Stairway to Heaven

[Dreadnought]

Vote: SamSniped

 

[classical_hero]

vote:SamSniped

 

[Takhisis]

Fook it, vote: Verarde you're too quiet and relaxed.

 

[choxorn]

For reference, here's every post BSmith has made, with a little bit of analysis from me:

Spoiler BSmith's Posts :

Is there any question that Verarde should get my vote?

Verarde and BSmith being Verarde and BSmith. A Null Tell.

I’m willing to bet that there are some scum hiding in the Takhisis lynch, like SamSniped.

His Day Two vote, accusing the scum of bandwagoning Takhisis on Day One.

This is a lazy vote if I have ever seen one. It sounds just good enough to get past the “no reason” reaction you might get for it, but totally relies on the meta-game.

There are valid reasons to be voting for Double A – like the fact that he has been in the bandwagon that lynched innocent townies both days or that he his posting marginally spammy posts, but isn’t voting – but citing something like this is just lazy.

SouthernKing

Going after SouthernKing for Voting Double A for a silly reason. Also a lazy vote.

One of these days Verarde and I will end up on the same scum team. It will be an interesting time for both of us.

Responding to topsecret joking that Verarde and BSmith would never vote for the same person.

As tempted as I am to vote for Verarde myself , I think that votes on him solely for the reason that he voted the same way as me are a little ridiculous.

Saying that people voting for Verarde for the above reason is ridiculous.

Might as well vote: Civcube.

Way back on Day 4 when some people decided to vote CivCube for the mess the previous day. A lazy bandwagon vote if there ever was one.

This post still sticks out to me. Something is off with it. Why put in the “fellow townies” bit?

vote: Skwink

He calls out Skwink for acting scummy, and makes the vote that ignites the failwagon on him.

Robbiecon's defense doesn't particularly speak well for him. vote: Robbiecon

While voting for robbiecon about halfway through Day 6 speaks for his townieness, he did it when robbiecon already had a 5-2 lead in the voting and the wagon was showing no signs of slowing down. He could easily have been bussing.

Yes, I think that vote: MartinLuther is a good alternative to Dave. And if either one does indeed show up as cult, we know where to go next.

Joining the MartinWagon the Cult had going. To be fair, he was right that there were more votes for DaveShack at that point.

Don’t you think I’d be more careful than that?

I think that this is a very important update that has been overlooked:



This shows the true danger of the cult, as they were able to kill at night. It appears that there were two cultists involved in the killing of Kennigit, one of them as we know was Dreadnought - a leader of the cult. The other is unknown, but could very likely be JHT, cult head honcho Lucifer. Hopefully this means that the cult is currently unable to kill, as both Dreadnought and JHT are now dead, but we do need to focus on the faction that can both recruit and potentially kill. Martin is looking like a good candidate for the final Mafia, so hopefully he can help us to kill cult suspects at night. As we get closer to the end game, we can deal with him, but for now he is necessary in helping us to eliminate the greater threat to the town – the cult.

I voted for Martin earlier for a couple of reasons – I wanted to give DaveShack some space to make a case for his survival. A rather large wagon was developing on him at the time and I didn’t want it to get too out of hand. Unfortunately for him he hasn’t really done all that much to clear himself. Second, and more importantly, my vote made Martin’s lynch much more possible, and probably encouraged other cult members that may have been on the fence to come out of the woodwork and to vote for Martin to push him over the edge. Well, there are plenty of suspects now on record voting for Martin, and I feel it is time for me to change my vote to the likely cult member who is more of a risk at this time than Martin. unvote; vote: DaveShack

Current living voters for Martin: Buddha, Xenoneb, wideye, Auto

Explaining his reasoning and switching to DaveShack. Simultaneously very not scummy, due to the massive risks involved, and very scummy, due to the epic backtracking and him certainly not being a cultist.

Time for some thread analysis of yesterday's voting:



I think Ninja put this correctly when he said that this sounded like Buddha trying to push the alternative lynch to DaveShack. This is also an early vote for MartinLuther. An attempt to hide in the front of a hoped for wagon.



More support for his cult-buddy.



Unusually focused on who the mafia are. It’s almost like he is more afraid of them than the cult.



Pushing the “Martin is Mafia, let’s lynch him instead” line pretty hard.



Going into overdrive with suggesting that Martin is the last mafia. Goes quiet after this point, even though there are several more pages of discussion over quite a long RL timeframe. Perhaps he feels he is sticking his neck out too far.

After the DaveShack lynch, where we learn that he was a Cult Leader we get this:



I think it is pretty clear that we need to vote: Buddhafish today.

Let’s not forget about wideye and auto though. It could do them some good to speak up.

Pushes a case that everyone was certainly going to agree with anyway. Not a completely lazy vote, but not a particularly dangerous one.

Vote: MartinLuther

Lazy vote alert.

Can someone remind me what the case on Mat is again?

Correctly pointing out that there's no reason to kill Mat, but there was no reason to kill Martin, either.

Vote: SamSniped His vote for Mat without any explanation in the midst of other votes for mat (albeit from dead people, mainly cult) reeks of someone trying to hide in the crowd. The fact that he hasn’t contributed since is also noteworthy.



This is also an interesting post. Accusing someone of doing the exact same thing one is doing themselves… Unless of course you are just trying to come up with a reason to vote for someone, but don’t want to jump on the current wagon.



I’ve noticed the same thing.

Going after SamSniped, and accussing mgs and Visor at the same time.

Also, following ATPG's Mafia ESP Theory, that Mafia vote for people who tend to die, BSmith's end-of-day votes are, in order, Verarde, SamSniped, SouthernKing, CivCube, Skwink, robbiecon, DaveShack, Buddhafish, MartinLuther, and SamSniped. So he was on the vote of the person who got lynched every single day from Days 4-9 and He voted for someone who died the following night on Day 3. He has, admittedly, voted the other three times for players who are still alive, but Day 1 Votes hardly ever conform to this theory, and Day 2 Votes also don't conform to it much. As to SamSniped, he lives because he's scummy, why would BSmith kill him at night?

And every post SamSniped has made:

Spoiler SamSniped's Posts :

I'm flattered
vote: askthepizzaguz because of your insanity, which makes you Mafia

A silly day One Vote.

Unvote, vote: Takhisis, who has a good point on ATPG, but threatened to kill me pre-game.

Fixed (I forgot to put it in bold.

OK. Unvote, Vote Takhisis for previously stated reasons.

There you go.

I put all of these together. SamSniped votes Takhisis, for some reason, failes to bold it, and tries to several times. Then when he succeeds, he posts "There you go." with a quote after Takhisis asked him for his reasons.

Vote: JoanK because he got the quote wrong-it is "What is dead may never die."

Voting JoanK for silly reasons.

Vote: CivCube because it is possible to be online when an update is posted...

Calling out CivCube for the reasoning of his vote on JoanK.

I'm not a lurker? I haven't posted much because of school and RL,which take up a lot of time. Thankfully school ends for me on the 19th, so I will have more spare time.
My vote was because of CivCube's logic (and that logic was that posting right after the vote equals being suspicious or something similar). I think that CivCube either seems to want to get rid of JoanK for some reason other than what was next to his post, was being lazy, or really does think that way (in which case I want him to know that it's possible to be online when an update is posted).

Dreadnought accused him fo being a lurker, and he responded with this.

I will keep with yesterday's events and Vote: CivCube

Lazy Vote on CivCube.

He's DEAD.

JoanK attempted to vote for Takhisis, who had been dead for a while. SamSniped pointed it out.

Will the real lurkers please stand up? Unvote; Vote: God Emperor

Oh well. I would rather not just be pointlessly adding to an already sure lynch, honestly.

Exiting the CivCube wagon to vote for the extreme lurker GodEmperor. An Extremely Lazy Vote.

Vote: Skwink because he's lurking.

Sorry, he was lurking.

An even lazier vote, joining the massive Skwinkwagon.

...lolwut?

Responding to Mat's unexplained vote on him On Day 6.

I'll abstain this time...

And not voting at all on Day 6.

Vote: DaveShack for the case already presented.

Also Lazy, even if Dave was cult.

Do you know how fricking anoying it is to find exact posts when the server is being laggy, NC? Fine, here you go-

Responding to NinjaCow's annoying singing.

You didn't say Vote in front of it

Saying that Kennigit didn't Vote: DaveShack, just bolded DaveShack, thinking that Kennigit actually had to.

! We got one!

Posts like these are always scummy as all hell.

Wouldn't it be cultdars? Just wondering.
Also, FoS: Zack for changing to Fry. As JHT said, Why not (V)(;,,;)(V)?

Fluff.

*Finds some tea and a really bad Native American costume, and goes down to the closest dock*

More Fluff.

I will vote: wideyedwanderer. As usual, someone beat me to presenting a reason/case. Long story short, though, I usually don't trust replacements in any game.

Before we'd settled on Buddhafish, he went after wideyed on Day 8.

Unvote, Vote: Mat93. Not much to think about, really. If Buddha's right, and not lying, good! If Buddha is lying, we just lynch him tomorrow.

So Scummy he almost has to be townie. He can't be cult, and I don't see why he'd do something like this if he was mafia; it greatly increases the chances he dies the following day if there's more than one cultist left. Unless, of course, the Mafia and Cult somehow learned each others' identities at that point.

@VisorSlash-Why the hate?

Visorslash was being his usual "Everyone is Guilty until proven Innocent" self, and Sam responded with this.

Vote: Mat93

LAAAAAAAAZY.

It's noteworthy that I only go on CFC once or twice a day normally? Lovely. Also, since I really have no idea who to vote for since I lack the experience of most people playing here, and that I have no leads at all, I'm being a

Response to BSmith's accusation.

All according to the prophecy?

More Fluff.

I'll vote:wideyedwanderer. I'm truly suspicious of him at the moment.

Voting for an uberlurker. LAAAAAAAZY.

SamSniped does slightly better than BSmith with not having Mafia ESP, but that's because he didn't vote twice. His Votes: Takhisis, JoanK, CivCube, God Emperor, Skwink, Abstain, DaveShack, Mat93, None, Mat93. That's 4 who died that day (although Day 1 is a little weird), 1 who was lynched the following day, 1 who was about to be WoG'ed, and two who died a few days later. And he makes plenty of lazy votes and fluff.

TL;DR: Conclusion: They're both pretty scummy, for different reasons. BSmith is hiding in the shadows, often on the wagon of whoever gets lynched, and sometimes trying to appear townie without actually doing much to appear townie. SamSniped posts massive amounts of fluff and lazy votes, and also votes for people who die a lot.

If they were both players with the same level of experience, I'd say it's BSmith, since SamSniped has done some things that any experienced mafia would know not to do. But SamSniped isn't an experienced mafia, is he?

It could easily be either one of them.

 

[SamSniped]

I'm not experienced at all Seriously, though, I have good common sense, and if I was scum, I would probably play carefully. Lynch/OMGUS me if you want, but trust me when I say you will be wrong. And probably die for it, because of the scum.

 

[johnhughthom]

I'm not experienced at all

Keep practicing with that tongue and you'll be experienced in no time.

 

[SamSniped]

I see what you did there, good sir. Althouh I won't continue the discussion, as I don't want to seem like a pervert

 

[johnhughthom]

Vote: wideyedwanderer

I hope it's Sam though, as he's the only one that's posted more than once per phase.

 

[choxorn]

You have just gained several scumminess points through WIFOM and Excessive Smilie Syndrome.

 

[dragonprobably]

After reading choxorn's wall of text. I change my vote. Unvote; Vote: BSmith for ESP abilities.

 

[dragonprobably]

I forgot, I'm dead. Nevermind.

 

[johnhughthom]

Yep, kinda ironic most of the dead cult can mess up the voting with their votes, but good solid townies don't get a say....

 

[SamSniped]

Like me! I have no clue what the **** I'm doing now that most of the scumhunters are dead, and I have a full vote!

 

[dragonprobably]

Here's an idea. VOTE FOR BSMITH!!!

 

[SamSniped]

As you wish, my master
Unvote, Vote: BSmith

 

[topsecret]

As you wish, my master
Unvote, Vote: BSmith

Yeah, it's BSmith or you, and you wouldn't want to vote yourself...

 

[Zack]

BSmith: 1.5 (Buddhafish, SamSniped)

SamSniped: 1 (Dreadnought, classical_hero)

Verarde: 0.5 (Takhisis)
wideyedwanderer: 0.5 (johnhughthom)


Not Voting: 3, 5 (BSmith, Verarde, wideyedwanderer; CivCube, dcmort93, JoanK, Kennigit, Mergle)

 

[Buddhafish]

Unvote; Vote:SamSniped

He's pulling the noob card again, gaining townie points, and I really don't like it at this point.

He's not going to slide through to victory like this if I have something to say about it.

 

[johnhughthom]

He is if I have something to say about it.

Unvote; Vote:BSmith

 

[Zack]

BSmith: 1.5 (SamSniped, johnhughthom)

SamSniped: 1.5 (Dreadnought, classical_hero, Buddhafish)

Verarde: 0.5 (Takhisis)


Not Voting: 3, 5 (BSmith, Verarde, wideyedwanderer; CivCube, dcmort93, JoanK, Kennigit, Mergle)