State of the Union

[Txurce]

Myself, I'm not a massive fan on how quickly the AI declares certain trade items "impossible". I understand it's required to some degree to keep humans from gaming the AI, but it's to the point that certain diplo options have been basically removed to the player. Speaking of, what ever happened to the player challenging the AI troop build up? I don't see that option any more.

It was brought up earlier in the thread, but the AI still way over values paper.

My sense is that luxuries are sometimes "impossible" if the AI only has one, and that the AI considers any gpt that would leave him with +1gpt or less as "impossible." Makes sense to me, and that's it. I'm not sure what meaningful options I've lost as a result.

Paper's interesting. They usually overvalue it, but the amount varies greatly.

 

[Zanteogo]

My sense is that luxuries are sometimes "impossible" if the AI only has one, and that the AI considers any gpt that would leave him with +1gpt or less as "impossible." Makes sense to me, and that's it. I'm not sure what meaningful options I've lost as a result.

Paper's interesting. They usually overvalue it, but the amount varies greatly.

Defensive packs, city trading, vassalage, bribe to war, bribe to peace (other than city states) all impossible 95% of the time.

 

[Txurce]

Defensive packs, city trading, vassalage, bribe to war, bribe to peace (other than city states) all impossible 95% of the time.

I don't know that vassalage is "impossible" too much. I have a pretty good sense of how to get it. You can sell back cities, but city trading probably doesn't belong in the game. And bribing for war or peace seems broken -- even with scores over 75, I can't even make the offer, let alone be told it's impossible.

 

[peterw1987]

Greece is one of the civ that consistenly overvalue their luxuries. Even if you are friendly with him,and he has multiple copies of it,the luxury trade value from him is still 1000++.

While korea and inca on the other hand, willing to trade for luxuries at a very low rate. 1 GPT for luxuries.

Dunno if this is bug or intended.

 

[Txurce]

Greece is one of the civ that consistenly overvalue their luxuries. Even if you are friendly with him,and he has multiple copies of it,the luxury trade value from him is still 1000++.

While korea and inca on the other hand, willing to trade for luxuries at a very low rate. 1 GPT for luxuries.

Dunno if this is bug or intended.

Gazebo, what are the reasons a civ may ask for over 1K g for a luxury, apart from hating you?

 

[ElliotS]

I don't know that vassalage is "impossible" too much. I have a pretty good sense of how to get it. You can sell back cities, but city trading probably doesn't belong in the game. And bribing for war or peace seems broken -- even with scores over 75, I can't even make the offer, let alone be told it's impossible.

Here are things I've done:

• Gotten Vassalage diplomatically. (No war.)
• Sold cities that they never owned. (City state I took, then one from another nation. Both about to be taken back mid war and I got a tech and more out of it. )
• Gotten defensive pacts that I offed accepted.
• Bribed to peace

I've never bribed to war, but I almost never both trying so that's likely why. This is all on Immortal and Deity too, so it's going to be possible on all difficulties.

 

[Txurce]

I play with tech trading turned off, so that's one advantage I don't have. But how do you ever bribe for peace? I click on players/peace, scroll down the list... and they're grayed out.

 

[peterw1987]

I play with tech trading turned off, so that's one advantage I don't have. But how do you ever bribe for peace? I click on players/peace, scroll down the list... and they're grayed out.

Tech trading also seems broken to me. It is easily exploitable. I turn it off in all my latest games.

 

[Gazebo]

I play with tech trading turned off, so that's one advantage I don't have. But how do you ever bribe for peace? I click on players/peace, scroll down the list... and they're grayed out.

Tooltip should say. You need embassies with them, and vice-versa.

G

 

[ashendashin]

Tech trading also seems broken to me. It is easily exploitable. I turn it off in all my latest games.

Techs are a high value trade that should never be off the table. But there really should be some strict requirements for it, such as involving World Congress somehow or research agreements if they can be mixed. It's really just instant gold and vassal upgrades for a feature that can be so much more involved. I doubt anyone can say it's not broken right now. But then again, it might be more balanced on 8 civs and below.

 

[Txurce]

Techs are a high value trade that should never be off the table. But there really should be some strict requirements for it, such as involving World Congress somehow or research agreements if they can be mixed. It's really just instant gold and vassal upgrades for a feature that can be so much more involved. I doubt anyone can say it's not broken right now. But then again, it might be more balanced on 8 civs and below.

I used it back when I started with VP and was losing regularly on Emperor, but it felt cheap. The same goes for brokering, only more so. But they're optional, so it's not a problem.

 

[Infixo]

Seems that its been corrected. In my current game I was able to buy paper for 400-500. Also able to change 1 lux for 2 papers. At the same other other civ valued it at 2000+.

 

[Txurce]

Seems that its been corrected. In my current game I was able to buy paper for 400-500. Also able to change 1 lux for 2 papers. At the same other other civ valued it at 2000+.

Yeah, I've had the same experience. Gazebo has definitely liberalized these areas.