Something Different (SSE/EE Immortal)

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1100
Another trade, lets give Education to the Romans for:
Philosophy
Music
W.M.

-ni

1110
We steal Liberalism. Obviously this one is wanted because it leads to communism.

* Also, lets trade it to Isabel for:
Engineering
40g.

-ni

1120

Stole Nationalism. Now it’s time for 25% Espionage boost. Though I can’t help but notice that the end effects is always less than one would imagine.
-ni

1130
Stole Banking.
-ni

1150 Willem asks if we can convert to free-religion. Well, why NOT get the free diplo bonus. We don’t even have a religion right now anyway.
-ni

1190
Trade optics to Isabel for 300g. Man, she seems to be a weak puppy of the group just about every single game.
-ni

1200
Woohoo, another Great Spy pops!
-ni

1210
We steal Constitution. One of my favourite for this sort of strategy. +2 happiness for being a UB, and more spy points for us.

Note: And did I forget to mention, we can now finally switch to Rep?

-ni


1210
We steal Economics.

Unfortunately this kills our castles, which hurts our EP a bit. I almost consider castles to be a broken building anyway, even when trying to stall them from being obsolete so soon, they become obsolete so soon anyhow.
-ni

1300
We steal Corporation. Actually, we almost have no choice here, the AI never want to trade this tech.
-ni

1310
We steal Printing Press.
-ni

1320
Another Great Spy pops.
-ni

1330
We steal Gunpowder.
-ni


1350
Another Great Spy pops.

* Also, we make a defensive pact with Caesar. I don’t want to give him any ideas on invading me.

 

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1360
We steal chemistry.
-ni

1380
We steal Scientific method, which puts us into the Industrial Age….


Note: Again, there just wasn’t any real point to take much screen shots of anything.
-ni

EoL

 

[Gliese 581]

At least tell us what you do with the Great Spies?

 

[schwartz]

If I know obsolete, they're settled except one for SY..

 

[r_rolo1]

At least tell us what you do with the Great Spies?

Well, last time someone asked him that.....

I used him to light bulb fishing.

 

[obsolete]

Welp... the first 2 I keep as perma-specialists in my capital. I see some people advising 1 and then a SY with the second, but I don't like that move. I wait for the 3'rd one before I create the SY.

After that, it depends... If I have Jails already, then I"ll make SYs in other cities, but if they are not yet available, then I'll just absorb them into my capital/SY city.

 

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The Industrial Era…

1410
Another G-Spy pops. Time to light bulb him…

Just Kidding.

BTW, We steal communism. Time to get those courthouses up ASAP.

-ni


1460
Some sort of weird bug? I don’t understand this… What deal? I don’t see any deal, literally. Do I get any bonus points for accepting a NOTHING deal?

* I also complete the hermitage in my upper-left most city, to combat some of the culture problems I’m having there.

* We also steal replaceable parts.

 

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1480
Lets trade Communism to Isabel for Astronomy and 490g.

* We also steal Steam-Power.
-ni


1505
We steal Rifling.
-ni

1535
Another G-Spy pops in the capital.

And Augustus is 3 turns away from combustion.

* We also steal Assembly Line.
-ni

1545
We steal Fascism.

That’s a weird one, I usually ignore this but, I assume I must have had Espionage points to spare, and perhaps wanted it to combat some culture.
-ni

1570
We trade Chemistry and Replaceable parts to Isabel for:

Democracy
Theology.
85g.

Actually, I try to avoid theology all the time, so this one was a bit weird. I believe at this time I was probably debating on just wiping out Isabel as she was quite weak. That extra tech adds one more promotion, even to drafted units.
-ni

1590
Another G-Spy pops. Obviously I’m running an SE system here…

* We also steal Steel. No pun intended.

* We then trade Steam Power and Steel to Isabel for:
Physics
WM
150g

She is still pleased with us, which seems ironic as I want to BS her later. It is not that I HAVE to, I am fine with my 6 cities but, attack is fun when opponents are weak.

* More irony. I make a defense pact with Isabel too, even though I have other intentions. This is truly a very rare event that I’ve been able to get TWO defense pacts on Immortal at the same time.
-ni


1595
Ohh, FINALLY we meet Qin Shi from the other continent.
-ni

1645
And… guess who else we meet now.
Genghis Khan.
-ni

1650
We trade Assembly Line to Isabella for:
Railroad
World Map
80g.

-ni

1685
We steal Biology. Woohoo.
Time to get our NP up and running.

In the meantime, Ceasaur is 4 turns away from Industrialism. Still holding the #1 position, letting me steal one tech after another from him, while I sell them second hand to someone.
-ni

1685
Stole Combustion.

* Now, lets trade Steam Power and Biology to Catherine for Electricity and 240g.

* We also steal refrigeration. And this my friends, puts us into the MODERN AGE.
-ni

EoL

 

[obsolete]

We enter the MODERN AGE!

1705
We steal Industrialism.

And it seems.. Soon after I changed my civics to:
Rep/Nationhood/Caste/SP/Theo

Looks like I was getting serious about the war…
-ni


1750

Uh-huh, and here our attack begins! Poor Isabella.

Sorry, I just couldn’t resist.

Note: And of course we find another use for spies, besides their roles as thiefs.

 

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1770
We now roll over yet another coastal holy city from Isabel.

And look, this one was a holy city as well. With a founded Church of Nativity, but unfortunately, there is no SY.

* We pop a Great-General

Spoiler :

 

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1780
Whoops! That damned Great-Engineer Pollution! Somehow I got a 1% chance to gain one when the interface mis-managed my specialists for a turn before I caught it. And Murphie’s law, we popped one.

Now… when would you ever expect to hear anyone complain about getting an engineer pop!? I must be crazy. At least I can use him later for a gold-age or something.

-ni


1790
We roll right over a third city from Isabel (Seville) that was close to us giving us some culture issues. It was a bit hard, being on a hill, but I smashed my tanks over it anyway (keeping good choice of promotions).

Incidentally, Isabel is sending cannons vs. me… and learning the HARD way that TANKS beat Cannons!

And a peek inside shows some goodies:
Apostolic Palace
Spiral Minarret..

But unfortunately, no SY.

* Also, we then make peace, getting:
Capitulation
World Map
3g/turn

* And another Great General pops from the bloodshed.
-ni

1804
Special Event!

A Spanish something..something..something… tycoons… something.

Subtract 100g and gain +3 relations boost with Isabella.

Sure!
-ni

1834
Another Great-Spy pops.

Augustus is 2 turns away from researching computers. I cant wait to snatch that from him.
-ni

1836
We steal Radio, and then trade it to Isabella with Biology and Radio for:
Plastics
World Map
Stop trading with Augustus

And now we are all caught up to steal……..
-ni

1838
Computers!

* Time to change civics to Bureaucracy….

* Time to turn that GE into a golden-age…

* Hmm, while I did all that, seems I ALSO stole super-conductors. I guess I wanted to get my other cites prepared for the space-race sooner than later.

And of course… if you haven’t figured it out… we are building the internet.
-ni

1866
Qin and Catherine both declared war on Caesar. I guess that happened cause they figured he was weak enough when I lost my protection-pact with him. But even still, he is on the top of the list at the moment.

* BTW, last turn on the Internet. A close-up on the inside of my not-so strong fortress.

Spoiler :

 

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1876
We pop another Great-Spy.
-ni

1882
Even though we have the internet to hitch off from, we decided to steal Robotics anyway. This will be needed for the S.E. later, but also can be used NOW for mech-infantry if needed.
-ni

1884
Whoopsies. Looks like Willem just backstabbed me!

I thought he was going to just sit there and keep going after his culture victory that is never going to happen. Never thought he’d try to go after me AND my vassal.

Note: I actually got hurt a little bit, I had some tanks near my boarders out in the open and things which were not too well protected (BECAUSE I DIDN’T THINK HE WOULD ATTACK!). But it’s still fine. Because the idiot DID attack my border city which had the bulk of my huge army from vs. Isabella parked in it. What a slaughter I gave him.

* And even during this new blood-shed, I go off and steal Satellites.

Now, wouldn’t it be nice if I could just build the friggen space-elevator in peace? This war sure could have waited for better timing!
-ni

1888
Another Great-General pops. And I am off moping up Willems ********-obsolete units he keeps cranking out. What a disastrous blunder on HIS parts. The only sad thing is, my vassal seems to be pretty useless in this war.

* And… We steal Composites! All the while my capital is just trying to finish off the Apollo station lol.

* We also steal Advanced flight, which is also weird because I never care much for it. Though I guess I wanted to use choppers at this point.
-ni

1894
And lookie here… Willem thinks he is going to pull off Cultural Vic JUST IN CASE his botched-up war effort doesn’t work.

Looks good compared to an AI’s perspective…

Two cities already at legendary, with The Hague very close to its finish.

Except for one thing… We ended up capturing The Hague on this turn!

Note: I was tempted on razing it, but I just couldn’t bare it after seeing the spoils of war:

The Eiffel Tower
The SoL

Spoiler :

 

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1898
We capture another city… and gain:
The Kashi Vish.
Scotland Yard!
RocknRoll
The United Nations.
S. Paya.

1 G.Eng
1 G.Sci

Note: I was very tempted to raz this one just to get rid of the pesky UN, but alas… I didn’t want to lose the RocknRoll and some of the other goodies.

-ni

1900
We captured Amsterdamn.
-ni

1903
We capture Middelburg.

This cleans up some of the culture pressure I was getting. And then… we make a deal for:

Capitulation
City of Utrecht
World Map
380g.
5g/turn

 

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1907
Another Great Spy Pops.
-ni

1915
Yet another Great Spy Pops.
-ni

1919
We gain Stealth.
I can’t remember if I stole this one too, or if it came through the internet.
-ni

But this propels us into… the Future Era!

EoL

 

[UncleJJ]

Keep going, I want to see if you can steal future techs as well ... just to maximise your score

 

[Gliese 581]

What if Willem had culture bombed The Hague? But I suppose you had visibility in all his cities.

 

[Johnpecan]

I forget if you mentioned somewhere in the thread, but what kind EP ratios were you using? All for the tech leader or some variation?

I'm also surprised you got Caesar to Friendly, only -1 penalty because of caught spies? Weren't you stealing most techs from him? Normally I am at -2 or -3 relations because of caught spies. How was it only -1?

 

[DMOC]

I have a question-you said you first focused EP on Willem, but later it seems that you are switching to focus your EP on Augustus. Wouldn't it take a lot of espionage to steal techs from an opponent when you focused on another opponent from the beginning of the game?

Oh yes, and can we see the Espionage Advisor? I am kind of confused so that may help.

 

[Bhruic]

I have a question-you said you first focused EP on Willem, but later it seems that you are switching to focus your EP on Augustus. Wouldn't it take a lot of espionage to steal techs from an opponent when you focused on another opponent from the beginning of the game?

This is a common misconception. When calculating the cost, it's not the EPs vs that particular AI, it's the total EPs that you've produced. As long as you are producing them faster than they are, you'll have a better percentage, and hence a lower cost.

Bh

 

[obsolete]

Keep going, I want to see if you can steal future techs as well ...

Unfortunately, no. I’ve tried that.

Also, what sucks is that the internet also doesn’t seem to award you free future-techs as well. Dam…


Maybe we could ask Bhruic to fix that as well?

What if Willem had culture bombed The Hague? But I suppose you had visibility in all his cities.

He would only get what… 2K of culture if he bombed? Still no key to victory for him.

And no, I didn’t have any visibility in all his cities.

I'm also surprised you got Caesar to Friendly, only -1 penalty because of caught spies? Weren't you stealing most techs from him? Normally I am at -2 or -3 relations because of caught spies. How was it only -1?

I believe, you are talking about a older shot when, I had mostly taken techs from Willem, and had only recently started to take them from Caesar.

I have a question-you said you first focused EP on Willem, but later it seems that you are switching to focus your EP on Augustus.

Yes, Willem gave up the tech race and decided to spend all his monies on culture for his culture victory. So I knew from the start I was going to have to switch at some point.

Oh yes, and can we see the Espionage Advisor? I am kind of confused so that may help.

It looks like this…

Augustus has weight set at 1, everyone else at 0.

Step 1. Wait for massive points to accumulate
Step 2. Use points to steal tech.
Step 3. Go back to step 1.