Strong Military units...die to weak ones...

[truckingpete]

Well..I was conquering Persia's capital...I attacked with Riflemen, I was in the Industrial Age. I kept losing to musketmen. So I brought some Medievla Infratry that I had, they dropped like bugs, well sometimes I did...Calvary couldn't even bring it down. I didn't get it??? I had a, 15 - 25 unit army consisting of Medieval Inf. Calvary, Crusaders, and Riflemen...say I had 20, dropped sown to 10 jsut for musketmen....So what is with that??

thanks!
Truckingpete

 

[Zardnaar]

This is what artillery units are for. That and spearmen can kill tanks so your infantry and cavalry would have sucked. If the city was over size 6 and was built on a hill or if you had to attack across a river this all adds the the defenders defense.

 

[Dearmad]

Learn some tactics man... don't attack with rifleman, for one. Learn about the defensive bonuses that defenders get.

And while I expect my cavalry to kill most musketmen they encounter, I'd expect to lose a few too, a 6 attack isn't any sort of advantage at all compared to a 4 defense in a city (which goes to 6). And if you were attacking across a river, then expect to LOSE!

GRRRRR people needlesly complaining like this pisses me off- the whole stupid spearman arguement which isn't true anyway.

 

[wilbill]

If you think the title of your thread is correct, that explains your problem. Every one of the units you attacked with is actually weaker than a musketman fortified in a city. Hills or river makes it even worse.

Play around with this Combat Calculator to see how the odds work out.
At the point in the game where you're at there's no unit with a big offensive advantage. As Zardnaar said, you either need to use cannon/artillery to knock hitpoints off the defenders or be prepared to take big losses/

 

[Tathlum]

Think you had it bad. Read what happens the weresgorix in "The High Crusade" by poul anderson...

 

[Jawz II]

i think its basicly a case of u overhelming your opponents with sheer numbers,1st wave was what? the most modern unit u had the riflemen?

att=4 def=6

cost an assload

where as med. inf. has the same 4 attack value for a lot less shields

also,as someone mentioned what are you doing attacking with defensive units?

cav has attack =6, and sometimes retreat when losing for the same price(more or less)

 

[Frostyboy]

But at higher difficulties it sometimes looks like the AI is cheating.
Often I have more success with weaker units (and I played many games like this)

 

[sabo]

Originally posted by Frostyboy
But at higher difficulties it sometimes looks like the AI is cheating.
Often I have more success with weaker units (and I played many games like this)

Yeah I've noticed that, alot of times I can't make a dent to units in a city with tanks but sometimes I'll bring in a few Cav's thinking I'll loose them anyway (purging my army ) and they will do better than the tanks, wierd!

 

[Halcyon]

Chance is an odd thing. I lost a knight army to a defending swordsman in the open yesterday. That was annoying.

 

[AdHHH]

Chances are if you repeatedly hit the AI with rubbish units you are helping; there is probably a barracks in the city so the unit will heal each turn and if you hit it with 2 bad units in one turn it will be promoted, making your job more difficult. If you don't have units that are clearly better (i.e. more A against D + bonuses) then you *must* use bombard units, be they ship, treb, cannon, artillery or whatever.

 

[Moonsinger]

Last Sunday, I lost an army of three cavalries against a Korean defending archer. I was taking out a stack of over 70 defending Korean archers on an open plains with my cavalries. I lost 1 army of cavalries (at full health of 13 HPs) and 2 other cavalries, but I also got 4 military leaders in that process.

//Edit: May be there was also some spearmans hiding in that stack of archers and that was actually how I lost my cavary army. Anyway, I thought that was very odd.

 

[Chieftess]

Truckinpete - Whatever you do, don't run for military advisor in the demogame.

Rifles = 4 attack.
Muskets = 4 defense.

It's an even match. Have the musket on a hill, in a city, or even fortified, or behind a river, and the musket's defense has the upper hand.


Med. Inf. have 4 attack, same as a Rifle.
Cavs have 6 attack, Crusaders have 5.

You have to look at WHAT you're attacking.

Is the city over size 6? (in the case of C3C, is it over Size 12? i.e., Shakespeare's).

Does it have a hill?

Does the civ have the Great Wall?

Is the unit fortified?

Were you attacking across a river?

How many hitpoints did the other unit and your unit have?

How many troops were you attacking with? If it's one at a time, you're giving the AI a chance to heal units, maybe even elite units that you created for them.

 

[Jawz II]

i agree with ADHHH if u r going to hit a city with crap units make sure u have enough to finish the job,or u will just make their crap regular units promoted to elite

this can be used the other way around,the other day i used my stack of 8 conscript rifle men to attack vet riflemen,that had been bombarded to redline with cannons

voila!i got 6 regualr riflemen out of it!

awesome!
later some of those got to higher levels,absolutely free + they did some good in my war against the hated babylonians

 

[jb1964]

later some of those got to higher levels,absolutely free + they did some good in my war against the hated babylonians [/B]

Amen brother! Death to the Babylonians!

Each and every game they are a collosal pain in the butt.

 

[truckingpete]

Originally posted by Chieftess
Truckinpete - Whatever you do, don't run for military advisor in the demogame.

That's mean....

Anyway, maybe I should explain the game a little bit more while I played it more...

I am right now researching Replaceable parts....

I din't have any saltpeter..too expensive to trade (I know my trades CT I am the Head of Trade in the Demogame) once it was cheap I built cannons and Calvary like CRAZY!! I use cannons all the time...I use the ships that have bombardment too...So all I can build is Riflemen...

I am at Regent Level...

I am now attacking Germany...VERY ADVANCE!! had bombers and destryers...I captured one city just like that with cannons, Riflemen, they had TOW infratry...I may have the biggest military in the game but, they are all Riflemen and other units..Once I get Replacable parts, I should do a little better....

Continueing game, keep ya posted....