Human Crouton
Prince
- Joined
- Jul 27, 2011
- Messages
- 441
It's okay. They'll fix it in the 2018 patch.
Last edited:
Summer 2017 Patch Notes Discussion
- Thread starter bite
- Start date
It's okay. They'll fix it in the 2018 patch.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
I'm in two minds about this one.....as I can't tell how nuanced it is. For example, if the AI Civ in question is nowhere near winning a victory themselves, then I would argue that they shouldn't give two hoots about the player nearing victory.
Likewise, I hope this doesn't lead to long time allies suddenly becoming hostile....'cause that'd suck, big time.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
Yeah, now lets just hope that the AI will build more air units. In one game, China had several air districts, yet zero air units, so I could easily pwn him with my own air units.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
So did they ever fix the issue with France, where she disliked you for having no spies.....even though she didn't have any yet herself?
Lily_Lancer
Deity
It made one of the best leaders (Gorgo) stronger, while nerfing one of the worst Civs (Kongo).
Since those terrible Egyptian Chariot Archers finally got bonused significantly, now undoubtedly Kongo is the worst Civ.
Since those terrible Egyptian Chariot Archers finally got bonused significantly, now undoubtedly Kongo is the worst Civ.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
I don't like the fact that walls have no maintanence. For some reason that bothers me!
No little boost for France :,( :,( :,(... I haven´t had time to read all of the other specificities of the patch but it looks good beyond that. Boost the Chateau please!
Edit: actually I just saw there was a change... but I didn´t understand it (feel stupid) can someone please explain me what that means?
Edit: actually I just saw there was a change... but I didn´t understand it (feel stupid) can someone please explain me what that means?
Katakanja
Emperor
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2016
- Messages
- 1,258
Well, when you think about it, medieval walls that are still standing in various towns to this day require very little maintenance to keep them up, even though they've been there for several centuries - perhaps its more accurate not to charge gold ingame for them
France got further boosts to their spies, they now get a free one as well.
@Katakanja, didn´t she already have an extra spy? I don´t get it
Katakanja
Emperor
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2016
- Messages
- 1,258
All French spies now start with a free promotion, also the patch made spies quicker to build for everyone.
She used to have the ability to build an extra spy earlier. Now I think she just gets the spy, she doesn't have to build it.
I like a lot of people was worried at the 50% settler "bump" increase.
However I've played about 120 turns and built about 4 settlers. Didn't notice too big a difference (if any). So you won't need to steal every settler/city.
I'm not one for pulling the hood up and doing the maths but this definitely isn't just a flat "settlers are 50% more expensive" as I first read it.
Enjoyed seeing some of the balance fixes for Civs. Been using Egypt and the Maryannu's are very much a viable unit now (still a shame they can't build heavy chariots as well...)
In regards to Kongo they were OP for culture victory before and frankly annoying to play against if you were going for Culture win with their hoarding of GWAMs. I think dropping it to 50% still makes them a strong culture Civ.
The Greek buff was unnecessary. Pericles is going to be IMMENSE now.
Would still be nice if they could make "tall" cities a little more viable (not make it as good as wide but just more of an option if you want to go that way).
However I've played about 120 turns and built about 4 settlers. Didn't notice too big a difference (if any). So you won't need to steal every settler/city.
I'm not one for pulling the hood up and doing the maths but this definitely isn't just a flat "settlers are 50% more expensive" as I first read it.
Enjoyed seeing some of the balance fixes for Civs. Been using Egypt and the Maryannu's are very much a viable unit now (still a shame they can't build heavy chariots as well...)
In regards to Kongo they were OP for culture victory before and frankly annoying to play against if you were going for Culture win with their hoarding of GWAMs. I think dropping it to 50% still makes them a strong culture Civ.
The Greek buff was unnecessary. Pericles is going to be IMMENSE now.
Would still be nice if they could make "tall" cities a little more viable (not make it as good as wide but just more of an option if you want to go that way).
nicki_boy777
Chieftain
- Joined
- Jun 14, 2010
- Messages
- 39
I am not entirely sure I would say fixed but she now loves me for apparently getting myself involved in espionage as much as her. Neither of us have any spies yet as we are way too far from that yet..
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
Yeah, 50% seems excessive. 25% would have been more sensible....and maybe with more ways to boost settler production outside of the Colonization Policy.
Love your avatar, btw. Jenna Coleman is one of my favourite actresses
.
Aussie_Lurker
Deity
I meant active ones, not ones still around in the Medieval EraWell, when you think about it, medieval walls that are still standing in various towns to this day require very little maintenance to keep them up, even though they've been there for several centuries - perhaps its more accurate not to charge gold ingame for them
France got further boosts to their spies, they now get a free one as well.
.
LoneDragon
Warlord
- Joined
- Aug 20, 2016
- Messages
- 207
Slightly weakens the Great Person that gives you instant walls with free maintenance.
Amrunril
Emperor
- Joined
- Feb 7, 2015
- Messages
- 1,239
My feelings about this patch are definitely mixed, but also definitely more positive than my feelings about the last two. The district cost reduction is the most positive, and probably most important change, and I like that they particularly focused on your rarer districts to discourage spamming the same ones in every city. The increase to building cost, though, seems like unnecessary compensation, though given the degree to which production has been dominant over science/culture.
The settler cost scaling change also seems like a positive change- I think it was to easy to spam a lot of settlers at once- this should instead encourage building one or two at a time and developing cities in between. Perhaps just as importantly, it shifts more of the cost of new cities from the "hidden cost" of builders and traders to build up the new city and onto the actual cost of the settler. As for the potential to incentivize aggressive play, I think the solution is to make costs scale with number of owned/settlers/cities rather than number of built settlers.
The smaller changes to individual civs, wonders and buildings generally seem well targeted. I might quibble with some of the precise details (I'd make Spain's trade route bonuses scale better instead of increasing the initial bonus, and I'm not sure what I think of suddenly deciding to make Norway a production civ), but they illustrate that the developers are aware of most of the balance outliers and making serious efforts to fix them. I do think the Greece buff is a bit out of place (Greece was already a mid to upper tier civ, and it seems odd to give the only civ with two leaders a buff that synergizes with one of them but not the other). and that I'd treat walls a bit differently (probably keeping the free maintenance but saving the tourism for a wonder or policy, as well as making civil defense add to walls' defensive bonus instead of replacing it), but on the balance I'm happy with these minor changes as well.
My disappointment though, is with the issues the patch doesn't address. Front-loaded difficulty bonuses still create a massive discrepancy between the difficulty of the early game and the difficulty of the late game. Specialists are still underwhelming, and cavalry units are still dominant over melee units. These are exactly the kind of systemic issues that should be addressed in early patches (so that later ones can fine tune the changes and rebalance individual civs accordingly), and after seeing them persist this long, it seems unlikely that they'll be resolved before the first expansion and uncertain that that they'll be resolved at any point.
The settler cost scaling change also seems like a positive change- I think it was to easy to spam a lot of settlers at once- this should instead encourage building one or two at a time and developing cities in between. Perhaps just as importantly, it shifts more of the cost of new cities from the "hidden cost" of builders and traders to build up the new city and onto the actual cost of the settler. As for the potential to incentivize aggressive play, I think the solution is to make costs scale with number of owned/settlers/cities rather than number of built settlers.
The smaller changes to individual civs, wonders and buildings generally seem well targeted. I might quibble with some of the precise details (I'd make Spain's trade route bonuses scale better instead of increasing the initial bonus, and I'm not sure what I think of suddenly deciding to make Norway a production civ), but they illustrate that the developers are aware of most of the balance outliers and making serious efforts to fix them. I do think the Greece buff is a bit out of place (Greece was already a mid to upper tier civ, and it seems odd to give the only civ with two leaders a buff that synergizes with one of them but not the other). and that I'd treat walls a bit differently (probably keeping the free maintenance but saving the tourism for a wonder or policy, as well as making civil defense add to walls' defensive bonus instead of replacing it), but on the balance I'm happy with these minor changes as well.
My disappointment though, is with the issues the patch doesn't address. Front-loaded difficulty bonuses still create a massive discrepancy between the difficulty of the early game and the difficulty of the late game. Specialists are still underwhelming, and cavalry units are still dominant over melee units. These are exactly the kind of systemic issues that should be addressed in early patches (so that later ones can fine tune the changes and rebalance individual civs accordingly), and after seeing them persist this long, it seems unlikely that they'll be resolved before the first expansion and uncertain that that they'll be resolved at any point.
LoneDragon
Warlord
- Joined
- Aug 20, 2016
- Messages
- 207
I'm incredibly happy about the Restart button and the saving of options...this is going to save me a LOT of time and frustration!
conorbebe
King
Did the Hanging Gardens really NEED a buff? There are plenty of weak Wonders in the game, and I would not consider this one of them.
Disgustipated
Deity
I'm getting quite a bit of bugginess in this patch, I don't have any mods execpt the yet another map mod. I'll have to disable that and see if that helps.
I'm not getting tech/civic popups when they complete, and battle sounds are missing.
Also the exit to desktop bug is still there.
I'm done for the night. Enjoy folks.
I'm not getting tech/civic popups when they complete, and battle sounds are missing.
Also the exit to desktop bug is still there.
I'm done for the night. Enjoy folks.Similar threads
