Some Gun Help

[Stevenpfo]

As the title suggests i'm in need of some help. Some gun help.

I'm going to be receiving my grandfathers gun soon. Does anyone know where or how to get the barrel stopped up? I was considering getting my license and maybe using it but from all accounts i've heard the barrel isn't attached to the stock very well and that can lead to bad things if you try to use a gun in that condition

I want to mount it and fix it up so it looks nice and maybe put a little plaque on it. My grandfather used to use that to feed his family (all 12 kids ) so I don't want to throw it away or destroy it.

 

[skadistic]

By barrel stopped up do you mean plugged?

If so just get some Quick-crete concrete and pour it in the barrel. That will ruin it enough it can't be used again.

 

[Stevenpfo]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Would that legally make it not a firearm at that point?

I'm heading out the door right now and will look on some government sites later. My problem was that I didn't know what terminology to search for when I was looking.

 

[skadistic]

I'm pretty sure once you cement the barrel its no longer a weapon but an ornament. At least thats how it works with cannons in Maryland. But you may want to swing by or call a gun shop and ask them, they should know.

 

[Kozmos]

Take it to a gunsmith.

 

[emzie]

A gun is a tool, and your grandfather put it to good use. Don't destroy it. Get the license and get it repaired.

 

[History_Buff]

Indeed. Or do something to it that you can repair later if you want to. Perhaps if you just removed the firing pins or something, though I don't know anything about guns.

 

[LightFang]

Yeah. Don't ruin your grandfather's gun. Ask a gunsmith about how you can keep it up for display while retaining its capability to shoot things if possible while making it so that a random person can't grab the gun off the mantel and use it as a weapon. It's a sentimental thing, and, as you pointed out, he did feed his children with it.

That sounds really neat though.

 

[Stevenpfo]

I'm probably just going to cement the barrel. I understand all the stated reasons and I agree with them. I don't have the money to get a license, first of all. Plus I need to do something with it like now. It's not really registered with anyone and the RCMP know about and want to know what's happening to it. I figure this is the best way to get things done without loosing it.

 

[Bugfatty300]

BTW, sorry for your loss if your Grandpa has died. (If thats that's the case)

First of all you need to research Canadian law before you destroy a family heirloom.

As I understand, 70%+ of Canadian firearms are not registered. I imagine that unlicensed firearm owners are just as high. (So much for those dumb laws huh?)

You could easily keep the gun until you do get a license. Its not like the Canadian police are doing house to house searches for unregistered guns. At least I hope the aren't!

Anyway, I highly doubt that plugging the barrel with cement would qualify the gun as inoperable. It would be relatively easy to gouge the plug out later and make the gun usable.

Nor would taking out the firing pin.

I'm guessing there would need to be lead or metal welded into the chamber or cutting the of the receiver which would practically destroy the gun.

As I said before research Canadian law before you destroy a family heirloom.

 

[wicshade]

i would not run the inetgrity of the gun, by pluging it or refinishing it, but if it is the only way for you to be able to keep the gun then you got to do what you gota do.

i'd take it to a gun smith and se what he could do to legalize it, i don't know anything about gun laws outside of America, i have piles of guns that ive inhertited over the years.

 

[IglooDame]

BTW, sorry for your loss if your Grandpa has died. (If thats that's the case)

First of all you need to research Canadian law before you destroy a family heirloom.

As I understand, 70%+ of Canadian firearms are not registered. I imagine that unlicensed firearm owners are just as high. (So much for those dumb laws huh?)

You could easily keep the gun until you do get a license. Its not like the Canadian police are doing house to house searches for unregistered guns. At least I hope the aren't!

Anyway, I highly doubt that plugging the barrel with cement would qualify the gun as inoperable. It would be relatively easy to gouge the plug out later and make the gun usable.

Nor would taking out the firing pin.

I'm guessing there would need to be lead or metal welded into the chamber or cutting the of the receiver which would practically destroy the gun.

As I said before research Canadian law before you destroy a family heirloom.

I'm guessing "legally de-firearming" it would involve welding. It's an unusual enough request that I doubt local gunsmiths or police would be able to give you a correct answer, your best bet might be a lawyer familiar with gun issues.

As a practical matter, removing the firing pin and putting it somewhere safe or inocuous (maybe where you keep nail/screw hardware?) would render the gun safe on a practical (but not legal) level.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I'm probably just going to cement the barrel. I understand all the stated reasons and I agree with them. I don't have the money to get a license, first of all. Plus I need to do something with it like now. It's not really registered with anyone and the RCMP know about and want to know what's happening to it. I figure this is the best way to get things done without loosing it.

Hmmm the gun probably has value more then just sentimental.
if you want to render the gun inoperable permantly most gunsmith drill holes where the bullet chamber is. (IIRC)
If you want to use it as a display item and retain the value. I think the best bet would be the remove the firing pin, have it hammered so that without the correct tools it is useless as a weapon.

 

[Mulholland]

I'm probably just going to cement the barrel. I understand all the stated reasons and I agree with them. I don't have the money to get a license, first of all. Plus I need to do something with it like now. It's not really registered with anyone and the RCMP know about and want to know what's happening to it. I figure this is the best way to get things done without loosing it.

Too bad. Seeing that you are a military man, you'd think you get a free gun license.

 

[Bizon77]

If you want to use it as a display item and retain the value. I think the best bet would be the remove the firing pin, have it hammered so that without the correct tools it is useless as a weapon.

I'm fairly certain hammering the firing pin would not be considered "deactivation" and it would still be considered a firearm?

As a practical matter, removing the firing pin and putting it somewhere safe or inocuous (maybe where you keep nail/screw hardware?) would render the gun safe on a practical (but not legal) level.

Or possibl detach the barrel from the receiver and keep the two parts in separate areas of the house.WRM, what kind of gun is it Stevenpfo?

 

[Swedishguy]

You know, this thread gave me an idea. My dad's shotgun isn't being used - it's just lying there in the cellar. It oughta be used! I should practice with it in case I need it for self-defence. I mean, I live in the middle of a forest, if someone hears the shots they'll think it's hunting season!

Is this a good idea?

 

[Jawz II]

Thats kind of a shame to ruin a family heirloom like that, either get a license for it, or screw it, hide the damn thing and don't tell anybody about it.

Its not like any kids are gonna blow holes in each other while playing with it, if you have no ammunition at home.

@SG, dosent sound like a good idea.

 

[IglooDame]

I'm fairly certain hammering the firing pin would not be considered "deactivation" and it would still be considered a firearm?

That's my sense - in the US at least, the authorities would say "firing pins aren't registered, firearms are" and you'd be back to square one.

Or possibl detach the barrel from the receiver and keep the two parts in separate areas of the house.WRM, what kind of gun is it Stevenpfo?

That'd be safer, but he does want to display it on the wall.

You know, this thread gave me an idea. My dad's shotgun isn't being used - it's just lying there in the cellar. It oughta be used! I should practice with it in case I need it for self-defence. I mean, I live in the middle of a forest, if someone hears the shots they'll think it's hunting season!

Is this a good idea?

That's purely up to your dad. It's his shotgun, so it's his call.

 

[Stevenpfo]

BTW, sorry for your loss if your Grandpa has died. (If thats that's the case)

It's alright. He died a few years before I was born.

As I understand, 70%+ of Canadian firearms are not registered. I imagine that unlicensed firearm owners are just as high. (So much for those dumb laws huh?)

But my uncle did just die and (AFAIK) the RCMP has asked what's happening to his guns. I want to get everything resolved before they come a-knocking and I loose it.

It's in rough shape right now. It's got a broken pin so teh stock won't stay attached to the barrel properly. The butt has a few cracks in it. Rusted all to hell. To be honest, i'd be afraid to fire it.

Some asked what kind of rifle it is. I tried to date it but it is impossible. It is a Savage model 219 made in Utica NY. It fires .22 hornet cartridges. It has no serial number. From what i've read the Savage plant in Utica closed down in 1947. So I guess right around then...?

 

[Bugfatty300]

But my uncle did just die and (AFAIK) the RCMP has asked what's happening to his guns. I want to get everything resolved before they come a-knocking and I loose it.

Sorry about your uncle. Its crying shame that you (and many others) have to be put in this situation by idiotic gun laws. Especially considering that this is just an old .22 and not a freaking machine gun.

Maybe if you know someone personally with a firearms license then you can give the rifle to them to keep with the agreement that you'll take it back when you get a license?

It's in rough shape right now. It's got a broken pin so teh stock won't stay attached to the barrel properly. The butt has a few cracks in it. Rusted all to hell. To be honest, i'd be afraid to fire it.

Of course don't shoot it if you don't think its safe. Take it to a gunsmith first when you have a chance.

The main thing to look at is the barrel and the chamber. You can shine a light in the chamber and look down the barrel. If its smooth and shinny then it should be fine.

Also a 219 is a break-action single shot so it is most likely sturdy and very safe. As long as the barrel connects firmly with the receiver then it should shoot fine.

As for rust, cracks in the butt (tee hee hee) and the stock being loose, those are mostly aesthetic and don't really affect how the gun functions. Those sound like things that can be easily fixed by a gunsmith.

I would really make an effort to save the gun intact.