So originally religion was planned for Civ5, but apparently they took it out.

[mystikmind2005]

It's because those "slight negative things" are complete constructs and paranoid delusions.

The guy just said that Civilization V's lack of religion and future DLCs are because of Steam's (a program made by Valve) master plan. Valve offers a service, which is free integration called Steamworks. Developers can choose to take advantage of it.

Do you really think "Steam" (Valve) had anything to do with 2K's decision to adopt Steamworks?

Make sense, and I'll have no reason to "defend Steam's honor". If you don't like being forced to use a third party app when playing your game, that's cool I understand that. If you don't like digital distribution, I don't agree, but I understand that. If you don't like DRM and thus refuse to use Steam, I understand that.

When you say that Valve is actively ruining your favorite franchises and stealing your private data, that's when you start to lose me.

Fair enough but your putting such 'passion' into your responses,, it infers a kind of fanatical love of Steam - apology if that impression is wrong.

 

[ZimbuTheMonkey]

It's because those threads honestly make me rage. Same as when people say Civ V's interface is for "console kiddies". I'm not a game designer, but I can't imagine how a UI like that would be practical or even possible for consoles.

Plenty of legitimate complaints against both Steam and CiV, no reason to waste time on crazy talk.

 

[anandus]

Totally agree with you Monkeyman.

 

[mystikmind2005]

It's because those threads honestly make me rage. Same as when people say Civ V's interface is for "console kiddies". I'm not a game designer, but I can't imagine how a UI like that would be practical or even possible for consoles.

Plenty of legitimate complaints against both Steam and CiV, no reason to waste time on crazy talk.

Well this is a game forum, and naturally People have all manner of opinion and opinion is not fact yours or theirs, it is opinion. Still plenty of incorrect facts to shoot down tho (politely)

"No reason to waste time on crazy talk"?? C'mon now, you have to admit that line is a bit of a stretch going by your posting history?

 

[ZimbuTheMonkey]

What assertion have I made that you would consider "crazy" from my post history?

 

[Venereus]

What assertion have I made that you would consider "crazy" from my post history?

Name and avatar aside, you seem pretty sane to me. And a good poster for sure.

 

[Maniacal]

I don't see the big deal. I was happy with having a non-specific Temple in Civ2, instead of ending up with my neighbours being worse than Jehovah's Witnesses in Civ4.

 

[mystikmind2005]

What assertion have I made that you would consider "crazy" from my post history?

bzzzz (incorrect buzzer sound).

you said no use wasting time 'on' crazy talk not 'making' crazy talk.

 

[Zechnophobe]

It's because those threads honestly make me rage. Same as when people say Civ V's interface is for "console kiddies". I'm not a game designer, but I can't imagine how a UI like that would be practical or even possible for consoles.

Plenty of legitimate complaints against both Steam and CiV, no reason to waste time on crazy talk.

Hmm, I wouldn't really disagree there. It doesn't seem like it was designed FOR consoles, but it does seem to use a lot of the same methodology. If you asked a florist do design your UI, it'd probably have flowers on it somewhere, even if they don't think the target audience wants them. It's just, all they know, ifyaknowwhatImean.

 

[ZimbuTheMonkey]

Hmm, I wouldn't really disagree there. It doesn't seem like it was designed FOR consoles, but it does seem to use a lot of the same methodology. If you asked a florist do design your UI, it'd probably have flowers on it somewhere, even if they don't think the target audience wants them. It's just, all they know, ifyaknowwhatImean.

Shafer (and Civ team) have repeatedly said that they are going for an art-deco type feel. So a UI that would look like if it was currently in its Golden Age or something. Other than an aesthetic theme, I don't really know what you mean by your analogy. Some of the UI elements could be improved, but I don't see the reason for the comparison to consoles.

Look at Fallout for example:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/6/63576/falltwo_screen002.jpg

The UI is made to look like a nuke was dropped on a 50s era machine, and it worked to great effect in immersing the player. At least it did for me. And I think Civ V does it very well also, I just wish the UI was more responsible and glitch-free.