yeah when they denounce you or get a negatif modifier that turn they are still friendly so you can still get a good deal if you never give them open borders they actualyl give more then usally have seen it before
Its happened to me before, but only on multiplayer. I had defeated several cities from a human player causing him to quit and made peace. He was guarded as well, but had borders next to me. He also gave me 71 gold for Open Borders.
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