Oruc
Reactionary
Nope!
staznes- From the Dawn of Time
- Thread starter Azale
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china444
Ain't no thang
MICHQUELASK (hurried orders)
-Send 3/4 of navy into Europe to guard alies coasts.
-Increase the economy by building roads and such
-Send 3/4 of navy into Europe to guard alies coasts.
-Increase the economy by building roads and such
amirsan
King of all Kings
Additional Orders from Maya:
-Make trades with anyone who agrees.
-Make trades with anyone who agrees.
Angelscotboi
Emperor
The Twin Kingdoms
After many years acting as Regent, Isabella stepped down and let her now much more mature nephew Kalane assume the High Kingship of the Twin Kingdoms.
His first act as High King was to confirm Isabella as continued Monarch of the West Kingdom, and to appoint his aunts cousin, Lord Arasi as Monarch of the East.
Theoretically this meant that the High King ruled over the whole nation and gave devolved powers to the Queen of the West and King of the East; but in reality the bastard son of the late High king Ribb-Addi was little more than a figurehead acting under the direction of Queen Isabella and King Arasi.
Diplomacy=
From: High King Kalane
To: Rossiya
Peace has been made with Golden Horde; they have learned their lesson...and now the Golden Horde border shall be two whole nations away.
To: FNA
Does the FNA Make peace with the Kingdoms as part of this accord or does the state of war still exist?
If a state of war still exists then know that you have just dragged fledgling Germany into it.
To: German Rebellion
This peace agreement does not appear to include the Twin Kingdoms of Pheonicia; in which case we must inform you that your alliance with the FNA means our war with them extends to you by proxy.
To: Netherlands
We demand you furnish the Twin Kingdoms with 1000 troops; otherwise we will continue to prosecute this war with you.
To: France
We demand you surrender the Navarra, Guyenne, and Provence regions of Gaul to us otherwise we will continue and take them by force, and much more in a post war treaty.
To: Pacifica
With peace our priorities have changed; Pheonician troops march to France.
To: Sicily
We humbly ask our loyal friends and allies in Palmero to send us aid in the form of the mighty Sicilian army into France.
Also we ask that you prepare your allies in Africa for widespread war.
To: Assyria
For the first time in history Assyrian troops did not battle alongside Pheonician troops in the war with the Golden Horde.
Our ears within Assyria tell us your troops were not happy about that as for the ages Pheonician and Assyrian troops have ALWAYS fought and trained together.
They would be pleased to know then that we would like them to join their friends in war once more, if you would send them to France with us we would be grateful.
To: Greece
Defend your borders good Republic of Greece.
Prepare your armies good friends in Greece.
For it is to war the combined armies of the Near East go.
To: Eithiopia
Did you recieve our aid? Did you put it to good use?
Are your armies ready?
For it is now they are called, now that you are called.
War has come to the alliance, let us go into it together, united. Send your troops to join ours, the Assyrians, and Greeks in our combined joint assault into the Frankish nations of France and the Netherlands.
After many years acting as Regent, Isabella stepped down and let her now much more mature nephew Kalane assume the High Kingship of the Twin Kingdoms.
His first act as High King was to confirm Isabella as continued Monarch of the West Kingdom, and to appoint his aunts cousin, Lord Arasi as Monarch of the East.
Theoretically this meant that the High King ruled over the whole nation and gave devolved powers to the Queen of the West and King of the East; but in reality the bastard son of the late High king Ribb-Addi was little more than a figurehead acting under the direction of Queen Isabella and King Arasi.
Diplomacy=
From: High King Kalane
To: Rossiya
Peace has been made with Golden Horde; they have learned their lesson...and now the Golden Horde border shall be two whole nations away.
To: FNA
Does the FNA Make peace with the Kingdoms as part of this accord or does the state of war still exist?
If a state of war still exists then know that you have just dragged fledgling Germany into it.
To: German Rebellion
This peace agreement does not appear to include the Twin Kingdoms of Pheonicia; in which case we must inform you that your alliance with the FNA means our war with them extends to you by proxy.
To: Netherlands
We demand you furnish the Twin Kingdoms with 1000 troops; otherwise we will continue to prosecute this war with you.
To: France
We demand you surrender the Navarra, Guyenne, and Provence regions of Gaul to us otherwise we will continue and take them by force, and much more in a post war treaty.
To: Pacifica
With peace our priorities have changed; Pheonician troops march to France.
To: Sicily
We humbly ask our loyal friends and allies in Palmero to send us aid in the form of the mighty Sicilian army into France.
Also we ask that you prepare your allies in Africa for widespread war.
To: Assyria
For the first time in history Assyrian troops did not battle alongside Pheonician troops in the war with the Golden Horde.
Our ears within Assyria tell us your troops were not happy about that as for the ages Pheonician and Assyrian troops have ALWAYS fought and trained together.
They would be pleased to know then that we would like them to join their friends in war once more, if you would send them to France with us we would be grateful.
To: Greece
Defend your borders good Republic of Greece.
Prepare your armies good friends in Greece.
For it is to war the combined armies of the Near East go.
To: Eithiopia
Did you recieve our aid? Did you put it to good use?
Are your armies ready?
For it is now they are called, now that you are called.
War has come to the alliance, let us go into it together, united. Send your troops to join ours, the Assyrians, and Greeks in our combined joint assault into the Frankish nations of France and the Netherlands.
To: Twin Kingdoms
From: Republic of Germany
If our allies continue this war then we shall do our best to help them, however little it may be that we can do. If they don't then as you said our nations will go foward in peace.
From: Republic of Germany
If our allies continue this war then we shall do our best to help them, however little it may be that we can do. If they don't then as you said our nations will go foward in peace.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
Just hurry up and stop making excuses.
naervod
My current user title
You shouldn't be the one to talk sheep. 
Kamilian
Deity
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OOC: bullsh*t, EQ. this sux ass. traitor im not gonna trust you no more
Additional Story
Emperor Joseph IV signed the Treaty of St. Petersburg (I named this treaty - this treaty is the one with Rossiya) and the Treaty of London. Both treaties were quite humiliating and there were strong voices of opposition, calling the treaties unfair and declaring that they were designed to cripple Poland forever. However, Joseph reassured them that while for now, Poland's power would be only a shadow of its former glory, it would not be forever - eventually, strength will be restored and the Imperium will once again be respected by the other nations of Europe. Now, however, Poland was a defensive ally of FNA and Rossiya, but more importantly, it was still a part of the Grand Eastern European Alliance (Greece, Yalta, Finland, Poland), even after its members were almost ripped apart and destroyed.
Reconstruction would be long, hard, and difficult. Religious freedom was restored, although there were more people converting to Christianity - even w/o the army to force conversions.
Poland had been badly wounded, but the worst injury came from Germany. Although Poland recognized its restored sovereignty and an alliance was forming with the new Germany, the Germans accused the Polish Imperium of constantly mistreating them. On the contrary - when the first German Republic surrendered, it ordered the people to burn their farms and crops and buildings. Then, the Polish relief came and fed and reconstructed the German areas. Instead of being grateful, the Germans spat at Poland. True the forced conversions had gone too far, but the Imperium did cease the forced-conversions and allowed religious tolerance again. And even then, the Germans revolted. The Polish Emperor was deeply hurt by the inability of the new German nation to be grateful for the GOOD things Poland did or tried to do.
Meanwhile, thousands of ethinc Poles fled the territories that were ceded to the other countries and the new state of Germany - territories that many called "Extended Poland". They feared that they would fall victim to anti-Polish sentiment and attacks, especially in the area ceded to create Germany, where anti-Polish sentiment seemed to be the highest, despite earlier happiness of being part of Poland. As they were leaving Extended Poland, the Polish nobles that ruled those areas tried to reassure the ethnic Poles that no harm would come to them. Their efforts were in vain. Even before the nobles left for what was left of the partitioned Imperium, huge crowds of Poles were streaming down to the remains of their country. Many were saddened to leave their homes, but they decided that they would be safer and much better off in Poland than in Extended Poland.
This terrible time would put Poland's survival skills to the test for the very first time. The Emperor was sure that his country would make it.
Diplo
From Poland
To Germany:
Why did you even ask for an alliance if you would withdraw your offer? Also, after your original Republic surrendered and ordered the farms, crops, etc. burned down, who sent relief to reconstruct and restore the infrastructure of the German lands? We did. We sent food and laborers to feed your starving people and rebuild the buildings, and we sent Jagiellonian Guards to oversee the reconstruction and make sure that the relief convoys were not attacked by renegades en route to the German lands. Do not give us mistreatment excuses because not very long ago, an Emperor actually made ethnic equality in the Imperium an OFFICIAL LAW. Quite a few nobles that did not want to follow this new law were arrested, so that kinder, fairer nobles could be chosen to rule the provinces. This was done to STOP any ethnic repression and/or mistreatment that may have existed within the Imperium. So we are deeply offended and deeply hurt by your accusation. But what has been said has been said - too late now. You do not want an alliance with us, so we are assuming that you would also reject our offer of [eventual] trade. Still, we hope that you still sign NAP.
But you earlier said that the only area you would take from Poland would be Berlin and the lands surrounding it. We also decided to give you all territory that is directly south of Berlin (basically the westernmost strip of land of what's left of Poland). Do not demand more land from us because we will not give up any more.
To Yalta, Greece, and Finland:
We hope that our Grand Eastern European Alliance still stands?
ORDERS
Give the St. Petersburg, the northern part of Lapland (the Polish part of the RL territory of Finland), and a thin strip of land (alongside the pre-war Polish-Finnish border) to connect the 2 areas to Rossiya (peace treaty term).
Give a Black Sea port city just east of the Crimea to Rossiya, and a strip of land alongside the pre-war Polish-Golden Horde border to connect Rossiya-Proper to the city. (peace treaty term)
Give one navy level to Rossiya. (peace treaty term)
Give 250 troops to Rossiya (peace treaty term)
Give the Suzdal territory that FNA occupied to FNA, who will then transfer the power over to Rossiya (peace treaty term)
Give one economy level to FNA (peace treaty term)
Give one navy level to FNA (peace treaty term)
Give the land that Netherlands and France occupied to Netherlands and France, respectively (peace treaty w/ both nations)
Make the city of Berlin, the area around it, and the strip of land directly south and southwest of it to the new state of Germany, but NO MORE THAN THAT! ALSO, NO TROOPS ARE TO BE DEDUCTED FROM MY OWN MILITARY TO FACILITATE THE NEW GERMAN ARMY - THEY WANT THEIR OWN COUNTRY, THEN THEY'RE GONNA GET THEIR OWN TROOPS.
Rebuild roads and stuff to increase economy.
Also, I no longer have a direct-land trade route with Finland, so now its gonna have to be via the Baltic Sea
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OOOH! I almost forgot. ALL HOSTILITIES ARE TO END (ON ALL FRONTS/NEW BORDERS - PRETTY OBVIOUS, BUT JUST IN CASE...)
Additional Story
Emperor Joseph IV signed the Treaty of St. Petersburg (I named this treaty - this treaty is the one with Rossiya) and the Treaty of London. Both treaties were quite humiliating and there were strong voices of opposition, calling the treaties unfair and declaring that they were designed to cripple Poland forever. However, Joseph reassured them that while for now, Poland's power would be only a shadow of its former glory, it would not be forever - eventually, strength will be restored and the Imperium will once again be respected by the other nations of Europe. Now, however, Poland was a defensive ally of FNA and Rossiya, but more importantly, it was still a part of the Grand Eastern European Alliance (Greece, Yalta, Finland, Poland), even after its members were almost ripped apart and destroyed.
Reconstruction would be long, hard, and difficult. Religious freedom was restored, although there were more people converting to Christianity - even w/o the army to force conversions.
Poland had been badly wounded, but the worst injury came from Germany. Although Poland recognized its restored sovereignty and an alliance was forming with the new Germany, the Germans accused the Polish Imperium of constantly mistreating them. On the contrary - when the first German Republic surrendered, it ordered the people to burn their farms and crops and buildings. Then, the Polish relief came and fed and reconstructed the German areas. Instead of being grateful, the Germans spat at Poland. True the forced conversions had gone too far, but the Imperium did cease the forced-conversions and allowed religious tolerance again. And even then, the Germans revolted. The Polish Emperor was deeply hurt by the inability of the new German nation to be grateful for the GOOD things Poland did or tried to do.
Meanwhile, thousands of ethinc Poles fled the territories that were ceded to the other countries and the new state of Germany - territories that many called "Extended Poland". They feared that they would fall victim to anti-Polish sentiment and attacks, especially in the area ceded to create Germany, where anti-Polish sentiment seemed to be the highest, despite earlier happiness of being part of Poland. As they were leaving Extended Poland, the Polish nobles that ruled those areas tried to reassure the ethnic Poles that no harm would come to them. Their efforts were in vain. Even before the nobles left for what was left of the partitioned Imperium, huge crowds of Poles were streaming down to the remains of their country. Many were saddened to leave their homes, but they decided that they would be safer and much better off in Poland than in Extended Poland.
This terrible time would put Poland's survival skills to the test for the very first time. The Emperor was sure that his country would make it.
Diplo
From Poland
To Germany:
Why did you even ask for an alliance if you would withdraw your offer? Also, after your original Republic surrendered and ordered the farms, crops, etc. burned down, who sent relief to reconstruct and restore the infrastructure of the German lands? We did. We sent food and laborers to feed your starving people and rebuild the buildings, and we sent Jagiellonian Guards to oversee the reconstruction and make sure that the relief convoys were not attacked by renegades en route to the German lands. Do not give us mistreatment excuses because not very long ago, an Emperor actually made ethnic equality in the Imperium an OFFICIAL LAW. Quite a few nobles that did not want to follow this new law were arrested, so that kinder, fairer nobles could be chosen to rule the provinces. This was done to STOP any ethnic repression and/or mistreatment that may have existed within the Imperium. So we are deeply offended and deeply hurt by your accusation. But what has been said has been said - too late now. You do not want an alliance with us, so we are assuming that you would also reject our offer of [eventual] trade. Still, we hope that you still sign NAP.
But you earlier said that the only area you would take from Poland would be Berlin and the lands surrounding it. We also decided to give you all territory that is directly south of Berlin (basically the westernmost strip of land of what's left of Poland). Do not demand more land from us because we will not give up any more.
To Yalta, Greece, and Finland:
We hope that our Grand Eastern European Alliance still stands?
ORDERS
Give the St. Petersburg, the northern part of Lapland (the Polish part of the RL territory of Finland), and a thin strip of land (alongside the pre-war Polish-Finnish border) to connect the 2 areas to Rossiya (peace treaty term).
Give a Black Sea port city just east of the Crimea to Rossiya, and a strip of land alongside the pre-war Polish-Golden Horde border to connect Rossiya-Proper to the city. (peace treaty term)
Give one navy level to Rossiya. (peace treaty term)
Give 250 troops to Rossiya (peace treaty term)
Give the Suzdal territory that FNA occupied to FNA, who will then transfer the power over to Rossiya (peace treaty term)
Give one economy level to FNA (peace treaty term)
Give one navy level to FNA (peace treaty term)
Give the land that Netherlands and France occupied to Netherlands and France, respectively (peace treaty w/ both nations)
Make the city of Berlin, the area around it, and the strip of land directly south and southwest of it to the new state of Germany, but NO MORE THAN THAT! ALSO, NO TROOPS ARE TO BE DEDUCTED FROM MY OWN MILITARY TO FACILITATE THE NEW GERMAN ARMY - THEY WANT THEIR OWN COUNTRY, THEN THEY'RE GONNA GET THEIR OWN TROOPS.
Rebuild roads and stuff to increase economy.
Also, I no longer have a direct-land trade route with Finland, so now its gonna have to be via the Baltic Sea
.OOOH! I almost forgot. ALL HOSTILITIES ARE TO END (ON ALL FRONTS/NEW BORDERS - PRETTY OBVIOUS, BUT JUST IN CASE...)
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
UPDATE
Finmaster
The White Ghost
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From FNA
To Germany:
We thank you for your wise decision. FNA will from now on fully protect Germany and it's independence and sovereignity whenever and where-ever it is necessary.
To Phoenicia:
Poland is not the reason why we are at war, which is why we didn't extend the London Peace Treaty to include Phoenicia. If you cease your hostile activities towards France, then we can have peace. That is the only demand that FNA has.
To Germany:
We thank you for your wise decision. FNA will from now on fully protect Germany and it's independence and sovereignity whenever and where-ever it is necessary.
To Phoenicia:
Poland is not the reason why we are at war, which is why we didn't extend the London Peace Treaty to include Phoenicia. If you cease your hostile activities towards France, then we can have peace. That is the only demand that FNA has.
Angelscotboi
Emperor
Additional Diplomacy=
From: The Twin Kingdoms of Pheonicia
To: FNA
Then Reykjavik will burn.
To: England
London shall forever be reduced to ashes, and forgotten in the sands of time.
To: The Netherlands
We shall take great pleasure in destroying the Republic of the Netherlands.
To: Germany
It is deeply unfortunate that we must destroy your newly independent nation, make no mistake we do not relish the thought of what we must do.
To: Poland
Traitor; after all Pheonicia did and was preparing to do for you, you abandon us.
We will win this war with the FNA and its allies, thier capitals shall burn; and Poland? We will not forget the Polish betrayal.
As a side note we can assure you that Athens will never ally with you; your alliance with them is dead.
To: Yalta
We would request that you also cancel your alliance with Poland; in return we would give you one economy level and aid in your future colonial expansions in the new world.
To: Golden Horde
Astrakhan may exist as a Horde vassal, however violation of its independence by you will result in a declaration of war by us; also Armenia will exist as a close ally of Assyria and Pheonicia, and serve as the waypoint between us to prevent further wars.
To: Greece
This is the first time Pheonicia has been presumptous and we mean no insult to Athens but we were sure that we could speak for you in that instance.
From: The Twin Kingdoms of Pheonicia
To: FNA
Then Reykjavik will burn.
To: England
London shall forever be reduced to ashes, and forgotten in the sands of time.
To: The Netherlands
We shall take great pleasure in destroying the Republic of the Netherlands.
To: Germany
It is deeply unfortunate that we must destroy your newly independent nation, make no mistake we do not relish the thought of what we must do.
To: Poland
Traitor; after all Pheonicia did and was preparing to do for you, you abandon us.
We will win this war with the FNA and its allies, thier capitals shall burn; and Poland? We will not forget the Polish betrayal.
As a side note we can assure you that Athens will never ally with you; your alliance with them is dead.
To: Yalta
We would request that you also cancel your alliance with Poland; in return we would give you one economy level and aid in your future colonial expansions in the new world.
To: Golden Horde
Astrakhan may exist as a Horde vassal, however violation of its independence by you will result in a declaration of war by us; also Armenia will exist as a close ally of Assyria and Pheonicia, and serve as the waypoint between us to prevent further wars.
To: Greece
This is the first time Pheonicia has been presumptous and we mean no insult to Athens but we were sure that we could speak for you in that instance.
Oruc
Reactionary
Nope!
Grandmaster
Deity
OOC: Azale, I know the terms of the St. Petersburg Treaty are confusing. Especially since both I and Kamilian have stated them, with slightly different wording. If you don't get it completely right, don't worry, we'll fix it. 
Kamilian
Deity
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From Poland
To Phoenicia:
Tell us this: Who the hell gives you the right to dictate the politics of Greece? Greece can speak for itself; if Greece wants to end our alliance, then they will tell us themselves.
To Greece:
So are you gonna continue being in our Grand Eastern European Alliance? Or are you gonna side with Phoenicia?
If you choose Phoenicia, we still wish to have at least an NAP?
To Phoenicia:
Tell us this: Who the hell gives you the right to dictate the politics of Greece? Greece can speak for itself; if Greece wants to end our alliance, then they will tell us themselves.
To Greece:
So are you gonna continue being in our Grand Eastern European Alliance? Or are you gonna side with Phoenicia?
If you choose Phoenicia, we still wish to have at least an NAP?
Amon Savag
The Great
A neutral's prospective
I see Phoenicia's point in calling Poland a "Traitor".How would you like it if an ally of yours brought you into THEIR war and had you declare war on all THEIR enemies and then right after that they turn their back on you for peace when right after you had just declared war on them?After throwing many insults at them and having deep support for their nation and this is how they repay you...Without any support back...And with total cawardice.And now Phoenicia is angry (as would I).Now you have peace with your enemies and left you're ally (Phoenicia) left to spill the blood of you enemies.There's no way Phoenicia could back down from a war right after declaring it without gaining anything.It would be an embarrassment to Phoenicia.Now by doing what you have done...You have embarrassed yourself,Lost a great ally,became FNA's b*tch and lost the trust of future allies and probably the allies you have.And for that matter I could see why Greece would go along with Phoenicia and end it's alliance with you because you might just do that trick again and next time to Greece.
I see Phoenicia's point in calling Poland a "Traitor".How would you like it if an ally of yours brought you into THEIR war and had you declare war on all THEIR enemies and then right after that they turn their back on you for peace when right after you had just declared war on them?After throwing many insults at them and having deep support for their nation and this is how they repay you...Without any support back...And with total cawardice.And now Phoenicia is angry (as would I).Now you have peace with your enemies and left you're ally (Phoenicia) left to spill the blood of you enemies.There's no way Phoenicia could back down from a war right after declaring it without gaining anything.It would be an embarrassment to Phoenicia.Now by doing what you have done...You have embarrassed yourself,Lost a great ally,became FNA's b*tch and lost the trust of future allies and probably the allies you have.And for that matter I could see why Greece would go along with Phoenicia and end it's alliance with you because you might just do that trick again and next time to Greece.
Kamilian
Deity
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well then, amon, what would YOU do if you were massively outnumbered, even if phoenicia would assist? what would you do?
and if you think im FNA's b*tch, you are dead-wrong. i am no1's puppet and i certainly wont give in to your pressure. i make my choices on my own and if they end up good in the end, then "HA! I WAS RIGHT!" if not, then i back off and face my doomed fate, but i am not puppeted, and i do not give in to pressure.
also, if you think i planned to "turn against phoenicia", as you are accusing me of doing, you are wrong, very very wrong. this was so i could survive for another day, live to see tomorrow, and think about the things for the day after that.
and if you think im FNA's b*tch, you are dead-wrong. i am no1's puppet and i certainly wont give in to your pressure. i make my choices on my own and if they end up good in the end, then "HA! I WAS RIGHT!" if not, then i back off and face my doomed fate, but i am not puppeted, and i do not give in to pressure.
also, if you think i planned to "turn against phoenicia", as you are accusing me of doing, you are wrong, very very wrong. this was so i could survive for another day, live to see tomorrow, and think about the things for the day after that.
Amon Savag
The Great
Having brought my allies into the war I would have stuck by them...being my fight I brought them into.If they brought me into a war I'd expect them to do the same.Basically what you're saying to all of your allies is "When we're in need and in a great war...And we bring you into it...We're gunna turn!And gain peace!And leave you with the fight!
" I do not see how one cannot share this point of view with me.
" I do not see how one cannot share this point of view with me.Similar threads
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