stop asking me to open my borders
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Gargoyle
Warlord
Kieran said:
Open Borders is considered an advantage. So they just can't understand way you wouldn't want to take advantage of it. But isolationism is a valid strategy. Want is needed it a way to RED out things YOU won't trade like the AI can.
Crimso
...aaaaaagh!
I'm curious, what are the advantages of being isolationist?
Crimso said:
You can still trade with the AI but keep closed borders. With open borders your most friendly ally can see you are weak and send a stack in - they do it all the time to me.
I sometimes open borders for 10 turns if i need to send my galley somewhere or when I want to have a war.
MrCynical
Deity
The loss of trade and damage to relations from closed borders is a far greater penalty than any scouting the AI can do. If you want to be isolationist then fair enough, but it is very detrimental to your economy.
Unfortunately there is no way to block AI messages (and I find the cancelling deals messages annoying as well).
Unfortunately there is no way to block AI messages (and I find the cancelling deals messages annoying as well).
Flak
vBülletin Förum
Blazer6 said:
Yeah but they won't have any idea of the distribution of your forces. Firaxis actually programmed this carefully into the AI strategy. If it were silly enough to look at the power graph and simply see that I'm 2/3 it's strength and to attack my nearest bordering city, they're going to be in for rude, and very disappointing, surprise.
Open borders changes all of that. The AI can and does carefully scout out your weakest point (as it should) and then attacks.
I only allow open borders when I pretty much have all of my land under cultural control. I never allow open borders with any neighboring civ. Open borders can be a nice boost to trade and leaving my neighbors out of that kind of arrangement gives me time to see anything ominous like a large fleet offloading in my lands or coming into my borders from a neighboring land.
Open borders usually means a couple galleys of knights, catapults and grenadiers is about to be dropped off right next to the lone warrior in your capital.
There are trade advantages, as well as scouting advantage for you. As long as it's not someone like Montezuma, Alexander or Khan it's usually worth doing it. For example, I've never had Gandhi sneak attack me, regardless of my defenses.
Not to mention, the dialog comes up moments after you've already witnessed them razing one of your border cities. "So be it."
There are trade advantages, as well as scouting advantage for you. As long as it's not someone like Montezuma, Alexander or Khan it's usually worth doing it. For example, I've never had Gandhi sneak attack me, regardless of my defenses.
Not to mention, the dialog comes up moments after you've already witnessed them razing one of your border cities. "So be it."
aronk76
Chieftain
Crimso said:
I have found that having open borders does the follwing:
1. allows the AI to see what you have
2. allows the AI to contact othe civs that may be block by your territory
When I play as an isolationist I seem to do much better because the AI doesn't attack as soon and they also fall way behind in research, culture, and growth.
Crimso
...aaaaaagh!
Yeah, but the trade routes give you more than enough money to support a standing army. Also, diplomacy is improved by Open Border Agreements, so you will experience less invasions. Finally, if you've got at least one Holy City, there is no question that you need OBAs.
If your economy isn't being boosted by foriegn trade routes or shrines, I don't know how you're surviving.
If your economy isn't being boosted by foriegn trade routes or shrines, I don't know how you're surviving.
aronk76 said:
Do you normally play total Isolationist or are you selective about it? I will have to try playing a game from the start with the mind set of an Isolationist and see how it plays out, never tired it. By the way what leader do you normally play this method with and do you think it matters?
aronk76
Chieftain
Nilrim said:
I don't always play this way, usually I will open my borders to only 2 other civs that are surrounding me and then I will work with them to take out all the other civs. As for what leader, I really don't think it matter too much.
Eigenvector
Molekh has nothing on me!
I always play totally isolationist and I've never had a problem winning a game. Now that may change as my difficulty levels increase, but so far I haven't seen any reason to open my borders.
Besides, the only time the AI asks me for open borders in when it wants to move a galley or galleon through my waters on its way to clobber someone else. Why should I help their war efforts?
Besides, the only time the AI asks me for open borders in when it wants to move a galley or galleon through my waters on its way to clobber someone else. Why should I help their war efforts?
Nilrim said:
I'm selective. I agree to open my borders when I have a reason to. I usually do well when I play my games that way and am the one who starts wars not the recipient. I do disable tech trading though.
The AI should 'learn' after asking you 3 times and give you a break. If he really wants those open borders then he should come back with 2000 gold the next time.
PekkaM
Warlord
I hate that too. My earlier thread on the topic can be found here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143834Kieran said:
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