StKNES5: A New Lease on NES

[Kamilian]

Hey, people, listen up. I am thinking of making resources and luxuries trade-able and have them factor in what kind of units you're able to produce/recruit - like it is in Civ3.
As you can probably guess, if I do this, then a) the military stats will be changed and be much more specific, unit-wise, and b) the trades will also undergo some changes.
My personal issues and concerns with this are:

• Existing trades may not be viable once the resources/luxuries are implemented.
• Population numbers may cease to be relevant in military recruitment and production - it would now depend on what kind of resources you have and how much of these resources you have and/or import from others. That really sux because even though it required calculating, the population-proportion thing was as realistic as I could make it in game terms. I will try to work out this thing as I contemplate this change this week to the best of my ability.
• Introduction of luxuries (such as wine, silks, etc.) means that these luxuries, like the resources, will actually have to matter, or else it would just be extra words. This means, in turn, that the luxuries will affect happiness and stuff - in other words, Confidence. This means that I may add a "Happiness" and/or "Living Standards" stat, to reflect how the luxuries affect the moods of the people, though I'm afraid this might complicate the stats a bit...
• I would need to find a way to make sure that people with a specific resource for a specific unit type are not able to wantonly recruit recruit recruit the same unit without ever depleting their supply. This is the easiest issue to overcome, though, but just letting you know of the hardships I must face as a mod so that you are nice to me if or when these changes come into effect.
• What might get even more complicated is economy. No, I won't change the stat. However, I will have to come up with a way to ensure that over-exporting and over-using the items will have an effect on the economy.

Thank you all for your patience with me. I know I'm not easy, since like every single turn brings a new change in the rules or a new addition, and this particular change would be very drastic and, as I have just outlined, would affect a lot of the aspects of the game.
If you are able to think of simple ways to do this, you can post in the thread I made requesting help for this, as I tommy_toon already has (thanks, tommy!).
Again, thanks for the patience, and I apologize for all the complications I've caused all of you.

 

[Sheep]

To Papua and Maoris
From Australia

The Asians to our north continue their march of war towards us. I fear that sooner, rather than later our nations will face peril. It is time to populate or perish. It is time to build up our collective militaries and co-ordinate their efforts. I feel it is time to be ready for war. Together we can hold any aggressive actions against our nations and together we shall ensure we remain free, liberal and democratic!

 

[Lord_Iggy]

If you refer to Malaysia, we have NAPs with all of those you speak of. Malaysia does not wish to expand into Australia. What have we done to make you so distrustful of us?

 

[Finmaster]

From Byzantium
To Isreal:
Please help us against Eire if they come meddeling in the businesses of the Mediterranian. It is just as important to Israel as it is to Byzantium and Rome that WE are the nations deciding what goes on over here, not some faraway country thousands of miles away!

Also, we have a map prepared for you. For 50 ships we are willing to give you the land area marked with dark red (the road to Leopolis will mark as the borderline even though I accidentally marked it with red in this map. Just so that Byzantines can travel the road without entering Israel's territories):

To Eire:
Like we said.. Romans are our allies. Attack Rome and you are attacking Byzantium at the same time. Now the decision is up to you.

 

[Israelite9191]

To Byzantium
From Israel
The Wise King, heir of David and Saul, ruler of the Chosen People, approves of your proposal. The only change that is proposed is that Israel gain land extanding to the border with Rome, using the Leopolis roadas the border between us and you. In exchange for this we are willing to up our offer to 65 ships instead of 50. L'Chaim! L'Shalom! L'Yisroel! L'Byzantium!

To Byzantium, Dacia, Rome, and Georgia
From Israel
The Wise King, King Solomon, in accordance with the wishes of the Knesset and Kohane Gadol, proposethat a Defensive Alliance be formed between us. We believe that we must join together to protect the Mediteranean and Black Seas from the reaching hands of the westerners. Though it would appear that there is much to be gained from them, we believe that they may try to take land, wealth, and even independence from us. We propose that this defensive alliance be named the Jerusalem Defense Pact. L'Chaim! L'Shalom! L'Yisroel! L'Yerushalayim! (To Life! To Peace! To Israel! To Jerusalem!).

 

[tommy_toon]

From Eire
To Byzantium
We are not meddling in the affairs of the Mediteranean, you are meddling in the affairs of Europe, and now you are trying to bring Israel into the affairs of Europe as well. Austria is entirely our business, we are most certainly well within 1000 of these miles you speak of, and even within 2000 of these miles of your farthest border. And once more, we will attack Rome if we feel it is necesary, wether you join with them or not is your decision, not ours.

To Rome
We will not stand for your imperialist attitude. This is our last offer, withdraw from Austria or face our armies.

 

[Israelite9191]

To All fo Europe and the Mediterranea
From Israel
The Wise King, lord of the Chosen People, King of the Twleve Tribes, can no longer stand idle as one power strives not only to control his own regions affairs, but to expand his control over all of Europe and the Mediterranean. Head our words and remember this. There was once a time when a small and insignificant nation was enslaved by the mighty Pharoes fo the Nile, but this nation of slaves rose up against these imperial oppressors and escaped to conquer lands overflowing with milk and honey, the Promised Land. Here they established a strong nation, but were almost overrun by both the plague and the Bedouin Arabs. Yet still, they persevered and rose up to defeat them. This nation of slaves is now Israel, the second strongest naval power in the known world, with the second largest "colonial" empire, and the third most trade routes in the known world. We know full well the oppression of tyrant nations, and know that if we do not stand against the tide of these islanders to the west, then we shall all become slave nations, rather than prosperous traders. L'Chaim! L'Shalom! L'Yisroel! L'Europa! L'Mediterranea!

 

[Finmaster]

From Byzantine
To the entire Europe:

You have seen the evil deeds that Eire can do; isn't it clear to all of us that it was EIRE itself forcing Austria to attack Rome, so they'd get a good reason to meddle in the businesses of ours!

Doesn't it bother you at all that this far-away island nation has already taken over HALF OF EUROPE? AND IS DEMANDING FOR MORE?

Doesn't it bother you AT ALL that they are starting an unprovoken war against Rome and Byzantium? YOU could be next, for what we know!

NATIONS OF EUROPE! JOIN TOGETHER TO FIGHT OUTSIDE OPPRESSORS!

To Israel:
We would gladly join in this defensive alliance! We thank you for aiding us, it will not be forgotten.

We will accept your terms on the land transfer.

To Georgia and Crimea:
You two, who Byzantine has been trading in friendship for as long as your nations has existed! Outside force might soon cut off our trade routes! We need to put our forces together to prevent this from happening! TAKE ARMS AGAINST EIRE! NOW!

To Dacia:
We can trust you to fight alongside with us against Eire, right?

 

[tommy_toon]

This Nes is starting to feel a bit strange. I mean, it's in ancient times but with a modern feel, it's kinda wierd. I was just looking at how far away Israel, over 2,000 miles, and it seems a bit strange to me that they are sending out messages all over Europe. Oh, and Israelite, this is an Alternate-History Nes, meaning the history of the Egyptian Kingdom and a slave rebellion never happened, sorry.

EDIT:

From Eire
To Byzantium
Why do you send us messages where you are calling other nations to arms against Eire? Do as you wish, but we will always know that you are the one that out of the two of us, you are the only one to go to war against a nation with no reason. And since when do we control half of Europe? If we did, you would probably be nicer to us. We don't want your lands and have no need for them.

To Europe, excluding Rome and Byzantium
We, nor does the Dutante Alliance, want war with any nation. We would rather not see Austria be strangled by another nation like Dalmatia was. To lose a nation is to lose the culture of a people and their freedoms. We have never attacked a nation unless provoked, the British and Porugese either threatened us or attacked our neighbors, and we are not friends with the Portugese. Yes, the Dutante Alliance has signed peace with the Portugese in which only France recieved retributions for the war, mostly in eco, and a small strip of Portugal's northern territory. Were we truly imperialistic, we would have destroyed Portugal as Rome and Byzantine have destroyed Dalmatia. Friends, we wish not to fight a single one of you so please do not go to war against us.

 

[Israelite9191]

Tommy Toon- You aren't 2,000 miles away, you're in Barcelona! When I sent a message to "all" of Europe, I meant the part that I have contact with, as in France, Portugal, Rome, Byzantium, Dacia, Crimea, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. I just thought "all of Europe" would have a better sound to it then listing all of those countries, and, besides, it is just easier to say "all of Europe". I know it is alt-history. Since we are starting in 2500 BCE, between 500 and 1500 years after the rise of Civilization, I thought I could throw in the story for the sake of using it. Besides, you didn't comlain when I used it before.

EDIT: Israel isn't part of Europe.

To Rome
Form Israel
The Wise King Solomon, who's just laws are known from Eire to Ethiopia, wishes to offer some of his advice. Though we still uphold our offer of defensive alliance, we believe that it is in all of our best interests for you to halt your invasion into Austria. While a full out withdraw of your troops is not something we see happening, we do believe that by stopping where you are war with Eire can be avoided, and peace preserved. L'Chaim! L'Shalom! L'Yisroel! L'Roma!

 

[tommy_toon]

When did you use it before, certainly not when you joined (I already checked that post as it was most logical). The story makes very little sense considering that Israel was an original starting nation, as was Egypt, and Egypt was too small to have controlled the slaves of real life Israel. From Barcelona to your closet border, it's about 1800 miles, but I wasn't refering to Barcelona, which now belongs to Portugal. I was refering to capitals, which are about 2500 miles away.

From Eire
To Israel
Eire knows nothing of the "just laws" of King Soloman, only of the nation of Israel. Don't imply that I know what you want me to know, which we do not know. However, should peace proceed, we can begin to picture a righteous and just King Soloman. Should the offensive be halted, peace can be considered.

 

[Finmaster]

From Byzantium
To Eire:

We have never attacked Dacia, and never will. Dacia is our ally because of it's own free will. Has been for thousands of years. Rome hasn't attacked Dacia either. Slavs did attack Dacia several centuries ago, but Dacia survived and it hasn't been to any wars since that. I have started to wonder if you are on medication? You can see Dacia's stats on the front page, check them there. Yes they are on a personal union with Byzantine, but because of their own free will.

And when it comes to unprovoken wars, you have started unprovoken wars against Brits and Portugese, as we both know, and now you are about to start one against Rome. So enough with your hypocracy. Byzantium, meanwhile, has never attacked anyone without a reason (Dalmatians were, as it has been said several times before, stealing money from us so we had a VERY good reason) and we will intent to keep that policy.

To Europe:
You have seen what happened to Britain. You saw what happened to Portugal. It was not a regional dispute; and outside force from Ireland came and ate them alive!

THAT COULD BE YOUR DESTINY!

Think about it. Do we want to defend our mutual EUROPEAN CULTURE AGAINST OUTSIDE OPPRESSION?

I think we do. Byzantium does, at least.

 

[Israelite9191]

Tommy Toon- I used it in negotiations with Egypt, and it is just a story relating to Israel, to make it more than that. When I said "from Eire to Ethiopia" I was using the two countries I had contact with that were the farthest apart. Also, I gained contact with you through your conquering of Barcelona, and since people have been trading from one end of the Mediterranean to the other for millenia, I don't see the odity of me having communications with you if you controled Barcelona.

 

[tommy_toon]

Edit: Whoops, I meant Dalmatia not Dacia, sorry about that. I'm not good with names. It has been said by Kamilian that Dalmatia was not stealing the money in actuallity, making no profit at all.

From Eire
To Byzantium

Wince when is Eire considered outside of Europe? Are you sure it is not you on medication? Portugal's war was provoked, they attacked our allies and practicall destroyed them. However, if we use your logic and it was unprovoked, that would mean that if we attack Rome, which we wish not to, than if you attacked us it would be considered unprovoked. The Britains were threatening us the entire time, saying how they were going to kill us even when we tried to be peaceful. Is this not a provocation? As well, who is oppressing European culture other than Rome and yourself, no other nation in Europe is restraining a culture. If you are refering to the British, their culture has in fact merged with Eire, many traditions of the two are now integrated together.

 

[tommy_toon]

That's not what I meant at all for the communications. I just think it's a bit strange for a nation outside of Europe during the Iron Age trying to rally forces against a nation of Europe. I'm well of the trade in the Mediteranean where ships made travel quick, but sending to Europe would require a land route, which would take a considerably longer amount of time. And for the history, your supposed to make your own up, that's why it's alternate history.

 

[Finmaster]

From Byzantium
To Eire:
Lies, all lies!

Propaganda, that's what it is!

And yes, we are on medication, marrying relatives have cost us several brain diseases. But that is irrelevant.

To Europe:
Look at their lies! Have you ever seen such much lies! We haven't! Lies and propaganda. That's what it all is. I peg you all not to buy their propaganda!

Think about it. Seriously.

 

[tommy_toon]

From Eire
To Byzantium

You may want to up the dose on your medication as well as getting some different types

 

[Finmaster]

From Byzantium
To Eire:
Thanks for the tip. I shall try that.

 

[andis-1]

OOC: Enough of this political nonsense! It gives me headache...
and Kamilian, answer to my PM, I can't do anything before that!

IC:
From: Rome
To: Israel
We will join the alliance you proposed, althought "Mediterrean Defence Pact" would be better name for it.

 

[Israelite9191]

Tommy Toon- I was only contacting countries with coast lines (except Azerbaijan, which is next door to my trading partner), and my navy is almost as good as yours, so I think my communications are perfectly plausible. BTW I am taking some real history and then shaping it the way I want from there. Sure, I am using the slavery in Egypt story, but I am also making my people seafaring explorers, and dont worry, I will be writing in some alternative hsitory soon.