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France's inner color is white or off-white. Venice's should be a golden yellow, distinguishable from white.
[Speculation] Italian States/Papal States/Venice
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Going from colors, what do you think would be a fitting leader for Venice or Italy?
I would say for a Italy, it would have to be Victor Emmanuel II, since he was the one who unified Italy under his rule.
For Venice, it would be a bit more difficult, in my opinion, because there is several doges that achieved great things, but I think one of the most important ones was Agostino Bargarigo, whose initiative drove France out of Italy. He also expanded Venice's territory into the Romagna and Cyprus.
I would say for a Italy, it would have to be Victor Emmanuel II, since he was the one who unified Italy under his rule.
For Venice, it would be a bit more difficult, in my opinion, because there is several doges that achieved great things, but I think one of the most important ones was Agostino Bargarigo, whose initiative drove France out of Italy. He also expanded Venice's territory into the Romagna and Cyprus.
It's a yellowish cream IMHO, the exact color is this: http://www.colorhexa.com/ebeb8b. It may be confusing at quick glances, imagine a war with both French and Venetian troops involved, it'd be confusing for gameplay. We've a bit more leeway since it's turn-based strategy, but there should still be more distinction...
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If they go for Italy instead of Venice, it might be possible they go for Matilda of Tuscany to have one more woman in the list. Yes, she didn't rule Italy (as there was no Italy to speak of), but it wouldn't be the last time Firaxis streched out in order to have more women as representatives of their civilizations. The likelihood goes up if they decide to make Italy go the way of Germany (so Matilda of Tuscany with a Renaissance UA and maybe one modern UU or something like that). 
For Venice, I have no idea, as I don't know much about them, but there have been a few Venice mods here and there. This particular one has Enrico Dandolo as the leader, but I have no idea of his accomplishments or whatever - so someone else should make a more educated guess.
And, of course, sukritact's April Fools prank is always a possibility as well!
For Venice, I have no idea, as I don't know much about them, but there have been a few Venice mods here and there. This particular one has Enrico Dandolo as the leader, but I have no idea of his accomplishments or whatever - so someone else should make a more educated guess.
And, of course, sukritact's April Fools prank is always a possibility as well!
cybrxkhan
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Personally I would want Enrico Dandolo. A fascinating character in his own right, and the bloke who, at 90 years of age and blind (mind you, this is the medieval era we're talking about), managed to divert a Crusader army to ransack Constantniople and completely screw over the Byzantine Empire, FOR PROFIT.
(Okay, obviously that's a simplification of what happened, but it makes a good narrative. Imagine the diploscreen where you have a cool old blind dude conniving behind your back or something.)
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I think that Venice's height of expansion was in the 1400s. I'm not sure under which Doge. I nominate Tommaso Mocenigo because of the large amount of naval conquest during his rule.
Also, just from looking at Wikipedia's list of Doges, I'd have to say that is a hazardous occupation. A lot were assassinated or dragged out of office by angry mobs.
Also, just from looking at Wikipedia's list of Doges, I'd have to say that is a hazardous occupation. A lot were assassinated or dragged out of office by angry mobs.
He'd be staring blankly at nothing. Disturbing if they do it badly, brilliant if they did it well.
cybrxkhan
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Well, I think it'd still be disturbing if they did it well.
Imagine... he's blind. But he knows what you're doing and he planning to backstab you and completely screw you over in a mere matter of seconds... He can't see you, but he knows you're there, and he knows that you know that he knows that you know...
For some reason I always pictured Enrico Dandolo as some sort of evil genius.
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Personally I would want Enrico Dandolo. A fascinating character in his own right, and the bloke who, at 90 years of age and blind (mind you, this is the medieval era we're talking about), managed to divert a Crusader army to ransack Constantniople and completely screw over the Byzantine Empire, FOR PROFIT.
Ah yes! It's late, forgive my ignorance. Enrico Dandolo indeed would seem like the most logical choice. He is probably the best-known doge, and very significant in his own right, although he wasn't really one who made big accomplishments for the Serenissima.
Oh yes. Most doges reigned for 1-3 years at most. It was a pretty dangerous office to claim. There's a reason Italy's city states, and in particular Venice, are associated with deception, assassination and espionage.
Louis XXIV
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Personally I would want Enrico Dandolo. A fascinating character in his own right, and the bloke who, at 90 years of age and blind (mind you, this is the medieval era we're talking about), managed to divert a Crusader army to ransack Constantniople and completely screw over the Byzantine Empire, FOR PROFIT.
Yeah, a blind Enrico Dandalo would be my preferred option. His backstab number should be through the roof, but he should otherwise be pro-trade.
Bonci
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Francesco Foscari could also be a good option.
But I'd still prefer Dandolo for the intrinsic awesomeness
But I'd still prefer Dandolo for the intrinsic awesomeness
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Yeah, Foscari is fine, he's just not as cool.
Even though Italy/Venice is not in the list of Civilizations I would personally want, I agree there are a lot of arguments for it's inclusion. Italy or it's cities have many relevant deeds after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
I can see it's abilities being focused on a lot of things, like trade, great artists, archeology, culture or maybe even something related to the immigration.
Italian immigration is probably the biggest and most famous immigration process, they have large communities in many places, like US, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Australia and other countries, spreading Italy's unique culture throughout the whole world. No idea how this would be represented in game though, maybe enhancing cultural pressure in countries with similar ideology.
I can see it's abilities being focused on a lot of things, like trade, great artists, archeology, culture or maybe even something related to the immigration.
Italian immigration is probably the biggest and most famous immigration process, they have large communities in many places, like US, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Australia and other countries, spreading Italy's unique culture throughout the whole world. No idea how this would be represented in game though, maybe enhancing cultural pressure in countries with similar ideology.
meowschwitz
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Had an idea for a tourism/trade setup for potential Italy civ. Would like some input; but I think there is a lot of synergy here.
UA: (Needs a name) Each copy of a luxury resource exported gives +1 Great Artist and tourism in your capital and +3 after the Renaissance era.
UB: Glassmaker- replaces workshop, supplies one source of Venetian glass.
UU: Renaissance Man (maybe should be called something else)- replaces great artist, can build any great tile improvement alongside usual abilities.
UA: (Needs a name) Each copy of a luxury resource exported gives +1 Great Artist and tourism in your capital and +3 after the Renaissance era.
UB: Glassmaker- replaces workshop, supplies one source of Venetian glass.
UU: Renaissance Man (maybe should be called something else)- replaces great artist, can build any great tile improvement alongside usual abilities.
I like the UB and UU a lot, cool!
Also I belive there's a World Congress proposition that enhances Great Improvements, so that would be a good strategy for Italy.
But I would like a combat unit for them, so maybe I would remove the UU to be actually the unique ability, so Italian great artists could build all great improvements, and give them an bersaglieri combat unit.
So..
UA: Men of Renaissance: Italian Great artists can create all great tile improvements. During Renaissance era Great artists are generated 25% faster
UB: Glassmaker- replaces workshop, supplies one source of Venetian glass.
UU: Alpini? Bersaglieri? Or the crossbowman with shield that someone had as an idea.
meowschwitz
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I did think that it might be strange to not have a true UU as they'd be the only civ without one. However I feel like the UB isn't nearly as good here without the UA. They'd use the glass trade to boost tourism and Renaissance Men production which add a lot of versatility. Is there a rule that there has to be a combat UU? I guess it's moments like these that I want a third unique.
Bonci
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I had a similar idea for the UU
Mind it was a mod for vanilla civ5, so it does not use the new mechanics.
I think that a non-combat UU for Italy would be fitting, and very unique!
Besides, I just found my old mod for vanilla civ5:
It had Italy with Garibaldi as the leader.
The trait was "Renaissance communes" that was giving -25% culture needed to unlock social policies and +50% culture required for border expansion.
UU was the "Humanist", who was a great artist replacement and could also bulb a tecnology like the great scientist.
UB was the "Piazza" which replaced the circus, didn't require horses and increased GP generation by 15%.
Originally it had the "Alpino" as a UU, with mobility and bonus combat on rough terrain (do not remember the name...drill?), but I felt it was not enough unique in the end.
Probably not really balanced, but it offered a fun gameplay
Mind it was a mod for vanilla civ5, so it does not use the new mechanics.
I think that a non-combat UU for Italy would be fitting, and very unique!
meowschwitz
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Yeah, I wanted to represent the great people and the mercantile skill and have them feed into each other and amp up after/during the Renaissance era.
Also, that civ looks extremely powerful in vanilla. I think playing without a combat UU would be fun because you'd have to constantly fight off warmongers with basic troops while trying to trade with the enemies of your enemies.
Also, that civ looks extremely powerful in vanilla. I think playing without a combat UU would be fun because you'd have to constantly fight off warmongers with basic troops while trying to trade with the enemies of your enemies.
