Bernie+AOC Rallies?

[Senethro]

Parties pro Hamas in my country are radical left, the type that wants to bring a left autocracy, crash economy, leave EU and €... so hard pass for my vote. So the Palestinian question is irrelevant for my vote. Doesn't mean I don't care about what Israel is doing to them!

Yes. That's the problem. That is the problem that I am repeatedly highlighting. You have repeated my framing of the problem back to me, though you seem to be treating it as a immutable fact.

This suggests some failure of communication is taking place. I'm not sure how to get past this.

This is the important question: why can't the so called moderate, mainstream parties take an anti-genocide stance? Why do you have only those choices?

 

[Ordnael]

I am pretty sure all parties, at least here, are anti-genocide...but they are also probably OK with Israel doing their stuff. It's not like Portuguese pressure on these matters counts for changing anything substantial.
Then again middle east foreign policy matters not for the average Joe here.
Does the EU have a stance on the subject? Mainstream pro-EU parties (the case with "mainstream" parties here) will probably adopt whatever Brussels dictates.

 

[Lexicus]

I've always been straight up about keeping Nazi types out of power at all costs. Don't elect them fairly simple concept

The problem is that you don't define Joe Biden as a "Nazi type" despite the fact that he perpetrated genocide

 

[Angst]

most people angry about palestine are not happy with the dems handling of it @Ordnael , seeing sentiment online it definitely took away from democratic votes. we don't know the degree of engagement from election-side however because dems refused to poll it, if that makes sense

 

[Zardnaar]

The problem is that you don't define Joe Biden as a "Nazi type" despite the fact that he perpetrated genocide

Bit hyperbolic you do you though.

Mysteriously silent though on similar things happening else where.

What happens overseas is essentially irrelevant though. And its an online thing that's only really applicable to the USA.

Doesn't help you've been advocating fir HAMAS nit the most sympathetic group.
. And yeah right before election it was polling at 4%.

It wasn't top 5 concern or even top q0. You're arguing morality I'm arguing reality.
Palestinians were getting screwed no matter what. Harris Trump pick your poison.

You have the choice to opt out as well. Trumps probably fine with that decision.

There's a tine and place to care about abstractvthings like foreign affairs. It's when the home front is reasonably comfortable and has the luxury to care.

 

[Zardnaar]

most people angry about palestine are not happy with the dems handling of it @Ordnael , seeing sentiment online it definitely took away from democratic votes. we don't know the degree of engagement from election-side however because dems refused to poll it, if that makes sense

That's the reality. Residents of Dearborn Michigan get to live with their choice enjoy

 

[Senethro]

If genocide doesn't matter, what does matter?

Also, whats with the implication that even symbolic or minor pushback on Israel is somehow mutually exclusive with domestic issues?

 

[amadeus]

In order for these rallies to be a success they have to be emceed by someone who can really work a crowd in the entertainment sphere. I don’t think either of them have that either as an innate feature or as a developed skill—I think Trump has a bit of both, more honed from being on television as host of The Apprentice.

Whatever the politics are. George Lincoln Rockwell was in advertising. Think about it!

 

[Zardnaar]

If genocide doesn't matter, what does matter?

Also, whats with the implication that even symbolic or minor pushback on Israel is somehow mutually exclusive with domestic issues?

It's in a far away land. You're also very selective where you apply thise words to. You're not commenting on Tibet, Kurds, Uyghurs etc. If you don't cate about them why should people care about your pet concerns?
HAMAs isn't the most sympathetic cause. They're more upset they're not the ones doing the kicking it seems.

Yes people will care about price of eggs vs events in far away land.

What's important to you (or me) isn't shared by the majority of our fellow citizens.

Left can't communicate those ideas outside of academic circles. That a problem.

I posted a short video about AoC. She's doing the rally thing and going out to places typicalliberals don't go.

 

[Angst]

It's in a far away land. You're also very selective where you apply thise words to. You're not commenting on Tibet, Kurds, Uyghurs etc. If you don't cate about them why should people care about your pet concerns?
HAMAs isn't the most sympathetic cause. They're more upset they're not the ones doing the kicking it seems.

not hamas. palestine.

people care about palestinians more than the other groups mentioned here because gaza is the only genocide directly & actively enabled by the united states (and the rest of the western countries, ofc). israel is an ally that the west supplies weapons specifically to sustain them. china isn't.

we have told you this many, many times. please absorb things. you're not that old.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

gaza is the only genocide directly & actively enabled by the united states

Yemen would like a word with you.

 

[Senethro]

It's in a far away land. You're also very selective where you apply thise words to. You're not commenting on Tibet, Kurds, Uyghurs etc. If you don't cate about them why should people care about your pet concerns?
HAMAs isn't the most sympathetic cause. They're more upset they're not the ones doing the kicking it seems.

Yes people will care about price of eggs vs events in far away land.

What's important to you (or me) isn't shared by the majority of our fellow citizens.

Left can't communicate those ideas outside of academic circles. That a problem.

I posted a short video about AoC. She's doing the rally thing and going out to places typicalliberals don't go.

These are mostly just personal/group attacks, not actually answers. (And a whole lot of repetition)

I'm starting to think your previous smugness about NZ being the least genocidal Anglo colony might have been empty, or for the wrong reasons.

 

[Angst]

Yemen would like a word with you.

i mean yea..? i was going from the examples presented.

 

[Zardnaar]

These are mostly just personal/group attacks, not actually answers. (And a whole lot of repetition)

I'm starting to think your previous smugness about NZ being the least genocidal Anglo colony might have been empty, or for the wrong reasons.

NZ thr least insane of the Anglo nations. Not perfect here. Murdoch media never really caught on. Far left tends to be Greens. They get 7-15% or so.

 

[danjuno]

NZ thr least insane of the Anglo nations. Not perfect here. Murdoch media never really caught on. Far left tends to be Greens. They get 7-15% or so.

Telling you didn't even respond to Angst when they asked you to not conflated all Palestinians with Hamas.

 

[Ordnael]

More purity tests from the thought police?
Everyone guilty of thought crime as default?
Does @Zardnaar or anyone has to explain he's not a monsters and why before participating in public discourse?
I don't like this thought police and will keep voting accordingly.

 

[Angst]

More purity tests from the thought police?
Everyone guilty of thought crime as default?
Does @Zardnaar or anyone has to explain he's not a monsters and why before participating in public discourse?
I don't like this thought police and will keep voting accordingly.

"you like pineapple"
"no i'm allergic"
"THOUGHT POLICE! i'm going to vote against you now"

 

[Senethro]

More purity tests from the thought police?
Everyone guilty of thought crime as default?
Does @Zardnaar or anyone has to explain he's not a monsters and why before participating in public discourse?
I don't like this thought police and will keep voting accordingly.

To say that genocides don't matter you need a pretty compelling argument or set of circumstances, and you (plural) are just not offering that. Some of its lazy, some of its callous and much of it sulky like its a huge imposition upon you.

 

[Zardnaar]

To say that genocides don't matter you need a pretty compelling argument or set of circumstances, and you (plural) are just not offering that. Some of its lazy, some of its callous and much of it sulky like its a huge imposition upon you.

I said they don't matter to the average voter. That's different.

People care about domestic issues more than foreign affairs.

Economy Most Important Issue to 2024 Presidential Vote

U.S. voters rate the economy as the most important issue to their presidential vote, with democracy, potential Supreme Court picks and terrorism/national security also ranking highly.

news.gallup.com

Wasn't a top 5 issue leading into election last year. I' m not sure if it cracked top 10.

Doesn't help it got weaponized by worse regimes than USA to split the left. Notice how things got very quiet post election. Even here a few posters seem to mysteriously disappear. Strange that can't figure that one out.

Hamas isn't exactly sympathetic and some people on protests crossed the line from Anti Israeli government to out right anti semitism.

Trump won, he won the popular vote as well. AoC and Bernie ate smart enough to figure this out.

 

[Angst]

Doesn't help it got weaponized by worse regimes than USA to split the left. Notice how things got very quiet post election. Even here a few posters seem to mysteriously disappear. Strange that can't figure that one out.

unironically curious about this (even as you ignore my other post), so i'll ask; how so? you don't have to name any names.

it's mostly interesting to me because i mostly noticed that about right wingers in my friend circles, who've gotten strangely quiet after trump turned out as every leftwinger expected him to be.