So where IS the freakin' patch!?!?
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Dearmad
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Gee whiz... they update the civ3 site and STILL no word of a patch!
Oh, and has ANYONE ever gotten anything at ALL out of their free CIVIII EMAIL UPDATES!?! Remember when you signed up for that!? C'mon, ADMIT it! You KNOW you just gonna get SidGOLF updates through THAT bit of marketing ploy!
Oh, and has ANYONE ever gotten anything at ALL out of their free CIVIII EMAIL UPDATES!?! Remember when you signed up for that!? C'mon, ADMIT it! You KNOW you just gonna get SidGOLF updates through THAT bit of marketing ploy!
CurtSibling
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Yep!
Sid is almost as "arrogant" as a certain Centurion who ego-trips with his own signature, eh, mike?
Mike C
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Originally posted by CurtSibling
Yep!
Sid is almost as "arrogant" as a certain Centurion who ego-trips with his own signature, eh, mike?
You can bet your ass on that one!!!
Nice zinger.
Now back off because no one messes with the Centurion!
Seriously though, I want patch! NOW!
CurtSibling
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Originally posted by Mike C
You can bet your ass on that one!!!
Nice zinger.
Now back off because no one messes with the Centurion!
Seriously though, I want patch! NOW!
ENEMY ACE extends his greeting, noble defender of Rome!
I agree with you,
These bugs have to be addresssed...and NOW!
Sea and air defence bugged...what a mess!
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iLiAS
Great post - Clearly from the heart....
Thanks for the update Squirrel -
Funny the FirAXIS funbunch can update Apolton, but refuse to update thier own website...
7 patches with showstoppers? They have problems...
Great post - Clearly from the heart....
Thanks for the update Squirrel -
Funny the FirAXIS funbunch can update Apolton, but refuse to update thier own website...
7 patches with showstoppers? They have problems...
Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
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Thanks for all the constructive input, Craterus. When the patch is released it will indeed be added to Civ3.com.
Dan
Dan
Craterus22
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Well believe it or not I have actually had more contructive posts than the one you were responding to...
Seriously - A list of known bugs on your website would save alot of time spent by your customers re-writing descriptions of bugs that have been known for weeks.
Goodluck
Seriously - A list of known bugs on your website would save alot of time spent by your customers re-writing descriptions of bugs that have been known for weeks.
Goodluck
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Yes it would. It wouldn't be so tough to do. I gotta admit, I'm stumped by Firaxis' silence on MP before release, and now on the patch...
Unless they get reams of emails from all you nasty fans flaming them when they DO communicate (which would be bad form indeed). Hm...
Craterus- funny he picked on your post... sorta like wacking the rat who last had his head up!
Ducking into MY hole now!
Unless they get reams of emails from all you nasty fans flaming them when they DO communicate (which would be bad form indeed). Hm...
Craterus- funny he picked on your post... sorta like wacking the rat who last had his head up!
Ducking into MY hole now!
WarandPeace
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Communication is important. Why are you guys not telling it to us straight about which way the focus of the game is taking? Are you making the patch, thinking about it or just sitting on you're ass collecting money.
Sure, it's great to send Dan and Jeff and use them as CIV's public-relation spokesmen, by offering seldom replies to a bewildered community. But who else besides "civ fanatics" would glue themselves on these forums all day, hoping not to miss any critical information about improving their games?
A suggestion, To put it simply, as no other way a guy can: UPDATE YOUR WEBSITE
TELLS us what the heck you're doing, so there won't be a bunch of customers --both confused and furious-- thinking you don't give a rats ass about them.
Sure, it's great to send Dan and Jeff and use them as CIV's public-relation spokesmen, by offering seldom replies to a bewildered community. But who else besides "civ fanatics" would glue themselves on these forums all day, hoping not to miss any critical information about improving their games?
A suggestion, To put it simply, as no other way a guy can: UPDATE YOUR WEBSITE
TELLS us what the heck you're doing, so there won't be a bunch of customers --both confused and furious-- thinking you don't give a rats ass about them.
Mike C
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Dan, people are a lot more forgiving when you don't simply give them the friggin cold shoulder routine. They don't appreciate being treated like trash. Especially after paying 50+ dollars depending on which edition they got.
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Dearmad
it was either funny or sad that he picked my post to respond to...
I was really struck by what Ilias had to say in his post. And his post is exactly what I am talking about when I suggest that they update thier site with information.
I try not to clutter the board with two sentence replies (I try my best honest), but here is a case where someone really put some time into thier post and is there a response from the company? Should there be? Probably not since there are SO MANY people that have put significant time into thier posts. There wouldn't be any time left - right?
Hmmm... how could we communicate with all our fans in an efficient manner?
What tool could we use to let our customers know that we are going to take care of them?
Where could we list problems that we are aware of, so that our customers won't have to spend time writing bug descriptions of known bugs?
I can't think of a place Dan - can you? Oh I know!!! We can let the customers do it on a fan site!! And if the customers don't keep up on every post on the fan site (unlike a single page on a company website- this will make them work harder) they will miss out on the Grail Post(the one with all the answers).
Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
Hey - no kidding sherlock - it will? Why would you put your patch on your own website? Wouldn't a patch mean that it wasn't perfect? How could you possibly sell more games if you were to talk about bugs or patches on your website?
But seriously, ignore all these whiners and complainers... they don't love the game as much as I do anyway - and besides -
YOUR THE GREATEST!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
I love civ3
it was either funny or sad that he picked my post to respond to...
I was really struck by what Ilias had to say in his post. And his post is exactly what I am talking about when I suggest that they update thier site with information.
I try not to clutter the board with two sentence replies (I try my best honest), but here is a case where someone really put some time into thier post and is there a response from the company? Should there be? Probably not since there are SO MANY people that have put significant time into thier posts. There wouldn't be any time left - right?
Hmmm... how could we communicate with all our fans in an efficient manner?
What tool could we use to let our customers know that we are going to take care of them?
Where could we list problems that we are aware of, so that our customers won't have to spend time writing bug descriptions of known bugs?
I can't think of a place Dan - can you? Oh I know!!! We can let the customers do it on a fan site!! And if the customers don't keep up on every post on the fan site (unlike a single page on a company website- this will make them work harder) they will miss out on the Grail Post(the one with all the answers).
Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
Hey - no kidding sherlock - it will? Why would you put your patch on your own website? Wouldn't a patch mean that it wasn't perfect? How could you possibly sell more games if you were to talk about bugs or patches on your website?
But seriously, ignore all these whiners and complainers... they don't love the game as much as I do anyway - and besides -
YOUR THE GREATEST!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
I love civ3
Communicating with customers and fans is no rocket science. It's Business 101 guys.
There's two steps involved:
1. Aknowledge the issues -- if you don't do this then your customers don't know if and what issues you even recognize and admit. Yes, Firaxis knows there's a need for a patch (I think) but what issues (of the many) will be patched?? Your guess is as good as mine.
2. Specifically state what you are doing to fix those problems (what is planned to be fixed in 1st patch as first priority, what in the 2nd, etc.)
3. Provide a time frame for the solution.
Is that so hard??
(look who's talking, I am not an MBA major, I am a musician and a programmer)
Let me add another point to my previous post. Yesterday I played Civ2 for a couple of hours. One thing that really struck me after having played Civ3 is how "dignified" Civ2 feels. It just has a more serious, epic feel to it, while Civ3 is more cartoonish, it feels more of a "game" (I could really do without discussing serious diplomatic matters with Cleopatra while she is taking her bath).
You know, when it comes to films, books, music or games, I have always liked labors of love. This was the case with Civ2 and Civ before it.
Now Civ3 is just business (a BIG business at that, a goldmine). They made it more colorful and cartoonish to attrack a wider audience, they added/changed the least they could get away with it to justify releasing a new version and sell a gazillion of copies. And you know what? They will. And they are right to be arrogant. Because it's not their fault. It's ours.
Because for all the nagging and complaining about Civ3 in this and other boards, have you checked the game sales charts lately?? Civ3 is way WAY up there.
As long as we continue to buy faulty/incomplete games and making them best-sellers, this trend will no doubt continue. No one else is to blame but us. By voting with our dollars, we condone this behavior. Period.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Civ3Net comes out 6 months from now. And, at this point and rate, I wouldn't even be surprised if Firaxis charged rull price for it. Sure, they could justify it with a few units being thrown in, a few senarios and a few other "enhancements" to the AI and the core gameplay. And you know what? I have a feeling that will sell like hot-cakes too. I don't understand it, I don't like it, but I am just cynical that that's how it will be.
As for me, all this let down and disappointment has taught me a lesson. This is the *last* time I buy a game right when it comes out. Next time, I will wait a while first to see how it turns out, read the forums, and then decide (and by the way, I am still selling Civ3 tin edition and the strategy book at exactly half-price. They are literally brand-new. If you want them, my email address is in my earlier post in this thread).
My love affair these days is with a *true* labor of love (at least for now). It's called Europa Universalis II.
Perhaps after Europa Universalis III it will all be downhill, like Civ3. Who knows. But at least I am enjoying it for what it is worth. Right now.
Like WarandPeace said in his earlier reply post "Nothing lasts forever".
Happy gaming
ilias
Edit1: Another lesson I've learned is *never* to read these damn game reviews on the web anymore! Have you seen all the great scores Civ3 is collecting?? When you actually read the reviews, have you seen any mention of the serious issues and bugs (rather than the superficial observations they usually write about)?? Neither have I. Yes, the web ad revenue is seriously down, a lot of these sites are not making money, there's just so many of them and the competition to attract visitors is fierce, so I think their reviewing standards are way way down. I have come to SERIOUSLY doubt whether any reviewer spends any considerable amount of time with the game before finishing off their review and slapping a 9/10 rating. I actually noticed that on a very well-known popular gaming site, one reviewer completed 3 reviews in 5 days! Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
There's two steps involved:
1. Aknowledge the issues -- if you don't do this then your customers don't know if and what issues you even recognize and admit. Yes, Firaxis knows there's a need for a patch (I think) but what issues (of the many) will be patched?? Your guess is as good as mine.
2. Specifically state what you are doing to fix those problems (what is planned to be fixed in 1st patch as first priority, what in the 2nd, etc.)
3. Provide a time frame for the solution.
Is that so hard??
(look who's talking, I am not an MBA major, I am a musician and a programmer)
Let me add another point to my previous post. Yesterday I played Civ2 for a couple of hours. One thing that really struck me after having played Civ3 is how "dignified" Civ2 feels. It just has a more serious, epic feel to it, while Civ3 is more cartoonish, it feels more of a "game" (I could really do without discussing serious diplomatic matters with Cleopatra while she is taking her bath).
You know, when it comes to films, books, music or games, I have always liked labors of love. This was the case with Civ2 and Civ before it.
Now Civ3 is just business (a BIG business at that, a goldmine). They made it more colorful and cartoonish to attrack a wider audience, they added/changed the least they could get away with it to justify releasing a new version and sell a gazillion of copies. And you know what? They will. And they are right to be arrogant. Because it's not their fault. It's ours.
Because for all the nagging and complaining about Civ3 in this and other boards, have you checked the game sales charts lately?? Civ3 is way WAY up there.
As long as we continue to buy faulty/incomplete games and making them best-sellers, this trend will no doubt continue. No one else is to blame but us. By voting with our dollars, we condone this behavior. Period.
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Civ3Net comes out 6 months from now. And, at this point and rate, I wouldn't even be surprised if Firaxis charged rull price for it. Sure, they could justify it with a few units being thrown in, a few senarios and a few other "enhancements" to the AI and the core gameplay. And you know what? I have a feeling that will sell like hot-cakes too. I don't understand it, I don't like it, but I am just cynical that that's how it will be.
As for me, all this let down and disappointment has taught me a lesson. This is the *last* time I buy a game right when it comes out. Next time, I will wait a while first to see how it turns out, read the forums, and then decide (and by the way, I am still selling Civ3 tin edition and the strategy book at exactly half-price. They are literally brand-new. If you want them, my email address is in my earlier post in this thread).
My love affair these days is with a *true* labor of love (at least for now). It's called Europa Universalis II.
Perhaps after Europa Universalis III it will all be downhill, like Civ3. Who knows. But at least I am enjoying it for what it is worth. Right now.
Like WarandPeace said in his earlier reply post "Nothing lasts forever".
Happy gaming
ilias
Edit1: Another lesson I've learned is *never* to read these damn game reviews on the web anymore! Have you seen all the great scores Civ3 is collecting?? When you actually read the reviews, have you seen any mention of the serious issues and bugs (rather than the superficial observations they usually write about)?? Neither have I. Yes, the web ad revenue is seriously down, a lot of these sites are not making money, there's just so many of them and the competition to attract visitors is fierce, so I think their reviewing standards are way way down. I have come to SERIOUSLY doubt whether any reviewer spends any considerable amount of time with the game before finishing off their review and slapping a 9/10 rating. I actually noticed that on a very well-known popular gaming site, one reviewer completed 3 reviews in 5 days! Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
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