JosefStalinator
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controlling one of your largest cities and your capital gives me no right?
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Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
Presidential Bills proposed to the Confederate States
Bill 1: The Confederate State is indivisble by either seccession or rebellion. However the right to petition the State Legislature and the Confederate Congress exists allowing a state's people to not be forever shackled to an unfair government.
Bill 2: Carolina presents the Territory of Florida for full statehood. preferred trade status is to be set up between Florida and Carolina however Florida for all puposes will be a free and independent Confederate State.
Bill 3: The annexation of Washington DC from the United States is to be recognised.
Bill 4: The formation of a Confederate Military based in Washington DC, to take the place of the Federal Army in the United States.
Bill 5: The division of Mississippi Territory into the territory of Mississippi and Alabama
Bill 6: The joining of the states of Kentucky, Ohio, Tennesse, Mississippi and Alabama without the need for futher votes.
Bill 7: The Redrawing of the Electoral College The following is the proposed numbers. This will ensure that two states will not hold a monopoly over the CSA. Thus the minimum a electoral college can be for a single state is now set to be 7.
Bill 8: If Bill 3 is passed, the formation of the city of Washington DC into the capital city of the Confederacy to be named Washington CC.
Bill 1: The Confederate State is indivisble by either seccession or rebellion. However the right to petition the State Legislature and the Confederate Congress exists allowing a state's people to not be forever shackled to an unfair government.
Bill 2: Carolina presents the Territory of Florida for full statehood. preferred trade status is to be set up between Florida and Carolina however Florida for all puposes will be a free and independent Confederate State.
Bill 3: The annexation of Washington DC from the United States is to be recognised.
Bill 4: The formation of a Confederate Military based in Washington DC, to take the place of the Federal Army in the United States.
Bill 5: The division of Mississippi Territory into the territory of Mississippi and Alabama
Bill 6: The joining of the states of Kentucky, Ohio, Tennesse, Mississippi and Alabama without the need for futher votes.
Bill 7: The Redrawing of the Electoral College The following is the proposed numbers. This will ensure that two states will not hold a monopoly over the CSA. Thus the minimum a electoral college can be for a single state is now set to be 7.
Bill 8: If Bill 3 is passed, the formation of the city of Washington DC into the capital city of the Confederacy to be named Washington CC.
From New York
To Union:
We need to put our forces under temporary federal control, much like the Continental Army. once the war is over all regiments will return to their home State. A New York General from West Point will take command of the army. This is necessary so we can defeat our enemys. The amount of troops you want to send is entirely up to you.
To Union:
We need to put our forces under temporary federal control, much like the Continental Army. once the war is over all regiments will return to their home State. A New York General from West Point will take command of the army. This is necessary so we can defeat our enemys. The amount of troops you want to send is entirely up to you.
JosefStalinator
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yes on all but Richmond should be the capital of the confederacy, not washington
no on electoral for now
no on electoral for now
Duddha
His Dudeness
Conn. to Union, Confederacy, and Britian
The prospect of large bloodshed in New England worries the Free Republic of Connecticut. We would like a peace to be restablished quickly, and will do whatever lies in our power to expedite reestablishing peace in New England. If there is any role you feel we, a neutral Republic, can do to bring peace among you warring parties please do not hesitate to ask. Connecticut's interests lie with a quick establishment of peace.
The Righteous President of Connecticut Duder
The prospect of large bloodshed in New England worries the Free Republic of Connecticut. We would like a peace to be restablished quickly, and will do whatever lies in our power to expedite reestablishing peace in New England. If there is any role you feel we, a neutral Republic, can do to bring peace among you warring parties please do not hesitate to ask. Connecticut's interests lie with a quick establishment of peace.
The Righteous President of Connecticut Duder
JosefStalinator
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the confederacy recognized connecticut as a soveriegn nation, and opens its ports to trade with connecticut, perhaps some cotton or tobacco?
JosefStalinator
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the electoral college is done base on population, though I dont see why we could not create a minimum on the small states for electoral votes
that way some people may be over reperesented, but none are ever under represented
that way some people may be over reperesented, but none are ever under represented
Storm Rider
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I claim Ohio.
State: Ohio
Player: N/A (reserved by Storm Rider)
Electoral votes: 3
Economy:
>Income: 5 (+1 trade)
>Expenses: 6
>Balance: 0
>Debt: ?
>Interest: ?
Trade:
>Imports: No trade as of yet
>Exports: 1 (Timber)
>Balance: No trade as of yet
Armed forces: 5,000 regulars (-3)
Education: 1
Transportation: 1
Internal Security: 0
Industry: 1
Projects:
Notes: Large, much timber, lots of potential for industry especially steel.
THE OHIO GAZETTE
Ohio Governor Suddenly Dies
The current Ohio governor passed away during the night from a heart attack. The new governor took control the following morning, then immediately ordered the Ohio militia to withdraw from the Virginian territory, and urged the West Virginian rebellion to lay down their arms.
To: CSA
From: Ohio
The true citizens of Ohio apologize deeply for the actions of the previous government, and ask that you accept us into your new country.
State: Ohio
Player: N/A (reserved by Storm Rider)
Electoral votes: 3
Economy:
>Income: 5 (+1 trade)
>Expenses: 6
>Balance: 0
>Debt: ?
>Interest: ?
Trade:
>Imports: No trade as of yet
>Exports: 1 (Timber)
>Balance: No trade as of yet
Armed forces: 5,000 regulars (-3)
Education: 1
Transportation: 1
Internal Security: 0
Industry: 1
Projects:
Notes: Large, much timber, lots of potential for industry especially steel.
THE OHIO GAZETTE
Ohio Governor Suddenly Dies
The current Ohio governor passed away during the night from a heart attack. The new governor took control the following morning, then immediately ordered the Ohio militia to withdraw from the Virginian territory, and urged the West Virginian rebellion to lay down their arms.
To: CSA
From: Ohio
The true citizens of Ohio apologize deeply for the actions of the previous government, and ask that you accept us into your new country.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
To Ohio
From the President of the Confederate States of America
To have entry into the Confederacy for the next year you must only have Presedential consent and you must also ratify the constituion of the Confederate States of America.
From the President of the Confederate States of America
To have entry into the Confederacy for the next year you must only have Presedential consent and you must also ratify the constituion of the Confederate States of America.
JosefStalinator
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to OHio
the CSA will hold a vote of acceptance immediately, and know that Virginia supports your joining
the CSA will hold a vote of acceptance immediately, and know that Virginia supports your joining
Storm Rider
Essence of Awesome
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To President of CSA
From Ohio
Done. Ohio thanks the acceptance of the CSA and ratifies their constitution.
From Ohio
Done. Ohio thanks the acceptance of the CSA and ratifies their constitution.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
Gentlemen of the Congress of the Confederate States of America, Friends, and Fellow-citizens: Called to the difficult and responsible station of Chief Magistrate of the Provisional Government which you have instituted, I approach the discharge of the duties assigned to me with humble distrust of my abilities, but with a sustaining confidence in the wisdom of those who are to guide and aid me in the administration of public affairs, and an abiding faith in the virtue and patriotism of the people. Looking forward to the speedy establishment of a permanent government to take the place of this, which by its greater moral and physical power will be better able to combat with many difficulties that arise from the conflicting interests of separate nations, I enter upon the duties of the office to which I have been chosen with the hope that the beginning of our career, as a Confederacy, may not be obstructed by hostile opposition to our enjoyment of the separate existence and independence we have asserted, and which, with the blessing of Providence, we intend to maintain.
Our present political position has been achieved in a manner unprecedented in the history of nations. It illustrates the American idea that governments rest on the consent of the governed, and that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them at will whenever they become destructive of the ends for which they were established. The declared purpose of the compact of the Union from which we have withdrawn was to "establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity;" and when, in the judgment of the sovereign States composing this Confederacy, it has been perverted from the purposes for which it was ordained, and ceased to answer the ends for which it was established, a peaceful appeal to the ballot box declared that, so far as they are concerned, the Government created by that compact should cease to exist. In this they merely asserted the right which the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, defined to be "inalienable." Of the time and occasion of its exercise they as sovereigns were the final judges, each for itself. The impartial and enlightened verdict of mankind will vindicate the rectitude of our conduct; and He who knows the hearts of men will judge of the sincerity with which we have labored to preserve the Government of our fathers in its spirit.
The right solemnly proclaimed at the birth of the United States, and which has been solemnly affirmed and reaffirmed in the Bills of Rights of the States subsequently admitted into the Union of 1789, undeniably recognizes in the people the power to resume the authority delegated for the purposes of government. Thus the sovereign States here represented have proceeded to form this Confederacy; and it is by abuse of language that their act has been denominated a revolution. They formed a new alliance, but within each State its government has remained; so that the rights of person and property have not been disturbed. The agent through which they communicated with foreign nations is changed, but this does not necessarily interrupt their international relations. Sustained by the consciousness that the transition from the former Union to the present Confederacy has not proceeded from a disregard on our part of just obligations, or any, failure to perform every constitutional duty, moved by no interest or passion to invade the rights of others, anxious to cultivate peace and commerce with all nations, if we may not hope to avoid war, we may at least expect that posterity will acquit us of having needlessly engaged in it. Doubly justified by the absence of wrong on our part, and by wanton aggression on the part of others, there can be no cause to doubt that the courage and patriotism of the people of the Confederate States will be found equal to any measure of defense which their honor and security may require. An agricultural people, whose chief interest is the export of commodities required in every manufacturing country, our true policy is peace, and the freest trade which our necessities will permit. It is alike our interest and that of all those to whom we would sell, and from whom we would buy, that there should be the fewest practicable restrictions upon the interchange of these commodities. There can, however, be but little rivalry between ours and any manufacturing or navigating community, such as the Northeastern States of the American Union. It must follow, therefore, that mutual interest will invite to good will and kind offices on both parts. If, however, passion or lust of dominion should cloud the judgment or inflame the ambition of those States, we must prepare to meet the emergency and maintain, by the final arbitrament of the sword, the position which we have assumed among the nations of the earth.
We have entered upon the career of independence, and it must be inflexibly pursued. Through many years of controversy with our late associates of the Northern States, we have vainly endeavored to secure tranquillity and obtain respect for the rights to which we were entitled. As a necessity, not a choice, we have resorted to the remedy of separation, and henceforth our energies must be directed to the conduct of our own affairs, and the perpetuity of the Confederacy which we have formed. If a just perception of mutual interest shall permit us peaceably to pursue our separate political career, my most earnest desire will have been fulfilled. But if this be denied to us, and the integrity of our territory and jurisdiction be assailed, it will but remain for us with firm resolve to appeal to arms and invoke the blessing of Providence on a just cause.
As a consequence of our new condition and relations, and with a vicar to meet anticipated wants, it will be necessary to provide for the speedy and efficient organization of branches of the Executive department having special charge of foreign intercourse, finance, military affairs, and the postal service. For purposes of defense, the Confederate States may, under ordinary circumstances, rely mainly upon the militia; but it is deemed advisable, in the present condition of affairs, that there should be a well-instructed and disciplined army, more numerous than would usually be required on a peace establishment. I also suggest that, for the protection of our harbors and commerce on the high seas, a navy adapted to those objects will be required. But this, as well as other subjects appropriate to our necessities, have doubtless engaged the attention of Congress.
With a Constitution differing only from that of our fathers in so far as it is explanatory of their well-known intent, freed from sectional conflicts, which have interfered with the pursuit of the general welfare, it is not unreasonable to expect that States from which we have recently parted may seek to unite their fortunes to ours under the Government which we have instituted. For this your Constitution makes adequate provision; but beyond this, if I mistake not the judgment and will of the people, a reunion with the States from which we have separated is neither practicable nor desirable. To increase the power, develop the resources, and promote the happiness of the Confederacy, it is requisite that there should be so much of homogeneity that the welfare of every portion shall be the aim of the whole. When this does not exist, antagonisms are engendered which must and should result in separation.
Actuated solely by the desire to preserve our own rights, and promote our own welfare, the separation by the Confederate States has been marked by no aggression upon others, and followed by no domestic convulsion. Our industrial pursuits have received no check, the cultivation of our fields has progressed as heretofore, and, even should we be involved in war, there would be no considerable diminution in the production of the staples which have constituted our exports, and in which the commercial world has an interest scarcely less than our own. This common interest of the producer and consumer can only be interrupted by exterior force which would obstruct the transmission of our staples to foreign markets - a course of conduct which would be as unjust, as it would be detrimental, to manufacturing and commercial interests abroad.
Should reason guide the action of the Government from which we have separated, a policy so detrimental to the civilized world, the Northern States included, could not be dictated by even the strongest desire to inflict injury upon us; but, if the contrary should prove true, a terrible responsibility will rest upon it, and the suffering of millions will bear testimony to the folly and wickedness of our aggressors. In the meantime there will remain to us, besides the ordinary means before suggested, the well-known resources for retaliation upon the commerce of an enemy.
Experience in public stations, of subordinate grade to this care and disappointment are the price of official elevation. You will see many errors to forgive, many deficiencies to tolerate; but you shall not find in me either want of zeal or fidelity to the cause that is to me the highest in hope, and of most enduring affection. Your generosity has bestowed upon me an undeserved distinction, one which I neither sought nor desired. Upon the continuance of that sentiment, and upon your wisdom and patriotism, I rely to direct and support me in the performance of the duties required at my hands.
We have changed the constituent parts, but not the system of government. The Constitution framed by our fathers is that of these Confederate States. In their exposition of it, and in the judicial construction it has received, we have a light which reveals its true meaning.
Thus instructed as to the true meaning and just interpretation of that instrument, and ever remembering that all offices are but trusts held for the people, and that powers delegated are to be strictly construed, I will hope by due diligence in the performance of my duties, though I may disappoint your expectations, yet to retain, when retiring, something of the good will and confidence which welcome my entrance into office.
It is joyous in the midst of perilous times to look around upon a people united in heart, where one purpose of high resolve animates and actuates the whole; where the sacrifices to be made are not weighed in the balance against honor and right and liberty and equality. Obstacles may ******, but they cannot long prevent, the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice and sustained by a virtuous people. Reverently let us invoke the God of our fathers to guide and protect us in our efforts to perpetuate the principles which by his blessing they were able to vindicate, establish, and transmit to their posterity. With the continuance of his favor ever gratefully acknowledged, we may hopefully look forward to success, to peace, and to prosperity.
Our present political position has been achieved in a manner unprecedented in the history of nations. It illustrates the American idea that governments rest on the consent of the governed, and that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them at will whenever they become destructive of the ends for which they were established. The declared purpose of the compact of the Union from which we have withdrawn was to "establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity;" and when, in the judgment of the sovereign States composing this Confederacy, it has been perverted from the purposes for which it was ordained, and ceased to answer the ends for which it was established, a peaceful appeal to the ballot box declared that, so far as they are concerned, the Government created by that compact should cease to exist. In this they merely asserted the right which the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, defined to be "inalienable." Of the time and occasion of its exercise they as sovereigns were the final judges, each for itself. The impartial and enlightened verdict of mankind will vindicate the rectitude of our conduct; and He who knows the hearts of men will judge of the sincerity with which we have labored to preserve the Government of our fathers in its spirit.
The right solemnly proclaimed at the birth of the United States, and which has been solemnly affirmed and reaffirmed in the Bills of Rights of the States subsequently admitted into the Union of 1789, undeniably recognizes in the people the power to resume the authority delegated for the purposes of government. Thus the sovereign States here represented have proceeded to form this Confederacy; and it is by abuse of language that their act has been denominated a revolution. They formed a new alliance, but within each State its government has remained; so that the rights of person and property have not been disturbed. The agent through which they communicated with foreign nations is changed, but this does not necessarily interrupt their international relations. Sustained by the consciousness that the transition from the former Union to the present Confederacy has not proceeded from a disregard on our part of just obligations, or any, failure to perform every constitutional duty, moved by no interest or passion to invade the rights of others, anxious to cultivate peace and commerce with all nations, if we may not hope to avoid war, we may at least expect that posterity will acquit us of having needlessly engaged in it. Doubly justified by the absence of wrong on our part, and by wanton aggression on the part of others, there can be no cause to doubt that the courage and patriotism of the people of the Confederate States will be found equal to any measure of defense which their honor and security may require. An agricultural people, whose chief interest is the export of commodities required in every manufacturing country, our true policy is peace, and the freest trade which our necessities will permit. It is alike our interest and that of all those to whom we would sell, and from whom we would buy, that there should be the fewest practicable restrictions upon the interchange of these commodities. There can, however, be but little rivalry between ours and any manufacturing or navigating community, such as the Northeastern States of the American Union. It must follow, therefore, that mutual interest will invite to good will and kind offices on both parts. If, however, passion or lust of dominion should cloud the judgment or inflame the ambition of those States, we must prepare to meet the emergency and maintain, by the final arbitrament of the sword, the position which we have assumed among the nations of the earth.
We have entered upon the career of independence, and it must be inflexibly pursued. Through many years of controversy with our late associates of the Northern States, we have vainly endeavored to secure tranquillity and obtain respect for the rights to which we were entitled. As a necessity, not a choice, we have resorted to the remedy of separation, and henceforth our energies must be directed to the conduct of our own affairs, and the perpetuity of the Confederacy which we have formed. If a just perception of mutual interest shall permit us peaceably to pursue our separate political career, my most earnest desire will have been fulfilled. But if this be denied to us, and the integrity of our territory and jurisdiction be assailed, it will but remain for us with firm resolve to appeal to arms and invoke the blessing of Providence on a just cause.
As a consequence of our new condition and relations, and with a vicar to meet anticipated wants, it will be necessary to provide for the speedy and efficient organization of branches of the Executive department having special charge of foreign intercourse, finance, military affairs, and the postal service. For purposes of defense, the Confederate States may, under ordinary circumstances, rely mainly upon the militia; but it is deemed advisable, in the present condition of affairs, that there should be a well-instructed and disciplined army, more numerous than would usually be required on a peace establishment. I also suggest that, for the protection of our harbors and commerce on the high seas, a navy adapted to those objects will be required. But this, as well as other subjects appropriate to our necessities, have doubtless engaged the attention of Congress.
With a Constitution differing only from that of our fathers in so far as it is explanatory of their well-known intent, freed from sectional conflicts, which have interfered with the pursuit of the general welfare, it is not unreasonable to expect that States from which we have recently parted may seek to unite their fortunes to ours under the Government which we have instituted. For this your Constitution makes adequate provision; but beyond this, if I mistake not the judgment and will of the people, a reunion with the States from which we have separated is neither practicable nor desirable. To increase the power, develop the resources, and promote the happiness of the Confederacy, it is requisite that there should be so much of homogeneity that the welfare of every portion shall be the aim of the whole. When this does not exist, antagonisms are engendered which must and should result in separation.
Actuated solely by the desire to preserve our own rights, and promote our own welfare, the separation by the Confederate States has been marked by no aggression upon others, and followed by no domestic convulsion. Our industrial pursuits have received no check, the cultivation of our fields has progressed as heretofore, and, even should we be involved in war, there would be no considerable diminution in the production of the staples which have constituted our exports, and in which the commercial world has an interest scarcely less than our own. This common interest of the producer and consumer can only be interrupted by exterior force which would obstruct the transmission of our staples to foreign markets - a course of conduct which would be as unjust, as it would be detrimental, to manufacturing and commercial interests abroad.
Should reason guide the action of the Government from which we have separated, a policy so detrimental to the civilized world, the Northern States included, could not be dictated by even the strongest desire to inflict injury upon us; but, if the contrary should prove true, a terrible responsibility will rest upon it, and the suffering of millions will bear testimony to the folly and wickedness of our aggressors. In the meantime there will remain to us, besides the ordinary means before suggested, the well-known resources for retaliation upon the commerce of an enemy.
Experience in public stations, of subordinate grade to this care and disappointment are the price of official elevation. You will see many errors to forgive, many deficiencies to tolerate; but you shall not find in me either want of zeal or fidelity to the cause that is to me the highest in hope, and of most enduring affection. Your generosity has bestowed upon me an undeserved distinction, one which I neither sought nor desired. Upon the continuance of that sentiment, and upon your wisdom and patriotism, I rely to direct and support me in the performance of the duties required at my hands.
We have changed the constituent parts, but not the system of government. The Constitution framed by our fathers is that of these Confederate States. In their exposition of it, and in the judicial construction it has received, we have a light which reveals its true meaning.
Thus instructed as to the true meaning and just interpretation of that instrument, and ever remembering that all offices are but trusts held for the people, and that powers delegated are to be strictly construed, I will hope by due diligence in the performance of my duties, though I may disappoint your expectations, yet to retain, when retiring, something of the good will and confidence which welcome my entrance into office.
It is joyous in the midst of perilous times to look around upon a people united in heart, where one purpose of high resolve animates and actuates the whole; where the sacrifices to be made are not weighed in the balance against honor and right and liberty and equality. Obstacles may ******, but they cannot long prevent, the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice and sustained by a virtuous people. Reverently let us invoke the God of our fathers to guide and protect us in our efforts to perpetuate the principles which by his blessing they were able to vindicate, establish, and transmit to their posterity. With the continuance of his favor ever gratefully acknowledged, we may hopefully look forward to success, to peace, and to prosperity.
JosefStalinator
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that was beautiful sheep, and so original
welcome Ohio, we hope to patch up relations bewteen our two states in the future
welcome Ohio, we hope to patch up relations bewteen our two states in the future
JosefStalinator
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to kentucky and tennesee
form virginia
we ask that you take a position on the current war, and join the CSA for the good of your nation
form virginia
we ask that you take a position on the current war, and join the CSA for the good of your nation
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
occ: We have doubled this thread in ONE DAY!!!!
JosefStalinator
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Bill 1: YES
Bill 2: YES
Bill 3: YES
Bill 4: YES
Bill 5: YES
Bill 6: YES
Bill 7: NO
Bill 8:YES
i say no to making DC our capital as it is a symbol of northern oppression, leave richmond as the capital
as for electoral college 9 is too high and we do not need so many senators, the hose of reprentatives is also supposed to be done by population
Bill 2: YES
Bill 3: YES
Bill 4: YES
Bill 5: YES
Bill 6: YES
Bill 7: NO
Bill 8:YES
i say no to making DC our capital as it is a symbol of northern oppression, leave richmond as the capital
as for electoral college 9 is too high and we do not need so many senators, the hose of reprentatives is also supposed to be done by population
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
To Virginia
From Carolina:
We do not think 9 is to high mainly because it will give a voiuce to the smaller states of the Confederacy, not a whisper.
DC should not be the capital, However if Richmond will be then the Virginian capital will need to move. Richmond would for all purposes become under the direct control of the Confederate government.
Bill 1: YES
Bill 2: YES
Bill 3: YES
Bill 4: YES
Bill 5: YES
Bill 6: YES
Bill 7: YES
Bill 8: YES
The Confederate Military is needed!
From Carolina:
We do not think 9 is to high mainly because it will give a voiuce to the smaller states of the Confederacy, not a whisper.
DC should not be the capital, However if Richmond will be then the Virginian capital will need to move. Richmond would for all purposes become under the direct control of the Confederate government.
Bill 1: YES
Bill 2: YES
Bill 3: YES
Bill 4: YES
Bill 5: YES
Bill 6: YES
Bill 7: YES
Bill 8: YES
The Confederate Military is needed!
JosefStalinator
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why must richmond be seperate? I say we just have it as the capital and part of virginia
