Sumer

[Emperor Xerxes]

Well I didn't know how the hell Sumeria and Babylon would have enough city names to share between them. However, I found this site:

http://www.jameswbell.com/geog004sumeriancities.html

It has lots of Summerian cities, most of which are not in Babylons list. Thus this should be some indication of what the names will be.

I've done a bit of research on Summeria recently. I have come to the conclusion that since they basically invented civilization they more than deserve to be in Conquests. Any Comments on your thoughts about Summeria are welcome.

 

[Xen]

I like Sumeria- in real life, but in the game, there just isnt enough room on the world map for 'em the space would have been better put to use for "classic" African civ, like the Nubians, SOng-Hai, Mali, or Ethiopeans...

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by Emperor Xerxes
I've done a bit of research on Summeria recently. I have come to the conclusion that since they basically invented civilization they more than deserve to be in Conquests. Any Comments on your thoughts about Summeria are welcome.

I think that if Sumer is in, it should replace Babylon.

 

[Wazell]

And since you are called Xerxes the emperor of warlike Persians, adding peaceful Sumerians there will be very appropriate. It's true that they are significant nation from history, and a very good pick just like other Conquests civs. Sumerians were the first civilization along with Egyptians, and were always entirely distinct from Babylonians, who aren't even related to them and flourished in different age, thousand years after the peak of Sumerian culture. Only negative thing is that civs from Middle Eastern region now are a little overrepresented compared to Far East, that has too few civs around. But I can't see why people are complaining about overcrowding some areas in world map... Certainly you aren't playing every game in realistic World Map with 31 civs and realistic starting locations, are you?

 

[pawpaw]

Originally posted by Wazell
Certainly you aren't playing every game in realistic World Map with 31 civs and realistic starting locations, are you?

many play on a world map

 

[Xen]

In fact, now a days I almost exclusivlly play on world maps

 

[spincrus]

To be honest, I use Europa Universalis II (and Hearts of Iron) to play on world maps. I don't like it when I start as the Ottomans and have a single city in Anatolia (not enough room), or European civs only have few cities, whereas the Chinese dominate the world.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I think Babylon uses a large amount of Assyrian cities (although there aren't that many Assyrian cities)

Its a shame because Assyria and Babylon were seperated by natural boundaries and fought many times. The only thing close to Babylon owning Assyrian lands (besides Akkaddia owning them) was a letter sent to Egypt by Babylon saying that they should refuse to see the Assyrians, which were their vassals (this wasn't true, though).

 

[Evie]

My main beef with the existence of Sumer in C3C is that their UU and Leader more or less correspond to havin an english civ with Robin Hood or Ivanhoe as the leader and the "Little John Warrior" as the UU.

It's pretty bad when a civ manage to top BOTH the French (the others tend to have people who, you know, actually were chiefs of state (or at least held the real power in the state : re Bismarck) in recorded history) for worst picked leader (sorry Joan) AND the (won't say Byz...can't say Byz...) Iroquois for worst picked UU.

And I'm insulting the Mounted Warriors and Joan by comparing them to the abherations that are Gilgamesh and the Enkidu Warrior in a supposedly history-based game.

This is civilization, not Age of Mythology.

 

[spincrus]

@Oda Nobunaga: Ditto on whatever you say on Gilgamesh. I'm not really sure about the unique unit though. I mean, the Sumerians weren't a warrior tribe anyway, so I would think it was already a very hard process to actually choose the right UU. And besides, they were mostly "expansionist", I'd say (they had built cities just for the cause of scouting for the well-being of the settlers who moved to further North or East), compared to the surrounding tribes they had back in the 27th century BC.

 

[Smellincoffee]

Didn't the Sumerians also set up far-flung trading posts?

 

[Emperor Xerxes]

The Summerians are certainly worthy, but as has been rightly pointed out Asia is vastly under-represented.
I think there should be more culture groups as well.

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by SpincruS
@Oda Nobunaga: Ditto on whatever you say on Gilgamesh. I'm not really sure about the unique unit though. I mean, the Sumerians weren't a warrior tribe anyway, so I would think it was already a very hard process to actually choose the right UU. And besides, they were mostly "expansionist", I'd say (they had built cities just for the cause of scouting for the well-being of the settlers who moved to further North or East), compared to the surrounding tribes they had back in the 27th century BC.

a sumerian UU is not that hard to come up with- they invented the chariot!- but heres the twist, its a warrior replacement, and looks like this-

 

[kryszcztov]

As the 1st real example of a civilization, Sumer should have been in Civ from the beginning !! I'd say they should be agricultural and scientific, though I'm not sure for scientific ; still, they invented writing, the wheel, mathematics, were the first to erect so great temples... As for a good UU, either a primitive chariot or a primitive form of phalanx...

Sumer is one of my prefered civ (first : Greece from the 5th century BC ). It will be included in good place in my never-to-come scenario !!

 

[Louis XXIV]

Sumerians invented the Phalanx and the Chariot. Their Chariots were pulled by Onagers (Wild Asses) and were more clumsy than later Chariots. Their Phalanxes weren't quite as orginized as the later Greek version (the Hoplite). But these units did exist. I guess you can't represent Phalanxes as the game uses individual soldiers, not formations (example: Legionary, not Legion).

Somebody should have asked why the Sumerians get an Endiku Warrior as their uu in the chat with Firaxis.

 

[Sarevok]

we dont really need to see the sumerians in the game really do we?

 

[Rowain deWolf]

Originally posted by Sarevok
we dont really need to see the sumerians in the game really do we?

Well we don't need to see the Byzantines, Americans , Germans and all the other Civ's neither . We could play quite peacefully if they have just names like Civ1, Civ2,.. etc.

But if this Game should present at least a tiny bit of human civilizations and history Sumer is a must.


rowain


PS.: I find Gilgamesh a very fitting Leader

 

[Emperor Xerxes]

Plus the Sumerians were visited by Aliens.

 

[Xen]

prove it

 

[Louis XXIV]

Does anyone know for sure if he was real or not?