new group, even crazier than this one which I'm thinking of crashing some time in the future

 

[Rambuchan]

On the contrary, it was a younger friend that introduced me to those people. Well, she has found a new group, even crazier than this one which I'm thinking of crashing some time in the future

OMG! Crashing Reiki parties? Isn't that scraping the barrel a bit?

 

[Yom]

Why would you bother wasting your time like that?

 

[Aphex_Twin]

OMG! Crashing Reiki parties? Isn't that scraping the barrel a bit?

I don't know, new-age mysticism should it's entertaniment value. I hear this new group has a few interesting theories about Martians

 

[Rambuchan]

Oh yes and there's always a good sense of 'free love' hanging about these gatherings too .

Oh and btw - I too think you were unnecessarily cruel to the old girl. It was her class not a debate. Shame on you for taking petty CFC chat to the real world.

 

[CurtSibling]

I heard that this 'Ki Reiki' is heavily infiltrated by a secret and extreme christian cult...

Their mission is to undermine and convert the new age faiths...

And, this is from from a christian source, namely a priest who is an associate of a friend.

Here in Scotland, this doctrine, has a cult like-following among certain groups of people I have heard of...

They are dangerous to gullible individuals...